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Feminition
Mar 14, 2008

To me,
my X-Men.


this is a totally legit article that reveals the fundamental differences between men and women based on factless assumptions that are totally a science. there are many like them out there.

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There are obvious evolutionary reasons why men and women would have different approaches when it comes to sex; why a man who behaved in a certain way might expect to have lots of descendants, but a woman who behaved the same way would not. Men and women are similar in many ways, but they are usually different in one: their sexual organs. We should not be surprised if they also have different psychological systems to determine how they use those organs.

Dr Diana Fleischman, an evolutionary psychologist at the University of Portsmouth, puts it simply: “If a man has sex with 100 women in a year, he might have 100 babies. If a woman has sex with 100 men in a year, she might have one baby and a very sore bottom.” This is due to what is called the “obligate parental investment”: a man’s minimum investment towards a child might be a couple of minutes’ work and a teaspoonful of sperm; a woman’s minimum investment is nine months of pregnancy and a painful and potentially dangerous labour – and that’s before the question of who raises the child is addressed.

itt post your favorite evolutionary psychologists that u know / your views on how women are babymakers and men are hookers

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satanic splash-back
Jan 28, 2009


I'm going to punch you in the babymaker OP.

Fagmaster
Aug 21, 2004



even parapsychology has better theories than this poo poo

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012



pop psych filtered through mass media sucks. legit evo psych owns tho.


Yellow Jackson
Jan 13, 2013

by Ralp


Women have small brains and love shiny things because they evolved from magpies.

El Belmondo
Apr 3, 2011

by XyloJW


GOT A EXTRA TITTY posted:

I'm going to punch you in the babymaker OP.

5-HT
Oct 17, 2012



GOT A EXTRA TITTY posted:

I'm going to punch you in the babymaker OP.


Feminition
Mar 14, 2008

To me,
my X-Men.


GOT A EXTRA TITTY posted:

I'm going to punch you in the babymaker OP.
no

i need that for evolution

GODSPEED JOHN GLENN
Apr 27, 2010

I put up my thumb... and it blotted out the planet Earth.



Yellow Jackson posted:

Women have small brains and love shiny things because they evolved from magpies.

Yeah, but I'm a dude who has a small brain and loves shiny things. What gives?

uG
Apr 23, 2003

they knew


women evolved from mans rib bone

El Belmondo
Apr 3, 2011

by XyloJW


GODSPEED JOHN GLENN posted:

Yeah, but I'm a dude who has a small brain and loves shiny things. What gives?

evolutionary mistake, happens every once and a while

Slipknot Hoagie
Jan 5, 2004



What's your lifting regimen like? I do mostly compound exercises such as bench press, squats, and deadlifts.

plain blue jacket
Jan 13, 2014


GODSPEED JOHN GLENN posted:

Yeah, but I'm a dude who has a small brain and loves shiny things. What gives?

No you are a magpie I am glad we could clear this up

Yellow Jackson
Jan 13, 2013

by Ralp


GODSPEED JOHN GLENN posted:

Yeah, but I'm a dude who has a small brain and loves shiny things. What gives?

A hosed up life awaits you.

Swamp Fancy
Apr 6, 2003

Look, I'm not exaggerating when I say the success of your mission hinges on how you use that cardboard box.

what's this got to do with pokemon

Irish Joe
Jul 23, 2007

Come on Abed, let's spoon in the Gluon Chamber.

Swamp Fancy posted:

what's this got to do with pokemon

Pokemon have sexes, too, even though they lack genders.

Feminition
Mar 14, 2008

To me,
my X-Men.


Swamp Fancy posted:

what's this got to do with pokemon

Swamp Fancy
Apr 6, 2003

Look, I'm not exaggerating when I say the success of your mission hinges on how you use that cardboard box.

Irish Joe posted:

Pokemon have sexes, too, even though they lack genders.

sounds german

McSlaughter
Sep 12, 2013

"Kill white people and get paid for it? What's not to like?"


Did you know that a byproduct of our social evolution is that we can't poop our pants voluntarily? Go ahead, try it now!

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012


Sociobiology, the most ethical anthropology.

http://anthroniche.com/darkness_documents/0246.htm posted:

"I soon learned that I had to become very much like the Yanomami to be able to get along with them on their terms: sly, aggressive, and intimidating," Chagnon writes in his famous study Yanomamo: The Fierce People. This was not the usual stance toward fieldwork in the 1960s, when the anthropologist already enjoyed the protection of the colonial masters. Chagnon was working in the Amazonian Wild West, populated by small, independent and mobile communities in uneasy relations of alliance and hostility that could readily escalate to death by poisoned arrow. Moreover, when Chagnon began to collaborate with biological scientists, his fieldwork became highly peripatetic itself, and highly demanding of the Yanomami's compliance. By 1974, he had visited 40 to 50 villages in less than as many months, collecting blood, urine and genealogies--a tour punctuated by stints of filmmaking with the noted cineaste Timothy Asch. Hitting-and-running, Chagnon did fieldwork in the mode of a military campaign.

This helps explain why many other anthropologists who have done longer and more sedentary work in particular Yanomami villages, including former students and colleagues of Chagnon, have disavowed his one-sided depiction of the Yanomami as "a fierce people." "The biggest misnomer in the history of anthropology," said anthropologist Kenneth Good of Chagnon's use of that phrase in the title of his popular textbook.

Good and other Yanomami specialists make it clear that the supreme accolade of Yanomami personhood--the term waiteri that Chagnon translates as "fierce people"--involves a subtle combination of valor, humor and generosity. All of these, moreover, are reciprocal relations. One should return blow for blow, and Chagnon is hardly the only male anthropologist to get into dust-ups with Yanomami warriors. But according to his own account, while Chagnon readily joined the negative game of holding one's ground, he knowingly brought contempt on himself by refusing to be generous with food. Continuous food-sharing is a basic criterion of humanity for Yanomami, the material foundation of their sociality.

Needing blood and information quickly, Chagnon would announce his visits to a village in the guise of a Yanomami warrior: dressed only in loincloth, body painted red, feathered--and carrying a shotgun. His field kits have been known to contain chemical mace and an electric stun gun. He tried to cultivate a reputation for dangerous magical power by engaging in narcotic shamanistic seances. When someone stole from him, he got children to inform on the thief; then he returned the favor by carrying off the latter's hammock until he got his stuff back. But when it came to the reciprocity of food sharing, he protested that he could not feed the whole village. On the contrary, he disgusted curious Yanomami by telling them the canned frankfurters he was eating were animal penises, and peanut butter likewise was just what it looked like. Unselfconsciously, he acknowledges that his unwillingness to share food generously or widely made him "despicable in their eyes."

"The next morning," he writes, "I began the delicate task of identifying everyone by name and numbering them with indelible ink to make sure that everyone had only one name and identity." Chagnon inscribed these indelible identification numbers on people's arms--barely 20 years after World War II.

But he indeed had a delicate problem. He badly needed to know the people's names and their genealogies. This information was indispensable to the AEC biological studies. He was also engaged in an absurdist anthropological project, which he took seriously, of finding ancestor-based lineage institutions among a people who by taboo could not know, could not trace and could not name their ancestors--or for that matter, could not bear to hear their own names. To utter people's names in their presence is the gravest offense, a horror: "In battle they shout out the name because they are enemies." As for the dead, they are completely excluded from Yanomami society, ritually as well as verbally, as a necessary condition of the continued existence of the living. But for the sake of science, Chagnon had to know--and so set in motion an opposition between their humanity and his epistemology that developed progressively through his professorial career.

Chagnon invented draconian devices for getting around the name taboos. He exploited animosities within the village to induce some people to tell on others. He "bribed" (his quotation marks) children to disclose names when their elders were not around. Most productive of all, he went to enemy villages to get people's genealogies, and then confirmed the information by seeing if they got angry when he recited the names to their faces. By the early 1970s Chagnon had collected some 10,000 Yanomami names, including 7,000 names of the dead. It must have caused a lot of pain and hate.

Collecting names and blood was destabilizing not only for the insults it required, but because Chagnon was buying these with large payments of machetes, axes, utensils and other steel trade goods. These were prize objects of Yanomami desire, but not simply because of their economic advantages. The history of native Americans is too often written as if there had to be a white man behind every red man. Incorporating the foreign technology in their own cultural order, the Yanomami became the authors of its distinctive historical effects. They placed imported steel in the highest category of their own hierarchy of values, together with their most precious things, a position to which the foreign objects were entitled because of their analogous associations with marvelous powers--in this case, European powers. Surely steel was useful, but its utility was transcendent, beyond the ways Yanomami knew of making or controlling things. And as signs and means of power, the foreign goods were engaged in the fundamental transactions of a native Yanomami system of alliance and competition. They were materials of feasting, marriage payments, trading, making alliances, attracting followers, sorcerizing and much more. More than producing food, trade goods produced and reproduced Yanomami culture, hence every kind of satisfaction the Yanomami know. Accordingly, the foreign goods themselves became objects of native competition--as did their human sources, notably Napoleon Chagnon.

Chagnon was not the only outsider whose distribution of steel goods plunged him in a maelstrom of Yanomami violence, although it's doubtful that any other anthropologist became so involved in participant-instigation. "The distribution of trade goods," as Chagnon observed early on, "would always anger people who did not receive something they wanted, and it was useless to try and work any longer in the village." Yet moving could only generate further contention, now among the villages so favored and disfavored by Chagnon's presence. Hostilities thus tracked the always-changing geopolitics of Chagnon-wealth, including even pre-emptive attacks to deny others access to him. As one Yanomami man recently related to Tierney: "Shaki [Chagnon] promised us many things, and that's why other communities were jealous and began to fight against us."

Movie-making was an additional mode of provocation, especially when Chagnon and Timothy Asch used wealth to broker alliances among previously hostile groups for that purpose. The allies were then disposed to cement their newfound amity by combining in magical or actual raids on Yanomami third parties. Deaths from disease were also known to follow filming, prompting Tierney to observe that Chagnon and Asch were being awarded prizes for "the greatest snuff films of all time."

Over time, the demands on Chagnon's person and goods became more importuning and aggressive, to which he would respond with an equal and opposite display of machismo. ("He glared at me with naked hatred in his eyes, and I glared back at him in the same fashion.") Soon enough he had good reason to fear for his life, by magical as well as physical attack--including the time when some erstwhile Yanomami friends shot arrows into an effigy of him. Yet Chagnon also knew how to mobilize his own camp. Early on, he fostered what was to become a life-long sociology of conflicts whose "basic logic," as Tierney put it, saw "Yanomami villages opposed to Chagnon attacking those villages that received him."

By 1976, however, Chagnon's ethnography had cost him official anthropological support in Caracas, and for nearly a decade he was unable to secure a permit to resume fieldwork. In 1985, when he did return, in the company of one of his students, the latter reported they were greeted by a crowd of Indians shouting the Yanomami version of "Chagnon go home!" In 1989 Chagnon was again kept out because the law required that foreign researchers collaborate with Venezuelan scientists, and, as he complained to a missionary whose help he sought, "the local anthropologists do not like me." Bereft of legitimate support, Chagnon returned in 1990 under the dubious aegis of Cecelia Matos, the mistress of then-president of Venezuela, and one Charles Brewer Carias, a self-proclaimed naturalist, known opponent of Indian land rights and entrepreneur with a reputation for illegal gold mining. The trio had concocted a scheme to create a Yanomami reserve and scientific biosphere in 6,000 square miles of the remote Siapa Highlands, to be directed by Brewer and Chagnon and subsidized by a foundation set up by Matos. According to Tierney, Brewer had his eye on rich tin resources in Yanomami territory. In an intensified repetition of a now-established pattern, the huge amount of goods that military aircraft ferried in for the project helped set off the bloodiest war in Yanomami history, with Chagnon's people pitted against a coalition of Yanomami opponents, directed by a charismatic leader of their own.

In three years, the scheme collapsed. Matos was eventually indicted for corruption, in part for her role in commandeering military support for the reserve caper, and she remains a fugitive from Venezuelan justice. In September 1993, in the wake of huge protests that followed from their appointment as administrators of the reserve, Chagnon and Brewer were expelled from Yanomami territory by judicial decree. (Among the protesters were the 300 Indians representing 19 tribes at the first Amazon Indian Congress, who took to the streets against Chagnon and Brewer in the town of Porto Ayachuco.) An army colonel escorted Chagnon to Caracas and advised him to leave the country, which he did forthwith.

In America anyhow, he suffered no such indignities. On the contrary, the more unwanted Chagnon became in the Venezuelan jungle, the more celebrated he was in American science. The day before his last expulsion from Yanomami land, the New York Academy of Sciences held a special meeting devoted to his work.

In the course of Chagnon's career, the further away he got from any sort of anthropological humanism, the more he became a natural scientist. (This could be a lesson for us all.) Whatever the accusations of ferocity and inhumanity made against his ethnography, he increasingly justified it by claims of empirical-scientific value. So he was able to answer his growing chorus of critics by the scientific assertion that they were "left-wing anthropologists," "anti-Darwinian romantics" and other such practitioners of the "politically correct." One might say that Chagnon made a scientific value of the belligerence in which he was entangled, elevating it to the status of the sociobiological theory that human social evolution positively selects for homicidal violence. Whatever the other consolations of this theory, it brought Chagnon the massive support of prominent sociobiologists. The support remained constant right through the fiasco that attended his attempt in 1988 to prove the reproductive (hence genetic) advantages of killing in the pages of Science.

The truth claims of the argument presented by Chagnon in Science may have had the shortest half-life of any study ever published in that august journal. Chagnon set out to demonstrate statistically that known killers among the Yanomami had more than twice as many wives and three times as many children as non-killers. This would prove that humans (i.e., men) do indeed compete for reproductive advantages, as sociobiologists claimed, and homicidal violence is a main means of the competition. Allowing the further (and fatuous) assumption that the Yanomami represent a primitive stage of human evolution, Chagnon's findings would support the theory that violence has been progressively inscribed in our genes.

But Chagnon's statistics were hardly out before Yanomami specialists dismembered them by showing, among other things, that designated killers among this people have not necessarily killed, nor have designated fathers necessarily fathered. Many more Yanomami are known as killers than there are people killed because the Yanomami accord the ritual status of man-slayer to sorcerers who do death magic and warriors who shoot arrows into already wounded or dead enemies. Anyhow, it is a wise father who knows his own child (or vice versa) in a society that practices wife-sharing and adultery as much as the Yanomami do. Archkillers, besides, are likely to father fewer children inasmuch as they are prime targets for vengeance, a possibility Chagnon conveniently omitted from his statistics by not including dead fathers of living children. Nor did his calculations allow for the effects of age, shamanistic attainments, headship, hunting ability or trading skill--all of which are known on ethnographic grounds to confer marital advantages for Yanomami men.

Supporters of Chagnon, and lately Chagnon himself, have defended his sociobiology by referring to several other studies showing that men who incarnate the values of their society, whatever these values may be, have the most sex and children. Even granting this to be true--except for our society, where the rich get richer but the poor get children--this claim only demonstrates that the genetic impulses of a people are under the control of their culture rather than the other way around. For dominant cultural values vary from society to society, even as they may change rapidly in any given society. There is no universal selective pressure for violence or any other genetic disposition, nor could genes track the behavioral values varying rapidly and independently of them. It follows that what is strongly selected for in human beings is the ability to realize innate biological dispositions in a variety of meaningful ways, by a great number of cultural means. Violence may be inherently satisfying, but we humans can make war on the playing fields of Eton, by sorcery, by desecrating the flag or a thousand other ways of "kicking butt," including writing book reviews. What evolution has allowed us is the symbolic capacity to sublimate our impulses in all the kinds of cultural forms that human history has known.

Jett
Oct 17, 2005

byob.user.js


Jizz Festival posted:

Sociobiology, the most ethical anthropology.

it's unethical of you to expect me to read that poo poo

Swamp Fancy
Apr 6, 2003

Look, I'm not exaggerating when I say the success of your mission hinges on how you use that cardboard box.

Jizz Festival posted:

Sociobiology, the most ethical anthropology.

this definitely has nothing to do with pokemon

illestG
Oct 8, 2009



DNA is nothing more than a program designed to preserve itself.

uG
Apr 23, 2003

they knew


illestG posted:

DNA is nothing more than a program designed to preserve itself.

*gets cancer* I agree

Beartaco
Apr 10, 2007

Nope.


then please do the gene pool a favour and shoot yourself

Maoist Pussy
Feb 11, 2014



Human beings, as children of God, with souls, are not subject to evolution the way animals are.

Lazerbeam
Feb 4, 2011



5-HT posted:

pop psych filtered through mass media sucks. legit evo psych owns tho.

ladyboy pancake
Jan 3, 2008

"Please let this be a normal field trip?"



Jung: Psychology Evolved

Lazerbeam
Feb 4, 2011



Never been a fan of Jung

hemophilia
Dec 28, 2006

My Blood Doesn't Clot


Because God and/or the universe is ironic and hateful, it's going to eventually come out that all the poo poo in evopsych was actually real and they'll be able to verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that your being fat and gay is a result of things wholly out of your control, especially the behaviors and mating choices of your ancestors thousands of years ago. This will mostly be because evopsych is a legitimate field of study and just because lots of weird people with points to prove don't understand and misuse it, real evopsych is probably one of the few fields of psychology that'll ever develop into hard science.

Hope this helps push you closer to suicide as you realize nature is cruel and stupid and not subject to the idealism of anyone who beholds it.

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



Mexican people are crazier and can make better "crazy eyes" because they have human sacrifice in their DNA.

-evolutional psychology scientist Dr. Jordon Peele

Yellow Jackson
Jan 13, 2013

by Ralp


hemophilia posted:

Because God and/or the universe is ironic and hateful, it's going to eventually come out that all the poo poo in evopsych was actually real and they'll be able to verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that your being fat and gay is a result of things wholly out of your control, especially the behaviors and mating choices of your ancestors thousands of years ago. This will mostly be because evopsych is a legitimate field of study and just because lots of weird people with points to prove don't understand and misuse it, real evopsych is probably one of the few fields of psychology that'll ever develop into hard science.

Hope this helps push you closer to suicide as you realize nature is cruel and stupid and not subject to the idealism of anyone who beholds it.

How about berries and the colour pink?

Earwicker
Jan 6, 2003



hemophilia posted:

Because God and/or the universe is ironic and hateful, it's going to eventually come out that all the poo poo in evopsych was actually real and they'll be able to verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that your being fat and gay is a result of things wholly out of your control, especially the behaviors and mating choices of your ancestors thousands of years ago. This will mostly be because evopsych is a legitimate field of study and just because lots of weird people with points to prove don't understand and misuse it, real evopsych is probably one of the few fields of psychology that'll ever develop into hard science.

Hope this helps push you closer to suicide as you realize nature is cruel and stupid and not subject to the idealism of anyone who beholds it.

we are all part of a breeding program to create the fattest gayest human possibly conceivable sometime circa A.D. 2134

Maoist Pussy
Feb 11, 2014



hemophilia posted:

Because God and/or the universe is ironic and hateful, it's going to eventually come out that all the poo poo in evopsych was actually real and they'll be able to verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that your being fat and gay is a result of things wholly out of your control, especially the behaviors and mating choices of your ancestors thousands of years ago. This will mostly be because evopsych is a legitimate field of study and just because lots of weird people with points to prove don't understand and misuse it, real evopsych is probably one of the few fields of psychology that'll ever develop into hard science.

Hope this helps push you closer to suicide as you realize nature is cruel and stupid and not subject to the idealism of anyone who beholds it.

Yellow Jackson
Jan 13, 2013

by Ralp


My ancestors lifted heavy poo poo all day, and now I'm swole. Lamarck Was Right.

El Belmondo
Apr 3, 2011

by XyloJW


hemophilia posted:

Because God and/or the universe is ironic and hateful, it's going to eventually come out that all the poo poo in evopsych was actually real and they'll be able to verify beyond a shadow of a doubt that your being fat and gay is a result of things wholly out of your control, especially the behaviors and mating choices of your ancestors thousands of years ago. This will mostly be because evopsych is a legitimate field of study and just because lots of weird people with points to prove don't understand and misuse it, real evopsych is probably one of the few fields of psychology that'll ever develop into hard science.

Hope this helps push you closer to suicide as you realize nature is cruel and stupid and not subject to the idealism of anyone who beholds it.

fatties were more likely to reproduce a billion years ago hth

Straker
Nov 10, 2005

professional sex-haver


yes everyone is equal and if it werent for white men ruining everything, everyone would have sex with everyone and everything all the time and enjoy it equally without shame


even though it's easy to knock a girl up and just move away and never talk to her again, thus ruining her life while i win by having offspring lol

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007



Fagmaster posted:

even roma fortune tellers have better theories than this poo poo

simple
Apr 11, 2007


itt I learned it doesn't take much to become a professor of psychology at the University of Portsmouth.

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1337JiveTurkey
Feb 17, 2005

Baby, I'm hot, just like your oven...

Straker posted:

yes everyone is equal and if it werent for white men ruining everything, everyone would have sex with everyone and everything all the time and enjoy it equally without shame

even though it's easy to knock a girl up and just move away and never talk to her again, thus ruining her life while i win by having offspring lol

Moving away means that you've got to have some place to move to. By yourself you've got nobody skilled in how to make replacement tools, you're far less effective hunting by yourself, you're vulnerable to predators, you're living on borrowed time. A lone wolf is a dead wolf. Even if neighboring bands don't assume you were kicked out, why would they let you join? Even if you manage to survive you're still not assured of any offspring. If she slept with 2-3 men around the time she got pregnant, odds are you're killing yourself for nothing and the other guys will help raise the kid. If nobody else offers to help, she'll leave the kid to starve to death now rather than a year or two from now.

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