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Is Sonic: Lost World on 3DS finally the same game as the console original, or is it another bait and switch to try and capitalize on the better game? I'd like to get it, but there's no way I'm buying a Wii U on my budget.
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Heroic Yoshimitsu posted:Do people actually not like the lyrical Sonic songs from the 3D/Modern era? They are all pretty much amazing. The rap stuff is somewhat saved by it's jazz influence, and some of the remixes are good (I actually like the City Escape classic mix in Generations), the biggest problem is they kind of came out of nowhere and felt like a marketing department's superficial idea of "gamer music." Like, all of Sonic's themes from that period make me think someone openly opined in an office around 1999 that gamers sit in darkened bedrooms listening to Sum41 so the soundtrack should sound like that. And I guess a lot of them did, but the ones that didn't rolled their eyes pretty hard. The Grimace posted:Is Sonic: Lost World on 3DS finally the same game as the console original, or is it another bait and switch to try and capitalize on the better game? I'd like to get it, but there's no way I'm buying a Wii U on my budget. The Wii U game is bad, if anything the 3DS game is the better one. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Feb 25, 2014 |
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Feb 25, 2014 22:06
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The Grimace posted:Is Sonic: Lost World on 3DS finally the same game as the console original, or is it another bait and switch to try and capitalize on the better game? I'd like to get it, but there's no way I'm buying a Wii U on my budget. I've never seen anyone in the Lost World thread defend the 3DS version.
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Feb 25, 2014 22:08
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Baltazar Robotnik posted:I've never seen anyone in the Lost World thread defend the 3DS version. Excuse me for being dense, but that can be taken either one of two ways: 1) It's so bad that no one will defend it 2) It's so great that there is nothing to defend Unfortunately, I'm leaning towards the first option, unless I am proved wrong.
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Feb 25, 2014 22:25
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The Grimace posted:Is Sonic: Lost World on 3DS finally the same game as the console original, or is it another bait and switch to try and capitalize on the better game? I'd like to get it, but there's no way I'm buying a Wii U on my budget. Whilst the Wii U version is generally considered a mix bag, though one I'd still recommend where possible (even if say, waiting for a cheaper price), the 3DS version is one that gets even less love, especially with regards to levels reliant on tilt controls. It is at least still a decent looking game though. ChaosArgate posted:Wait, they're replacing Tails' voice again? Would seem so, yes. Which... kind of confuses me, I'll admit. Also Eggman is apparently going to be quite generous with lasers, at least when there's the threat of his lab going kaboom.
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Feb 25, 2014 22:56
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Craptacular! posted:The Wii U game is bad, if anything the 3DS game is the better one. I didn't know a human being was capable of this opinion
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Feb 26, 2014 00:15
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The Grimace posted:Is Sonic: Lost World on 3DS finally the same game as the console original, or is it another bait and switch to try and capitalize on the better game? I'd like to get it, but there's no way I'm buying a Wii U on my budget. Let me say it straight, 3DS version is straight up dogshit. The engine is fine for what it is, but the level design... ughhhh.
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Feb 26, 2014 00:17
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Amppelix posted:Let me say it straight, 3DS version is straight up dogshit. The engine is fine for what it is, but the level design... ughhhh. Okay, thanks. Really wish they'd step up their game with their 3DS version games now since Wii U sales are so bad right now. Granted, better games are more incentive for people to actually buy the system, but still.
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Feb 26, 2014 00:30
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The Grimace posted:Okay, thanks. Really wish they'd step up their game with their 3DS version games now since Wii U sales are so bad right now. Unfortunately, SEGA doesn't really handle those versions, those are left to DIMP, who've been the sort of go to for SEGA's Sonic side games for years now, and generally are considered to have gone down in quality over time. Mind you, I actually like the Rush series, but then, that was effectively their own thing they got to do, rather than a tie in to anything else. Should paint an interesting picture though, come Sonic Boom's release, since its a new team for the 3DS as well as the Wii U version.
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Feb 26, 2014 00:34
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Friendly Factory posted:I didn't know a human being was capable of this opinion I didn't spend enough time with it, but know that it was no Generations or Colors. Basically, I own a 3DS and played enough of the 3DS game to be okay with it, but I don't own a Wii U at all and was mostly going of heresay. My plan for Sonic Boom is "hope Wii U fails so hard that it gets a PlayStation copy."
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Feb 26, 2014 00:49
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KittyEmpress posted:graphcs still look really bad. Like, Gamecube era textures bad. Everything is so flat and bright that it makes it look like they're giant plastic toys. ...That's the art style. I don't think it looks bad but yeah it's subjective I guess.
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Feb 26, 2014 04:40
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Craptacular! posted:I didn't spend enough time with it, but know that it was no Generations or Colors. Going by hearsay the 3DS version is really bad compared to the Wii U version.
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Feb 26, 2014 10:45
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Astro Nut posted:Would seem so, yes. Which... kind of confuses me, I'll admit. It's actually pretty simple: Tails' voice was pretty bad in Colors, Generations and Lost World and should be replaced.
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Feb 26, 2014 11:05
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In my opinion Sonic Dash is pretty fun, even with only 3 zones and 2 bosses. There's a really easy global event right now and if you rush you can still win Rouge for free in it. Am I the only human being that enjoyed Sonic '06?
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Feb 26, 2014 12:08
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Popukonu posted:In my opinion Sonic Dash is pretty fun, even with only 3 zones and 2 bosses. There's a really easy global event right now and if you rush you can still win Rouge for free in it. You mean ironically or legitimately? I'm kinda on both sides, when it came out I legitimately enjoyed it because I was a stupid kid who ignored all of the flaws, but these days I enjoy seeing it break internally/the players.
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Feb 26, 2014 12:28
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ChaosArgate posted:You mean ironically or legitimately? I'm kinda on both sides, when it came out I legitimately enjoyed it because I was a stupid kid who ignored all of the flaws, but these days I enjoy seeing it break internally/the players. You can say I also enjoyed it as a stupid kid, but isn't that how it works for every nostalgic game we enjoyed ever? (Except super metroid, that poo poo is always good)
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Feb 26, 2014 12:32
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Popukonu posted:In my opinion Sonic Dash is pretty fun, even with only 3 zones and 2 bosses. There's a really easy global event right now and if you rush you can still win Rouge for free in it. Nice try, alien, but no one who's truly human enjoyed Sonic 06
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Feb 26, 2014 12:33
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Nice try, alien, but no one who's truly human enjoyed Sonic 06 I should probably go back to the conspiracy forums.
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Feb 26, 2014 12:35
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Honestly though I did enjoy parts of 06 at the time. A lot of it was me trying to convince myself I was having fun but when it worked now and then there were sections of levels I didn't hate. But a lot of my tolerance came from the fact that I wanted it to be good so badly.
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Feb 26, 2014 12:41
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Honestly though I did enjoy parts of 06 at the time. A lot of it was me trying to convince myself I was having fun but when it worked now and then there were sections of levels I didn't hate. But a lot of my tolerance came from the fact that I wanted it to be good so badly. I found Silver to be pretty loving badass, even with them weird brain powers, but that's when I completely lost track of the story.
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Feb 26, 2014 13:07
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I'm in the 'I liked parts of Sonic 06, but found most of it bad' camp. Silver's gameplay was actually kinda interesting as long as you weren't in the sections clearly intended to be shared with Sonic or Shadow, and well, Shadow's story is actually relatively good, especially considering its not his 'main' plot in the franchise either. And as a kid and now, some of the levels are at least interesting style. But a lot of it just falls apart in the overall execution, from some really weird framerate issues - which whilst I thought were cool as a kid, I now know those were not a feature - to the mach sections and their infuriating difficulty to control, and of course the various little subquests with their loading screens for one line of dialogue. For me, its the video game that comes to mind if I ever want to demonstrate the difference between ideas and execution. Because honestly a lot of the ideas behind Sonic 06 are good - some very good, like the basic idea why Silver and Sonic are at odds - and at times it does show in the final product, but most of the time it falls short of what it could have been. Definitely can't argue against the soundtrack though, that was gorgeous.
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Feb 26, 2014 13:45
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I can't say I liked Sonic '06 or Heroes at all, but there were parts of Shadow the Hedgehog that were almost fun. That Tron level was kinda cool. Shadow is a pretty loving terrible game but at least it's better than Heroes and '06 in my book. I can at least think of a few positive things to say about it that isn't about the music.
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Feb 26, 2014 14:07
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Should we consider Sonic music being fantastic a good point when discussing the merits of some titles? Fantastic Sonic music is kind of the gold standard so saying that the music is good doesn't really seem like it's saying much at all.
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Feb 26, 2014 14:58
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Craptacular! posted:The rap stuff is somewhat saved by it's jazz influence, and some of the remixes are good (I actually like the City Escape classic mix in Generations), the biggest problem is they kind of came out of nowhere and felt like a marketing department's superficial idea of "gamer music." *Sigh* If only marketing departments understood our rich and diverse ~Gamer Culture~ and stopped pandering to stereotypes.
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Feb 26, 2014 19:46
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ChaosArgate posted:Should we consider Sonic music being fantastic a good point when discussing the merits of some titles? Fantastic Sonic music is kind of the gold standard so saying that the music is good doesn't really seem like it's saying much at all. Effortpost incoming: Sonic soundtracks (and honestly, many not-jrpg game soundtracks) are something that get glossed over frequently, especially in how way they influence the feel of the game. Jen Senuoue (also guitarist for Crush 40, which I did not know) started working with Sega since Sonic 3, but I think his influence is mostly felt from every game since Sonic Adventure all the way to Shadow the Hedgehog, ending with Sonic and the Black Knight; namely, synth beats and electric guitar, like a more updated 80's rock ballad. It's when Sonic Unleashed was made when Tomoya Ohtani took over, with more orchestral, string-oriented music. The change of composers also reflected a major change in the design philosophy of the games; for example, take these two tracks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDsGxivYRnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Alclgb-aSIM Shadow The Hedgehog was probably the height of Sonic Team going to the furthest extreme in making Sonic relevant to the Counterstrike/Halo crowd that had been cropping up by 2005, though Sonic '06 was their biggest technical failing. But the music is consistent with anything from Sonic Adventure, even though it lacks the variety of level-specific themes a la Casinopolis's Vegas suite. Meanwhile, the themes since Sonic Unleashed have all been more upbeat, more ska, more "anime pop," less dense and heavy. Every game with Jun Senuoue (with maybe the exception of Black Knight) was really involved with bringing Sonic into a realistic human Earth, which was how they built most level designs; with realistic structures set in wierd-to-impossible land formations. Sonic Unleashed was really a reboot of the Sonic franchise, brushing the slate clean with cartoon humans, 2d-to-3d platforming, and an opportunity to do whatever the hell they wanted to (an Eggman amusement park only lasted one level in Shadow, rather than being the basis for an entire game). Finally, for research I just looked back at Seven Rings and Black Knight, and Sonic Team were really just
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That loving Sned posted:New video with Sonic Boom gameplay and behind the scenes stuff: "Ah, that's so alternate dimension me" Eggman continues to be the best part of anything. 
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Feb 26, 2014 21:40
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Sonic '06 would have probably been at least decent if it were given six more months of development. I mean, the hedgehog bestiality would still be loving weird, but the game would function. Then again, it's rare that we get a game this bad. It's pretty glorious to watch. On the subject of Silver, I'd be totally okay with a game that expands on his gameplay. Of course, assuming it'd work.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:*Sigh* If only marketing departments understood our rich and diverse ~Gamer Culture~ and stopped pandering to stereotypes. Early 90s Sonic was a reflection of mainstream American pop culture in general, though. It had that subtle environmental theme that was hip at the time, the trippy worlds and checkerboard islands that made the world look like the Saved By The Bell introduction or something. It was timely. Those early games had some widespread appeal that was lost by focusing so hard on teenage boys with anime-esque villainy, cities exploding, and pretty much everything related to Shadow. Making it kind of worse was that people who were children during the time of classic Sonic were just leaving their teens when he became cartoon edgyness. I was, like, ten when the first Sonic game was launched. I was 18 when Sonic Adventure launched. By the time Shadow appeared with his dark background, his gun, and his conspiracies that go all the way up to the fictional President, I was old enough to roll my eyes at such concepts being in a Sonic game. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 26, 2014 |
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Feb 26, 2014 22:06
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Craptacular! posted:Early 90s Sonic was a reflection of mainstream American pop culture in general, though. It had that subtle environmental theme that was hip at the time, the trippy worlds and checkerboard islands that made the world look like the Saved By The Bell introduction or something. It was timely. Those early games had some widespread appeal that was lost by focusing so hard on teenage boys with anime-esque villainy, cities exploding, and pretty much everything related to Shadow. Sonic the Hedgehog is like the 90s personified. 
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Butt Ghost posted:Sonic '06 would have probably been at least decent if it were given six more months of development. I mean, the hedgehog bestiality would still be loving weird, but the game would function. Then again, it's rare that we get a game this bad. It's pretty glorious to watch. Ironically, making sonic 2006 "function" would probably make it worse. Just how loving broken the code is leads to all sorts of glitches that let you skip the entire game and otherwise make it your bitch, as well as more schadenfreude humor from the game randomly glitching in new and terrible ways. Six months of work would probably fix a lot of this, and then you're stuck with beasiality and really long and boring levels.
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Feb 26, 2014 22:14
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I like the character redesigns and I have hope for a Sonic game for the first time since 1994. Swole rear end muscle bro Knuckles owns.
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Feb 26, 2014 22:38
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Next-Jin Engine posted:Effortpost incoming: I really like this post, but its this part in particular I kind of want to bring up. Both 06 and Unleashed make use of Orchestral sounds, but the ultimate result for most of the game is quite different. Sonic 06' soundtrack is very much an epic fantasy kind of soundtrack, wanting the player to take the game seriously, though it has a few exceptions. A lot of the music in Sonic Unleashed meanwhile, is more upbeat and feels more like its in a constant motion - just as Sonic is getting in an extravagant sightseeing tour of the globe, so are we as we rush through the daytime levels. The werehog levels are slower and bring in jazz, the nighttime beats and reflecting the slower pace of the adventure, sneaking around (till a fight starts anyway).
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So I guess I lucked out and got the Special Edition of Sonic Lost World, so that's really cool. I hadn't realized an extra-level came with it so finding that out was a nice surprise. Other first impressions from starting this up is that I think this game is giving me massive Sonic Adventure vibes, especially considering the last few Sonic games have had this fun 'gotta go fast' running mentality (which is perfectly fine with me, I adored Sonic Generations) but this one seems like I have "control" of Sonic again and in that way it just feels a lot like Sonic Adventure. I'm really into it so far and I'm just so excited to continue in with it. Also, Sonic's blue arms are weird but that game will probably be okay. Hopefully they get some McDonalds toy deal or whatever and get some cash out of it? EDIT: Oh man, Desert Ruins Zone 1 is amazing. Grandpa Goodtimes fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Feb 28, 2014 |
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Grandpa Goodtimes posted:Also, Sonic's blue arms are weird but that game will probably be okay. Hopefully they get some McDonalds toy deal or whatever and get some cash out of it? We can only hope the results will be as high quality as their last deal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Q0_DgXHG0 
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robot roll call posted:This will always be my favorite youtube video, forever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybeI4MTwtpo Sorry, this is better.
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VJeff posted:It's actually pretty simple: Tails' voice was pretty bad in Colors, Generations and Lost World and should be replaced. A replacement? I think I know just the guy!
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Pigbuster posted:A replacement? I think I know just the guy! He sounds like Catbug from Bravest Warriors; I had to check they weren't played by the same voice actor. Also, can we get some kind of Donald Trump themed mod for Sonic Adventure 2?
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We would have to go beyond making The Eggman into The Donald, we would have to go all the way to Romney Adventure 2.
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I beat Sonic Lost World. Haven't got all the Red Rings but I hear that just gives me Super Sonic so I'm not that concerned. I have to say, the game was a ton of fun, well worth the price. I even almost liked the Snowball section. Overall, really a fun game and I'm glad I picked it up. I would definitely revisit it in the future.
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Gamasutra had an interview with Bob Rafei. Some of it we've heard before, but there's other stuff, like comparing it to... Phineas and Ferb. I suppose Perry the Platypus wouldn't be too out of place in Sonic.
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