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Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014
^ Backing this up. If you play for about two hours a day, you can be finished in under a fortnight.

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Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Does X, in fact, mark some sort of spot?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Glazius posted:

Does X, in fact, mark some sort of spot?

It does, for a very obscure sidequest thing that isn't worth it.

Also, do not use the Key of the Lost. It loses you access to the merchant down here who can have very useful stuff.

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014

Glazius posted:

Does X, in fact, mark some sort of spot?

Cythereal posted:

It does, for a very obscure sidequest thing that isn't worth it.

Also, do not use the Key of the Lost. It loses you access to the merchant down here who can have very useful stuff.

It's the other way around.

The Key of the Lost unlocks a door that leads to a decent treasure and the third cylinder of ash right in that area, it's harmless otherwise. The merchant isn't affected by that at all.

The X mark leads to a quest item that is needed for a quest that'll provide yet another item that you might need to continue depending on how you start the endgame. Following through with that quest will indeed disable the merchant. Save that for until you're done with the River Styx area.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

Old Grey Guy posted:

It's the other way around.

The Key of the Lost unlocks a door that leads to a decent treasure and the third cylinder of ash right in that area, it's harmless otherwise. The merchant isn't affected by that at all.

The X mark leads to a quest item that is needed for a quest that'll provide yet another item that you might need to continue depending on how you start the endgame. Following through with that quest will indeed disable the merchant. Save that for until you're done with the River Styx area.

Well, I was going to look for the dang locker, but that will have to wait then.

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014
There's a caveat for the cylinders of ash, too: Turning them in gives a bonus at one point, and you might want to wait with that until you're mostly done with the level-grinding.

E: Also, let me know when I'm being too spoilery, please.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

Old Grey Guy posted:

There's a caveat for the cylinders of ash, too: Turning them in gives a bonus at one point, and you might want to wait with that until you're mostly done with the level-grinding.

E: Also, let me know when I'm being too spoilery, please.

Well gently caress

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Update 81


Well, we ain't touching this then. Not yet anyway.


Let's continue with the exploration.


Isle of the keep, eh? Let's see.



A tropic woman. Not a tropical woman.


Oh well. Could use some more storage. A little bit more is needed.


But how much later would it be?




Nothing we already do not have.


Even this samurai sword.




Yes, that is what storage facilities are for. But WHAT KIND OF THINGS.




none of the keys seem to open this door. Maybe with a knock knock spell. Maybe next time.



Tiny storage island.



Flying on water.It is pretty neat, but the flying carpet logo is not animated.


Well, there is this as well.



That did not work. We need a different key.


A level up! Tinklee has maximum thaumaturgy. Maybe she should become better at theosophy.


And of course I get the moment where the spell was blacked. Oh well. I think it was resurrection.


And Tinklee can become a thief of a bard, which is not ideal. Maybe she should become an alchemist again.



DETPOPE shall become a ranger. Skeleton ranger.


He already had the gear for it.


I still have no idea what this is for. Bah!




Full exploration! Dang river.

And I am an idiot.
I summoned charron.
He mentioned ashes.
I gave him the ashes.
The first one, he gave back gold.
The second, he increased stats.


The third gave a key. He said that he could not take the ashes himself.
So he gave a key.

And I, idiotically, captured the MAP. FOR AROUND 30 GODDAMN IMAGES.
And now I cannot remember the other things done, besides Charron.







But we now have the key of the dead.


And we can use it on that door.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Go back to the merchant lady - her stock resets every time you go talk to her, and she can have some useful gear.

Also word of advance warning: Plot happens in the Isle of the Dead. And there are a few very tough bosses in there.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Heh. It's a keep and they keep things in it.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Update 82


Moving ahead. There must be something in there.



Ominous, innit?



Of course, the key given by Charron works. Hooray.



It is infested with crabs.


That is very underwhelming.






Not a terribad level up, but not ideal either.


But immediatey after that, points in EVERYTHING. That is fantastic.




TINKLEE gets antimagic. Going to be useful



Lots of dead people.





Oh no!




Even if not at full power, DETPOPE carries the fight.








Fairly satisfied, honestly.


Will probably make him a priest again. Can always use more spells.









Advancing. It seems the map is shared with the other crypts.



Hmm, there might be something here.



Uh, Ithink that should be "in memoriam".



Dang, Detpope cannot oneshot these.


Charron gave us the key to return the ashes.
So let's do that.




And the door opens!


Ooooh, spooky.

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014
Luisfe, are you keeping backups of your saves to go back to? There's massive fuckery right ahead.

And, does anyone in our party have the Remove Curse spell? I can't seem to remember.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

Old Grey Guy posted:

Luisfe, are you keeping backups of your saves to go back to? There's massive fuckery right ahead.

And, does anyone in our party have the Remove Curse spell? I can't seem to remember.

Yes, I keep backups, and I do not think I have remove curse on anyone.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
I'm not surprised at the damage Nuclear Blast is doing. If there's one thing Fallout 4 has taught me, it's that giant mutant crabs are very resistant to radiation.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Glazius posted:

I'm not surprised at the damage Nuclear Blast is doing. If there's one thing Fallout 4 has taught me, it's that giant mutant crabs are very resistant to radiation.

He probably cast it at a low power level. Also, Nuclear Blast isn't for single-target damage, its big thing is that it hits every single enemy in the battle.

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014

Luisfe posted:

Yes, I keep backups, and I do not think I have remove curse on anyone.

Good to know you're playing this in a sane way. :) I've spotted at least one cursed item in a character's inventory, and there's more coming up, that's why I asked.


Glazius posted:

I'm not surprised at the damage Nuclear Blast is doing. If there's one thing Fallout 4 has taught me, it's that giant mutant crabs are very resistant to radiation.

Cythereal posted:

He probably cast it at a low power level. Also, Nuclear Blast isn't for single-target damage, its big thing is that it hits every single enemy in the battle.

^ This. Spellcasting is somewhat counter-intuitive: The spells you can select at level-up depend on the magic skills and chosen character class, the maximum casting level depends on the character's level. To cast a massively damaging Nuclear Blast, the character casting it needs to be of a high enough level as well. On top of that, the spell can fizzle, and some enemies can randomly resist it. To use the big nukes more or less reliably, you need at least two characters that are able to cast them.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Update 83


Well, let's go to the Hall of the Dead. It sounds auspicious!




Lots of corpses! But does not seem to have much in the ways of treasure.




Hmmm. What could it be?


Yeeeah, no.
The game has stopped loving around. iT IS serious NOW.


tHAT IS MORE LIKE IT. mUCH MORE LIKE IT.


But I like it here!




Not a bad level up.


That'll work.



Having multiple people that could banish the drat demons will be useful.


THIS is a ridiculous dick move. I could nor find any switches to prevent it.
And this kills detpope.
loving hell.






And after that a LARGE encounter.



The solution was to cast armor shield on Detpope before stepping.
But that still leaves a pretty difficult encounter!


So, reload, rest, try the fight.




Not particularly strong. Dang.







Truly, those are the moves as shown by Travolta. A disco zombie.





Now the zombie is dead. Like disco.
Or is that a thing again? I do not know.






oH WHAT THE gently caress.
My main damage dealers a re the mages!







AND IMMEDIATELY an encounter! What can be done?


Beat the poo poo out of it with everything.




It dies. Again.



The halls of the dead have a lot of dead people.





Dangit!




There may be something here!



And this door.
The key of the damned does not work.

Maybe it is in one of these alcoves.


That will take a while.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
Welcome to Bane of the Cosmic Forge, please enjoy your stay.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Dang, they're really serious about you leaving this place. Those are some brutal set pieces.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Glazius posted:

Dang, they're really serious about you leaving this place. Those are some brutal set pieces.

It gets worse. :v: Consider this a warm-up.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!

Cythereal posted:

It gets worse. :v: Consider this a warm-up.

wat

Ok, dang. This is pretty drat brutal already! And my party is not exactly optimal, haha.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Luisfe posted:

wat

Ok, dang. This is pretty drat brutal already! And my party is not exactly optimal, haha.

Coming up in here is a succession of four bosses who drop some of the best armor and weapons in the game. You want that gear? Fine, but you'll have to pry them off their owners' corpses first...

The Black Knight is, in my experience, one of the most difficult set-piece boss fights in this game. Not that there aren't random encounters (i.e. twisted sylphs and priests of ramm) later on that aren't worse.

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014

Luisfe posted:

wat

Ok, dang. This is pretty drat brutal already! And my party is not exactly optimal, haha.

The party's really LOW level. The game expects you to be level 15 or higher here, and there's an item you haven't found yet (in an unrelated place). This is one of the more prominent spots in the game where prior knowledge is ridiculously useful.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Have been quite busy for the last week. Updates should be resumed on this weekend, if nothing else happens.

Yeah, I said I would be updating more often, but really, last week was fairly crazy, and this week is being kind of hectic as well.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
I thought I would be over with an university course I am taking, but nope that will probably be over this weekend, so still on hiatus because of that.


Also it does not help that the moments where I actually play something are used in warframe instead of this but again, almost done with the thing.

Apparently , my week starting on the 20th will be pretty goddamn hectic as well, but the university coursework will be over by then, so it will be less so than now.

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014
As always, life comes first. Take your time, Luisfe. :)

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Update 84


Wel, I am much less busy now, so, let's continue with this



This is where the game has what we want.



Yup, it seems you are meant to explore every and all drat rooms in the halls. That is quite annoying.




Oh, 4 lords and a new one? Sure, why not.





Well poo poo. That lord is QUITE strong!



So, reloading and trying again.






Oh gently caress NO. Hahaha that is insane.



More like it!






But of course, that is a loving nasty fight.





Like that!
So let's try once more.



What the hell is a Berbalang?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berbalang_(legendary_creature)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e8/Berbalang.JPG/200px-Berbalang.JPG

That is.. quite neat! A weird ugly corpse eating vampire thing.



Oh loving hell.




And resurrection is refusing to work!



But in the end, everything works well!




Hell yes! This is what was needed!





A fairly mediocre level up, but eh, whatever. I will take it.




Aw yeah. Let's advance.




After the previous match? This is nothing.








EEEEEEVIL.



Oh poo poo, I remember the infomercials for those!




And there are two fixed encounters.
They are rear end in a top hat fixed encounters.

Well, the amounts reroll.





And they are guarding passages.





To the North, and to the South. Which passge should be taken first?

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
I've got a good feeling about South.

Also I'm surprised that you still get to Dispel the more powerful undead, in a lot of games, that spell would be completely useless against anything but the trashiest early-game enemies.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

PurpleXVI posted:

Also I'm surprised that you still get to Dispel the more powerful undead, in a lot of games, that spell would be completely useless against anything but the trashiest early-game enemies.

That's what pumping up spell power levels is for. Dispel Undead and Astral Gate are useful throughout the game.

However, if the party had that much trouble with the Insane Skeleton, the four bosses coming up are going to be a doozy and a half...

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
It doesn't seem like we're ready to meet the heart of all evil yet. Generally you get like three powerups to deal with it somehow.

ddegenha
Jan 28, 2009

What is this?!

PurpleXVI posted:

I've got a good feeling about South.

And I say you should go North in accordance with the prophecy.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Update 85


Well, let'S CONTINUE. To the South first.



Demons are easy. And now STERV and Tinklee both can handle them as well. Useful.



A mysterious locked door!



A highlander drow? Whaaat.



tinysan detected something here.



Bah, 3 ghosts? Not a terrible encounter.





And they were guarding a chest




Ghost hands are assholes.







The important bit is the key, surely.



I think I will go for Alchemist.


But Sterv's choices suck!


May go Priest or something similar, at level 9 or so.


Yeah, I do not think that MONMOON will have any changes anytime soon.


SNAKE may become again a ninja! That would be good except that he has no spells worth anything, really.


Tinysan could use more spells too, but he is already a goddamn ninja.


Oooh! A fountain!



And some undead. Bah!






Least bad spell there.






As seen there, it heals EVERYTHING.
Hp, stamina, magic. That is fantastic.


Best fountain ever.



And we already know that she had a thing for snakes.





Harmless skeletons!





See? No biggie. Even though they did hit DETPOPE


3 turns. Bah.





And now time to go NORTH.



Hmm, maybe the Knightly key we found will open this?








Anti magic sounds like a good choice.


That is a bit ominous...





Well, this seems fairly incomplete so far.

hong kong divorce lunch
Sep 20, 2005
Ohh I remember this part now. Good job Lusife, you are doing well for a blind playthrough. Not done yet, though. ;]

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
What, a fountain that just heals everything? In this game I would expect it to start some sort of countdown to sudden, instant death or similar suffering.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

PurpleXVI posted:

What, a fountain that just heals everything? In this game I would expect it to start some sort of countdown to sudden, instant death or similar suffering.

You're expected to need it in this area. The Guardians are no joke, especially the black knight and the samurai.

Glazius
Jul 22, 2007

Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.

Clapping Larry
Oh, walk into the incomplete tomb. What's the worst that could happen?

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Glazius posted:

Oh, walk into the incomplete tomb. What's the worst that could happen?

Probably time to go ahead and mention this: coming up in the relatively (depending on how well the party handles the Guardians) near future is a major plot decision that will affect what endings to this game are possible and whether you need to fight the final boss. Odd as it seems for a game like this, it's not hard to talk down the final boss and bypass the incredibly irritating fight.

In the not too distant future, Luisfe, the party will be given a silver cross and told it will protect the party from something. It will. However, doing so also locks you into fighting the final boss and makes you miss out on an incredibly potent item that's guaranteed to import into Crusaders. This item is incredibly unintuitive to obtain, but fortunately you've got a couple folks in the thread who know what to do.

So in summary:

Keep the cross

+ Protects you from a rather nasty encounter
+/- Forces you to fight the final boss
- Miss out on the best defensive accessory in the series

Drop the cross

+ Get the best defensive accessory in the series
+/- Lets you skip the final boss
- Forces you through a rather nasty encounter

Old Grey Guy
Feb 12, 2014
Lack of prior knowledge really fucks you over in this series, even more than other games from the time.

Luisfe
Aug 17, 2005

Hee-lo-ho!
Update 86



Let's see what we can do now.


There are more bones to be disturbed!





Which means more keys.




And more and more.



Not a terrible level up.



Shiitty goddamn spell for the level up though. Better than nothing even though air is by FAR THE SCHOOL LEAST USED by Tinklee.
Or anyone anyways.






Is drow a generic term? Or is this infringement.

Or what.


Tinklee's change options are not the best.


We got the Drow key so







This is a new sprite.
Also, highlanders? Isn'tthat, like the opposite of drows.
I thought they were underground elves. Or at least that is what was shown in Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.









That is not a good thing!





Quite useful against multiple groups.



The extras are not very strong.




But spells make up quite a bit for weakness of the physical skills.






None of those seem like, special/story items. Dang.





Does not seem to be anything special in theroom.









Well shitfuck that is a goddamn gigantic set of groups.
And it is static. Gonna run away.





Well this ought to be easier.





Well now.
With that name and being a valkyrie, I did NOT expect them to use the amazon sprite.







Uhhh.



They are DANGEROUS.






And they gave a LOT of xp. That is a good thing.




This sounds important! (it is not)



Level up!





And of course, CANNOT loving use the elven bow.


Fuuuuuuuuuck. Elf only.



And this is Valkyrie only.


Well, this will have to work. Lots of NUCLEAR BLASTS.



Huh, they are SPIRITS.
That means they are undead.
Hell, aren't all of these undead.




And skeleton!




Yes! It worked!





Took a shitload of spells though!





Why the hell did I repeat this







Sounds like good armor



DETPOPE needs a new class now.



I do not think we have any key for this.



God drat it.
Fighter, Valkyrie and Lord only.






The king aint dead then.


Oh come on.
This ain't a challenge.




Oh well.




How spoopy.




A bat!


The bat has not attacked yet. This is special. Hmm.



Caught mid transformation!




He is a man of wealth and taste?



Well.




No reason to lie I guess.





Well, it is a fight now.




Oh boy.





Nothing hits him.






poo poo.

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IthilionTheBrave
Sep 5, 2013
Well, the various class specific weapons these guardians are dropping certainly explain why everyone was stressing having a Lord, Valkyrie, and Samurai in an endgame party. I'm assuming those are ultimate or penultimate weapons for those classes. I'm also assuming that the one that was unfought drops a Samurai only katana.

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