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con posted:What does this even mean? Aren't Banner and Lombardi still doing the draft this year? I thought I saw that mentioned earlier. Having a lame duck GM/President assisting in the draft is just asking for trouble.
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Banner's still around, but I believe Lombardi is out.
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You have to imagine Banner is only still here in name, he can't possibly have any power or say over anything. Or maybe he does since it's the browns.
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If he doesn't have any input, why keep him specifically for FA and the draft? Why not just fire him now?
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SlipUp posted:If he doesn't have any input, why keep him specifically for FA and the draft? Why not just fire him now? Probably to handle delegation of the financial and contractual stuff.
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SlipUp posted:If he doesn't have any input, why keep him specifically for FA and the draft? Why not just fire him now? Maybe they're using his draft board.
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Declan MacManus posted:Maybe they're using his draft board. He's agreed to bring the beer
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Azhais posted:He's agreed to bring the beer His draught board?
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I'm starting to think Jimmy Haslam has NO idea what the word "continuity" means.
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Kalli posted:Probably to handle delegation of the financial and contractual stuff. It just seems like if you're going to fire a guy because Peyton Manning warned you that you would never succeed with him, maybe keeping him around for the most vital parts of the offseason would by extension also be a not good idea. If he's delegating financial and contractual stuff he probably still has the final word, right? If you're trying to fix your image problem to attract more FAs having the official stance be that he's only going to be around long enough to handle your contract would only hinder that.
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Mac Tonight posted:I'm starting to think Jimmy Haslam has NO idea what the word "continuity" means. Clearly in this case it's the ongoing ability to make consistently bad decisions
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Harlock posted:Haslem runs press conferences like a UPS logistics commercial Starring Chip Kelly?
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I don't know much at all about Banner, but firing Lombardi was at the very least justified. I wonder if we will ever really know why it went down like this. Haslem is probably just scrambling for control of anything at this point...
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Now that Banner's gone, NFL beat writers will have to find a different Anonymous NFL Executive to quote for all of their rumors
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smuggler posted:I don't know much at all about Banner, but firing Lombardi was at the very least justified. I wonder if we will ever really know why it went down like this. Haslem is probably just scrambling for control of anything at this point... I doubt there is much to the story actually. Haslam was bogged down in legal trouble, and just went with whatever Banner/Lombardi told him because he had other poo poo to worry about. With Haslam not paying attention Banner went full rear end in a top hat, likely spent his time undermining everyone else, and making life difficult for everyone under him. Meanwhile Lombardi was an idiot trying to create Patriots 2.0, and doing dumb stuff like leaking info on social media.
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I'm still surprised this happened but it absolutely needed to. Banner and Lombardi were NFL jokes before they found a new shot at being awful and promptly showed why they were jokes to begin with. I didn't really think that rumor CONCEDE broke on Twitter a week or two ago was legit but here we are. I actually didn't hear about this till just now so I need to catch up on all the likely able to safely assume reasons this happened.
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I don't get where people think this will HURT the Browns getting/keeping FAs. Banner and Lombardi were/are reviled across the league by players, executives, coaches and owners alike. They were going to be far more of a negative than changing them out after a year. Haslam was absent most of the season because of his damage control needs with the Pilot situation. The Browns insider Lane Adkins noted Haslam had to step back long before the season even started because trying to unfuck himself and Pilot was of far greater import than being involved with the Browns. When Haslam has more time available to him and comes back to the Browns, do you know what he found? A completely loving broken and toxic business, top to bottom. If you think it was just problems on the field or among the coaches, you're wrong. As soon as Banner and Lombardi came in, every aspect of the team's business became tainted and polluted. They are absolutely horrible people to work for and around. All of this was repeatedly discussed by various Browns sources since they came in. Add to the fact that both Banner and Lombardi are confirmed and well-known sources of leaks, petty grudge-bearing backstabbers and general incompetents, and its a very good thing they were fired. When you have two known horrible factors there, its not bad they were fired after a short period. What is bad is Haslam hiring them in the first place. That is where the mistake lies, not trying to ride them out awhile longer just to save face on having rapid shakeups. Based on what sources close to Mack and Ward have been saying the past couple months, ditching the morons will actually help them be more willing/wanting to come back here without tags. Remember the reports that Banner and Lombardi were openly mocked/treated badly by their fellow front office types when they were all gathered together?
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I think you really have to try to retain talent at this point as much as you can. I'd sign Ward to a deal and see if you can get this done. I'm not sure how that goes about, but I think he's your priority because I think he's more likely to say yes to his "Hometown" team. Mack? Ideally I'd prefer to have Ward signed to a deal and Mack franchised. You at least want to quit creating holes on this team and making it all the more difficult to build something here. If you can delay filling that hole for a year, that will help quite a bit. Goal number 1 is to get a Quarterback. Get one that can win games, can make plays, and in general look the part of a guy that would make the cover of a Gatorade bottle. If you do that? Everything else this season is bonus.
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Can't believe anyone has faith in Haslam after this.say no to bats posted:When you have two known horrible factors there, its not bad they were fired after a short period. What is bad is Haslam hiring them in the first place. That is where the mistake lies, not trying to ride them out awhile longer just to save face on having rapid shakeups. quote:Based on what sources close to Mack and Ward have been saying the past couple months, ditching the morons will actually help them be more willing/wanting to come back here without tags.
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Rap posted:Can't believe anyone has faith in Haslam after this. Ian Rapoport @RapSheet 2h Positive for #Browns: Much better chance of retaining star C Alex Mack. He’ll still test FA. With old regime, he was gone. Could be back now e: Mack seems to be the one that'll be more difficult to reel in. Ward I think you've got a chance. You don't shoot local comedy bits with the intent of going "gently caress THIS PLACE". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sWB9QAfG7o FuzzySkinner fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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If I were a free agent, there's no point in this entire saga where I have positive interest in joining the Browns.
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Farmer already hired his assistant GM who supposedly also has a good reputation: Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter 2h CLEV hiring former Chiefs VP of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich to assist new Browns GM Ray Farmer, per sources. They worked together in KC. Retweeted by Orange and Brown Rpt Scott Fujita @sfujita55 4m Cleared out 2 impediments to progress, IMO. Makes Browns a more desirable location now. @dutey12 View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite Retweeted by Orange and Brown Rpt Scott Fujita @sfujita55 12m Bill Kuharich joining Browns is a great hire. Like I said earlier, the timing of all this seems bizarre. But Browns got better today. Bigass Moth fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 11, 2014 |
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I can't wait till Farmer is fired after the draft.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Mack? Ideally I'd prefer to have Ward signed to a deal and Mack franchised. You'd prefer paying your center like an elite left tackle?
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NC-17 posted:I can't wait till Farmer is fired after the draft. Mid-draft, announced by a lucky contest winner!
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midwat posted:Mid-draft, announced by a lucky contest winner! "In the 4th round of the draft, the Cleveland Browns...tell Ray Farmer to pack his poo poo and get the gently caress out."
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midwat posted:Mid-draft, announced by a lucky contest winner! 
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This is a good thing and I'm not really upset. It really seems like the firing of Chudzinski and the clusterfuck of the coaching falls on Banner. There have been countless reports that Banner was hard to work with, didn't approach vets about extensions, was generally a dick. These in a vacuum didn't necessarily make him a bad exec but it did sour relationships with a myriad of people which made him a bad exec. The leaks of him calling for cuts mid-season are the dumbest loving thing ever, if true. From the start Lombardi's "GM" title seemed in name only and he filled a role closer to a player personnel director (from what I could tell, at least) so him being ousted doesn't seem like a loss as Banner was the real GM. Also, gently caress Ryan Mallet. This really doesn't read like "lol browns" to me (I mean, yea, It does but...not in the same way). The coaching search was peak "lol browns" but this seem like Haslam was misled by Banner, either about Chud, the presumed public reaction, or a guaranteed coaching hire that withdrew. After the fallout of the coaching search I think Haslam realized that Banner was running a clusterfuck so he cut him, which I applaud. It does show instability, no doubt but Farmer has been here for a year, Pettine seems average, Scheiner hasn't really made a brilliant/terrible decision yet. What I'm getting at is the Browns may have Brownsd (lol) backwards into a decent situation. C'mon guys! Load the shotgun of optimism, put it in your mouth, and pull the trigger! That's Browns Football.
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Has there been one coach or GM that came back from TV who was successful? I can't think of any.
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commy gun posted:Has there been one coach or GM that came back from TV who was successful? I can't think of any. Doc Rivers had a TV stint in between Orlando and Boston
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Dick Vermeil.
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FizFashizzle posted:Dick Vermeil. He was great at both! Also, Marty. He didn't win a title, but he came drat close with the Chargers.
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I love these stupid little tidbits: Peter King: In the last 14 months, the Cleveland Browns have employed 56 coaches.
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Woah woah woah, does that include like assistants and waterboys and poo poo, or have the Browns actually completely replaced their entire staff like 3-4 times in less than a season and a half?
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The 3 staffs one. 14 months would cover Shurmur's staff, Chud's, and now Pettine's.
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The stat they kept on repeating on ESPN Radio was the 3rd HC and 3rd GM in 407 days.
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Bigass Moth posted:Farmer already hired his assistant GM who supposedly also has a good reputation: The Lions have done some good drafting with him there, too.
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