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ThinkTank posted:At least looking at the Canucks draft doesn't make me wince a year later. That's a first. the trick is to look at mike williamson and ask, as any good person did at the time, "who the gently caress is this and why are you wasting assets on him" i like to think the williamson pick was the final straw in their western scouting Verviticus fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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Verviticus posted:the trick is to look at mike williamson and ask, as any good person did at the time, "who the gently caress is this and why are you wasting assets on him" Gotta have at least ONE smartest guy in the room pick a year. It's an improvement from 4 in 2012 (although Hutton seems to have turned out alright).
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I've been watching alot of the AHL games that Texas plays in on that hockey webcasts site and various other places, because the Texas Stars are a pretty awesome team. They take over 60% of the shot attempts in AHL games, which places them about 4 or 5% to the north of dominant NHL possession clubs like Los Angeles and Chicago. So basically you can count on them a) outshooting the opposition by a wide margin most nights and b) often scoring a ton of goals. If I remember correctly they've recorded 6 goals in a period on two seperate occassions this year, and they probably have played more games this year when they've scored 5 or more goals than games in which they were held to 2 or less. Unfortunately they have the tragic flaw of terrible goaltending holding them back from running away with the league, as top prospect Jack Campbell has been injured all season long leaving the job to less capable candidates. Most nights the players more than make up for those deficiencies as noted above - Texas has 2 of the top 3 point scorers in the league and 4 of the top 9, including leading AHL rookie point scorer Curtis McKenzie. When we last left off Texas had beaten the conference leading Abbotsford Heat 7-2 in a game that was over by the 5 minute mark of the 1st period, be sure to catch the Stars top scorers Travis Morin and Colton Sceviour in action tonight in the AHL all star game 
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Morin and Sceviour can't get to the NHL full time fast enough. I've also been watching a bit of the baby twinkles, and holy hell what has happened to Nihlstorp? He couldn't square up to a cubicle.
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Vicas posted:Saunders/Therien supremacy, the Flyers' radio broadcast was pretty much my gateway back into hockey back in 2011 Yes sir. It's all the more fun now because Therien has completely dropped any sense of subtlety or tact. Dude gives zero fucks and it's hilarious. EDIT This is right where it vanished
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Texas also has former Saskatoon Blades and kinda-plays-like-Malkin-but-isn't-as-good Matej Stransky who is good and awesome and I won't hear otherwise.
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Guignol posted:Hockey Webcasts is a fairly comprehensive source to stream radio for almost every North American team from the NHL, AHL, ECHL, WHL, OHL, and QMJHL. Great link, thanks a lot.
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Verviticus posted:the trick is to look at mike williamson and ask, as any good person did at the time, "who the gently caress is this and why are you wasting assets on him" Mike Williamson owns though Penn State
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does he actually own? i havent heard a thing about him and he was supposedly injured for a while so he just vanished, but there's zero hype or feedback and i cant blame people not caring when he had like 2 points in a 30 games as an overager in a 2nd tier league vvv horray! Verviticus fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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I was just pimping penn state I actually look for him tho next game. Just for you
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DOOMocrat posted:Morin and Sceviour can't get to the NHL full time fast enough. I've also been watching a bit of the baby twinkles, and holy hell what has happened to Nihlstorp? He couldn't square up to a cubicle. well Morin is already 30 so it is unlikely that he has much of a future in the NHL, but Sceviour deserves a spot on our 3rd / 4th line starting now. It seems like NHL GM's are coming around to giving these types of guys depth minutes instead of some thug or a 20 year old kid who isn't ready, so maybe Morin will have a shot with somebody else. Of course if he stays in Texas and leads the league in scoring for the next 3 or 4 years that's fine too. It will be interesting to see if or when Curtis McKenzie and Brett Ritchie get a look. You had the feeling it was going to happen sooner rather than later when Dallas was in their slump, but now it looks like that might get put off until next year. Starsfan fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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DJExile posted:Yes sir. It's all the more fun now because Therien has completely dropped any sense of subtlety or tact. Dude gives zero fucks and it's hilarious. I knew exactly what this link would be before you posted it. Therien is like a Philly homer version of Don Cherry and Saunders seems to deal with him really well. I like the way they work together (he says in the minor league thread)
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Verviticus posted:does he actually own? i havent heard a thing about him and he was supposedly injured for a while so he just vanished, but there's zero hype or feedback and i cant blame people not caring when he had like 2 points in a 30 games as an overager in a 2nd tier league Oh yeah I saw Williamson play quite often in the AJHL for Spruce Grove (as big of factory of college talent as there is in Canada). He's a pretty tall guy and stood out for his physical play in a league full of overage dudes willing to play physical, but the scoring numbers obviously aren't very impressive. It's always hard to judge guys who are 17 years old in that league though.
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Starsfan posted:Oh yeah I saw Williamson play quite often in the AJHL for Spruce Grove (as big of factory of college talent as there is in Canada). He's a pretty tall guy and stood out for his physical play in a league full of overage dudes willing to play physical, but the scoring numbers obviously aren't very impressive. It's always hard to judge guys who are 17 years old in that league though. The odds of a defenceman making the NHL if they have below .4 PPG in the CHL is practically nil. The idea that players can somehow be effective because of physical play and positioning is antiquated, and the lack of points is usually indicative of the fact that they are simply not talented enough for the pro game. Williamson is not going to ever have a sniff at the NHL, and that was evident on the day we drafted him. I guess I'm just sorta opposed to drafting players who'll cap out at a shorter version of Andrew Alberts if absolutely everything goes to plan. If you're going to take a guy who's been passed over twice before, at least take the guy who's an unquestioned star in his league, not some lumbering #4 type. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Feb 12, 2014 |
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ThinkTank posted:The odds of a defenceman making the NHL if they have below .4 PPG in the CHL is practically nil. The idea that players can somehow be effective because of physical play and positioning is antiquated, and the lack of points is usually indicative of the fact that they are simply not talented enough for the pro game. Williamson is not going to ever have a sniff at the NHL, and that was evident on the day we drafted him. Yeah I agree, definetely a long shot at best. All I'll say is that Williamson did stand out as being a faster / more skilled player for his age than most people in that league, so it wasn't a surprise for him to go play US college hockey. That's pretty much all you can predict for AJHL players though, it's super rare that anyone who spends any length of time in that league actually makes the NHL. I mean most of the NHL allumni from that league in the last decade are guys who played like 3 games as a 16 year old affiliate player and then went on to play in the WHL.
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ThinkTank posted:Counterpoint: Barrie is a dump and no one should ever go there. I said like the Colts, not the city (and hey, its better than Peterborough).  DJExile posted:ahahahahaha that rules. What the hell caused all this? Decent import player that didnt have proper papers to pass the border for games against Plymouth/Eerie. Snuck him across in the baggage compartment of the bus. Funniest part is that wasnt even the worst or craziest part of the 99-00 Colts. - 3 players charged with sexual assault - one player got a 25 game suspension for swinging a stick at the head of another player - David Frost and his 4 clients, known as the "Frost Boys", basically tore the team apart internally, leading to many players asking to be traded - if Frost's name rings a bell, its because one of those 4 players was Mike Danton. Yes, conspiracy to commit murder Mike Danton - tons of on ice and off ice fights, disrespecting the media, other players and coaches, and even Colts fans Junior hockey can be just as entertaining as pro hockey. 
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Some updates made to the OP including a short FAQ section. Additional contributions welcome.
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I don't know much at all about the SPHL, USHL or ECHL, but I can post some maps and talk about two leagues I sometimes attend games of! I'd like to know a bit about the LNAH. NAHL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAHL  The North American Hockey League is a Junior AA league, owned by insane midwestern businessmen and sanctioned by USA Hockey. Was mostly a central time zone league until Eastern expansion from teams moving leagues after USA Hockey committed a little harder to helping run its development programs and merging with the America West Hockey League it quickly sprang up to be one of the top American junior leagues, and as one of the more successful junior league draws in terms of revenue at the gate. Pour one out for the Texas Tornado and hometown boy Tommy Train. That 05-06 team is the most fun I've had with a minor team, with Lyon Messier beating the poo poo out of EVERYONE over how mad he was to not be an NHLer. CHL (lol): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Hockey_League  Sorry to make you remember, but do you remember Slap Shot 2? Where Gary Busey had plans for his own centrally owned hockey league? Well, the Central Hockey League is a lot like that except it had more coke in it than NHL dressing rooms in the 80's, failed miserably and lost a ton of teams. gently caress the Laredo Bucks, the Allen Americans are what happened after Stars alumni decided to enter the local market, the Dallas Freeze/Fort Worth Fire rivalry games was my first exposure to hockey and that was a very charged atmosphere, and I love it to death despite not really having a cheering interest out of my dislike for Allen. The current Fort Worth team is, unless I have been quite fooled, still suspended from the league as they do not have an arena. So the owners bought another team and moved to the arena they played in before, voided their CHL contracts and suspended their franchise. The Central league is nuts. Fire/Freeze games got SO out of hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jwI8VyPxL8 DOOMocrat fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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Is there anyone else that likes the London Knights in SAS, or am I all alone? I know plenty of you hate them...
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Is there anyone else that likes the London Knights in SAS, or am I all alone? I know plenty of you hate them... London is the Pittsburgh of the OHL. Youre either a fan or you want to see the team burn.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Is there anyone else that likes the London Knights in SAS, or am I all alone? I know plenty of you hate them... just by virtue of canucks prospects i guess i have to like either the otters or the knights or both
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Is there anyone else that likes the London Knights in SAS, or am I all alone? I know plenty of you hate them... They had some neat plays in the Memmer last year and their opener vs the Blades was some awesome hockey so I don't mind them much but also, I hate them for being good? Guignol made a great sign that got a wicked photo when the Blades scored their goal. He should post it.
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Boomer The Cannon posted:Is there anyone else that likes the London Knights in SAS, or am I all alone? I know plenty of you hate them... Mike McCarron is on the Knights. I check in from time to time to see how many PIM he's racked up.
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I go to a lot of Bulldogs games and at the start of the season they sucked, then people thought they were good, and now we're certain they suck. Much like the Habs.
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Furnaceface posted:London is the Pittsburgh of the OHL. Youre either a fan or you want to see the team burn. Aren't they also considered to be near-transparently corrupt with paying players under the table?
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Furnaceface posted:- In 18 years in the OHL they have only missed the playoffs once (this year will make twice, unless Kingston decides to poo poo the bed)
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ThinkTank posted:Counterpoint: Barrie is a dump and no one should ever go there. e: basically it's a poor man's Kelowna, which is a poor man's Whistler, which is a dumb man's Revelstoke. Rene Rancourt fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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Hand Knit posted:Aren't they also considered to be near-transparently corrupt with paying players under the table? Yep. Im having a hard time finding that big article the Toronto Star (I think) ran when the story broke, but basically they were going over to Russia and paying players under the table to gently caress with the import draft so that they had a better chance of getting them.
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DOOMocrat posted:I don't know much at all about the SPHL, USHL or ECHL, but I can post some maps and talk about two leagues I sometimes attend games of! I'd like to know a bit about the LNAH. Don't know if this is just internet dyslexia, but you do have to be careful, the LNAH is a semi-pro league in Quebec that is the final resting ground for fine French-Canadian goons of marginal talent, with a willingness to commit several major penalties in a game.
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Just got back from a Victoria Royals vs Tricity Americans WHL game. The Royals, despite being indisputably better (3rd in the conference vs 8th, 5 drafted players plus two projected highly in 2014 and 2015 vs 1 drafted player for Tricity) were outshot 39-28 and got a win in OT that they probably didn't deserve. Anyway, good game, and I paid $6 for seats in the sixth row.
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Oh and with that win the Royals clinched a playoff spot. On February 12. At least one of my hockey teams is good...
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The other thing you get, especially in the AHL, is the local hero phenomenon. By their nature, AHL rosters turn over quickly. If guys are languishing in the AHL, they're gonna bolt when their contract is up. But, for those who are great AHL players, but are just a little too slow, short, whatever, to crack the NHL full time, if they stay in one place long enough, they become intensely popular. Back in the 80s and 90s you had guys like Jody Gage in Rochester, and Mitch Lameroux in Hershey, more recently you've had players like Denis Hamel in Binghamton- guys who have talent, but for whatever reason, they have hit their ceiling, and because they stay around, they become hugely loved. Further, AHL development really doesn't seem to skew with NHL success- when the Devils had their great run of the mid-late-90s and 2000s, their farm teams, with the exception of one year were almost uniformly terrible. As a little illustration, here are the Stanley Cup matchups since 2000, and the farm-system matchups in the AHL's Calder Cup Finals: 2000- NHL: New Jersey over Dallas, AHL: NY Rangers over Buffalo 2001- NHL: Colorado over New Jersey, AHL: Calgary over Pittsburgh 2002- NHL: Detroit over Carolina, AHL: Atlanta over NY Islanders 2003- NHL: New Jersey over Anaheim, AHL: Minnesota over Montreal/Edmonton 2004- NHL: Tampa Bay over Calgary, AHL: Nashville over Pittsburgh 2005- NHL: Season Not Played, AHL: Philadelphia over Atlanta 2006- NHL: Carolina over Edmonton, AHL: Washington over Nashville 2007- NHL: Anaheim over Ottawa, AHL: Montreal over Washington 2008- NHL: Detroit over Pittsburgh, AHL: Atlanta over Pittsburgh 2009- NHL: Pittsburgh over Detroit, AHL: Washington over Vancouver 2010- NHL: Chicago over Philadelphia, AHL: Washington over Dallas 2011- NHL: Boston over Vancouver, AHL: Ottawa over Minnesota 2012- NHL: Los Angeles over New Jersey, AHL: Tampa Bay over Toronto 2013- NHL: Chicago over Boston, AHL: Detroit over Tampa Bay Even considering that the AHL can throw up Finals matchups that can't happen in the NHL, there's not a lot of crossover. I think the last NHL/AHL double was New Jersey and Albany in 94/95.
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And while I'm (not) triple-posting (thanks Kwik), the mascot of the Royals is a Vancouver Island Marmot, an endangered species, called Marty. It's a pretty cute mascot idea. Why's he in white instead of home darks? Because the Royals had more success early on the road so have worn their road jerseys at home for most of the season. Whatever works...
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a false posted:isn't it marty the marmot who got murdered (not literally murdered) by some guy who was mad about losing musical chairs? or is there a different marty the marmot out there somewhere No that's the same mascot. Someone threw him on the ice. I suspect the guy who did it thought he was just being funny but of course throwing someone in a mascot suit on the ice when you don't know if there's any padding around their head is pretty dumb. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1z_aqnMCY
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That's not "trying to be funny" that's like a full on powerbomb. (Or as powerbomb as some irate sore loser can get.)
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I thought the WHL still went with home whites and away darks? Also did Jesse Astles fight anyone? 
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Pleads posted:I thought the WHL still went with home whites and away darks? No, no one fought anyone. And from some googling you might be right - though I'd swear the Royals wore their darks at home at the start of the season. e: and based on the photos on their website (against two different opponents) I'm not wrong that they wore the darks at home early. But it seems whites at home is standard for the league. Weird. toe knee hand fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Feb 13, 2014 |
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DOOMocrat posted:CHL (lol): Hey! How can that league be a joke when they have an Olympian! ... on team Norway It's Ødegaard who plays on Missouri Mavericks
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