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Doctor Butts posted:You must not be actually reading these posts because not one person is supporting either Banner or Lombardi. I did say media and fans in general. I wasn't responding to anyone in this thread.
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redshirt posted:
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Feb 11, 2014 18:27
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wilderthanmild posted:Out of date by over a year. Would be a near full time job to keep this picture up to date.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:29
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Bigass Moth posted:Practically everyone was on board with the Chud hire, and his firing was a huge disappointment that was obviously wrong that day and even more so now. Are you sure about that? The whole coaching situation seemed toxic. Chud and Turner were apparently getting in a lot of arguments and Horton was constantly taking digs at Chud before the season even started. It seems like a good idea to clear house in those situations. If the head coach can't even get his coordinators on the same page how can he get a roster of 53 players on the same page on game day?
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Feb 11, 2014 18:29
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I honestly don't know if Lombardi and Banner were terrible or, more importantly, would continue to be terrible in the future. I know they hosed up the coaching moves this offseason but one would hope that wouldn't come up again for at least 3 years. But I do know this is going to affect players' decisions to sign with the Browns. TJ Ward and Alex Mack both said so when they fired Chud. Will dumping Banner and Lombardi help or hurt? I don't know, I'd be inclined to say hurt; players' agents will see the Browns as in constant upheaval and recommend to their players that they go somewhere stable. I think it does matter how the franchise looks to others, fans and media but more importantly players, and I can't imagine this is helping with the Browns' image, which at this point is below "peak Al Davis" and "Scott Pioli" and quickly approaching "McDaniels" and "Zorn running the swinging gate"
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Feb 11, 2014 18:30
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con posted:Are you sure about that? The whole coaching situation seemed toxic. Chud and Turner were apparently getting in a lot of arguments and Horton was constantly taking digs at Chud before the season even started. It seems like a good idea to clear house in those situations. If the head coach can't even get his coordinators on the same page how can he get a roster of 53 players on the same page on game day? Wow.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:31
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There were some rumors of arguments. That doesn't mean firing a coach after one year, in which you are openly and blatantly rebuilding, is a good idea. It's extremely demoralizing to players and puts everyone on edge. Calling for your less good starting players to be cut is also extremely demoralizing and is a flashing neon sign to impending free agents: DO NOT COME HERE BECAUSE WHEN YOU gently caress UP YOU'RE GONE. Oh and firing Chud said the same thing to coaches, which explains why we managed to hire our like 8th candidate.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:33
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What did I say that was off base?
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Feb 11, 2014 18:34
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Doltos posted:I have a wealth of experience with assembling contracts, payment terms, headhunting, and buying subcontractor services, plus I look at the draft a lot and wouldn't mind moving near Cleveland. Wonder if the Browns are hiring for CEO... You sound kind of over qualified.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:34
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Wasn't Norv all sorts of pissed that they fired Chud or was that a false report?
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Feb 11, 2014 18:35
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con posted:What did I say that was off base? The damage they've done to the franchise this offseason is miles beyond the damage Chud was doing even if he was arguing with Turner and Horton weekly, which I have never heard claimed. So, most of what you said
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Feb 11, 2014 18:36
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This whole thing reinforces my belief that Banner and Lombardi sold Haslem on the Chud firing by saying they'd replace him with McDaniels. So they get raked over the coals for firing a (probably at least somewhat) competent coach, they get turned down by the guy they wanted, and their eventual hire more or less took the job because "meh, why not." So Haslem is fed up, and also Banner is an rear end in a top hat, so Jimmy says "gently caress it" and does what he probably should have done instead of firing Chud.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:36
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Rap posted:Jimmy Haslam is the worst owner in the league by a mile these days. It's pretty hard to believe he was a minority owner of the most stable franchise in the league before going to Cleveland and turning out this joke of a franchise. I'm really sad for my mom I am too, but not because of the browns.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:37
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Rap posted:The damage they've done to the franchise this offseason is miles beyond the damage Chud was doing even if he was arguing with Turner and Horton weekly, which I have never heard claimed. So, most of what you said Did you ever listen to Horton talk to the media? He was constantly blaming everything on the offense even though his unit was giving up game winning drives week after week.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:37
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He's a great, hard, tireless worker, our fans are very passionate, the Republican Guard is holding the line against the invading US forces.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:46
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The thing is all of this upheaval and the perception that the Browns are a loving mess hamstrings Ray Farmer. Let's set aside RB since they have such a short shelf life and consider OG. We could use a new starter at right guard. Let's take Jon Asamoah just as an example, he's 25. The standard offer to a free agent would be what, four, five years? In other words, a prime free agent like Jon is looking at his next contract as truly the prime of his career. How in God's name would he choose to spend it with Cleveland, the franchise whose longest-standing front office member is Ray Farmer, who has been here like 55 weeks total? How much more per year would that take, to bring Jon to Cleveland as opposed to the...well the 27 or 28 teams with better player rosters and the 31 teams with more stability in the front office and coaching staff? I think all this upheaval has cost us two or three years of equal footing with other NFL teams in free agency. We better draft like geniuses to get ourselves back on track because we aren't signing too many useful players.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:54
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Rap posted:The thing is all of this upheaval and the perception that the Browns are a loving mess hamstrings Ray Farmer. Let's set aside RB since they have such a short shelf life and consider OG. If you start winning (or even treading water) and offer big fat contracts, everything else will fall into place
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Feb 11, 2014 18:56
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Declan MacManus posted:If you start winning (or even treading water) and offer big fat contracts, everything else will fall into place *Jimmy Haslam dashes to whiteboard, writes START WINNING in the center, circles it*
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Rap posted:The thing is all of this upheaval and the perception that the Browns are a loving mess hamstrings Ray Farmer. Let's set aside RB since they have such a short shelf life and consider OG. It will be interesting to see what happens. The subtraction of Banner and Lombardi though might make the team look more appealing for people wanting to come here. I guess we'll find out in March when Free Agency starts.
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Feb 11, 2014 18:57
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Sorry that I was rude earlier. I was angry at Jimmy Haslam, not you
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If it helps any Asamoah has some history with Farmer and might like him, since he was part of the crew that drafted him and all. The Chiefs probably shouldn't let him get to free agency though.
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Rap posted:*Jimmy Haslam dashes to whiteboard, writes START WINNING in the center, circles it* I think it's a good strategy even if it goes against established Browns orthodoxy
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Feb 11, 2014 19:07
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Declan MacManus posted:If you start winning (or even treading water) and offer big fat contracts, everything else will fall into place The problem is that they will have to offer bigger contracts than other teams though, and it is pretty obvious why that is a problem as well. Rap posted:*Jimmy Haslam dashes to whiteboard, writes START WINNING in the center, circles it* Chichevache posted:"Where do you think you need the most improvement?"
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Feb 11, 2014 19:09
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Part of the reason Cleveland is such an unattractive destination is because they lose a ton; one season of ~.500 ball and no major changes in the FO will do wonders for convincing players to come E: fwiw I think the roster that the Browns have is capable of 8-8 or better if coached properly and kept away from the Colt McQuarterbacks and Old Man Weedens of the world
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con posted:Did you ever listen to Horton talk to the media? He was constantly blaming everything on the offense even though his unit was giving up game winning drives week after week. Uh, what? You think a defensive coordinator is going to say his coaching is the problem? The Browns lost a lot of games because they had lovely QBs. The defense was a strong point, though yes they had bad moments and some underwhelming players, every loss I can think of can be planted squarely on the offense.
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Declan MacManus posted:Part of the reason Cleveland is such an unattractive destination is because they lose a ton; one season of ~.500 ball and no major changes in the FO will do wonders for convincing players to come Honestly they could have gone 9-7 last year if Hoyer hadn't gone down.
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Bigass Moth posted:Uh, what? You think a defensive coordinator is going to say his coaching is the problem? I think the offense bears most of the blame, but I didn't think the defense was really that good. Third downs and red zone our play calling was atrocious Fortunately it doesn't matter now because it is almost entirely a different team out there.
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Waitwait wait... So Joe Banner is going to stick around for the draft and then be fired? Why would he care about having a good draft at all? Why not just fire him now before he can do more damage to the team???
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 Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 13h Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam would welcome LB Michael Sam even though he's gay http://dlvr.it/4vMznF quote:"Absolutely we would welcome Michael Sam to the Cleveland Browns organization if he can help us win games and he's the right football player for this team,'' Haslam said in a statement provided by the Browns. "We are intent on creating an environment that is supportive, accepting and respectful of individual rights and differences." Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot 3h #Browns blockbuster announcement: Ray Farmer promoted to GM, Joe Banner to step down as CEO, GM Michael Lombardi to leave team.
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We don't just need a QB. Need WR's too. Need some fix-ups to the offensive line as well. On the Defensive side, our pass rush was non-existent for most of the season and it was just a matter of time before the secondary lost a step. The LB's weren't incredible either. I think they have a long way to go to be 8-8.
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Doctor Butts posted:We don't just need a QB. Need WR's too. Need some fix-ups to the offensive line as well. You sort of have a QB though in Hoyer. Or at least he seems worth another shot to see what he's got. That said I'm gonna laugh when Farmer trades up in the draft to snag Johnny Manziel.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:30
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Somehow that trainwreck press conference from last month has become funnier.
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Feb 11, 2014 19:35
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Haslam's and Farmer's corporate pseudo-babble is my favorite part about all this. This is how you build a football team boys. STREAMLINING!
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Chichevache posted:You sort of have a QB though in Hoyer. Or at least he seems worth another shot to see what he's got. Hoyer seems to be the type of guy who's an average QB. He's a good guy you play while the rookie is on the bench. I don't think the team is terrible per say, just again at least needs average QB play. You get that? You're at least 8-8.
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Toymachine posted:Haslam's and Farmer's corporate pseudo-babble is my favorite part about all this. This is how you build a football team boys. STREAMLINING! Sounds like the Browns' FO is extremely proactive and working on an entirely new paradigm.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Hoyer seems to be the type of guy who's an average QB. The team wasn't bad on paper last year the way things are going right now they are going to lose all their key FAs this year. All the while good luck bringing in new FAs. Also it looks like the draft this year is being setup up to fail for the Browns as well. It's very possible the Browns could totally implode next year.
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HappyHelmet posted:The team wasn't bad on paper last year the way things are going right now they are going to lose all their key FAs this year. All the while good luck bringing in new FAs. Also it looks like the draft this year is being setup up to fail for the Browns as well. It's very possible the Browns could totally implode next year. I keep hearing they'll franchise Ward. Ward is also interested in staying here it appears. He's done a lot of local appearances in the past few weeks, and has said as much on twitter. Mack is gone, but I'm not sure there was much you could do with him. The rest? Are either bad, average or can be easily replaced. Cundiff is a FA, but he's very pro-cleveland, and I think he'll come back.
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HappyHelmet posted:Also it looks like the draft this year is being setup up to fail for the Browns as well. What does this even mean? 
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