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Fartington Butts
Jan 21, 2007


Feng is a copy and pasted villain from a bad action movie.

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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Loved Season 1, and this one was okay, but beyond FU there probably isn't anything that's going to stick with me for very long. I can name about a dozen things about S1 off of the top of my head that were super memorable to me (last time I watched it was a year ago), and not much from this one. Though maybe that's because I started at 8:00 AM and just finished at 9:00 PM.

Weirdly, if I'm going to remember this season it'll be as one of the strongest pro-marriage arguments I've seen in a long time.

Most memorable moments from S1:
Talk show fuckup
"You oval office"
The Watershed bill failing
Peachoid
Twitter twat
Protestors taking the catered food
Frank getting punched by the union guy
Eating ribs and smearing sauce on the newspaper
"All life is about sex, except sex, which is about power"
11 abortions
The very first scene
I could go on...

Most memorable moments from S2:
Train
FU

We'll see what pops in and out of my head tho... again, not a bad season, and I could still watch it FOREVER because I just love the tone, but basically predictable (nbd) and not as funny, and no huge surprises this time around. Poor Stamper really lost his mojo this time around...

No Wave fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Feb 15, 2014

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

david puddy posted:

Poor Stamper :(

That was a sad story. Handling her was the closest he came to having a personal life, and that put him between a rock and a hard place. Reminds me of that 'No half measures' monolog from Breaking Bad. He kept her perpetually micromanaged, in the dark and freaked out and it blew up in his face.


No Wave posted:

Most memorable moments from S2:
Train
FU

Once it sinks in I bet you'll have more. I'd list all of mine but we're less than 24 hours out and I bet most people in this thread haven't finished yet.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Accretionist posted:

Once it sinks in I bet you'll have more. I'd list all of mine but we're less than 24 hours out and I bet most people in this thread haven't finished yet.
List them! This is a spoiler thread!

I liked Freddy getting pissed off about the peeled linoleum, but it didn't have that totally weird House of Cards "edge" where everything is turned upside down (which is what I missed).


EDIT: I had a "special relationship" with House of Cards season 1. After I finished watching the season I posted a 1436 word post on it. You can see it in the old thread.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Feb 15, 2014

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


david puddy posted:

Poor Stamper :(

Poor Freddy :smith:

The Ninth Layer
Jun 20, 2007

Once it was daytime I knew Stamper was boned. That leaves the hacker pretty hosed too. There's a lot of fires for Frank to put out for next season.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

No Wave posted:

List them! This is a spoiler thread!

Ahh, the hard sell.

In addition to those two, the biggest ones for me were...

Mrs. Underwood threatening to kill an unborn child (and then turning around and cancelling the fertility consultancy)

Her crazy little monolog about visualizing murdering a weaker form of her self which, while about the rape, does seem to be a coping strategy which dovetails nicely with the above.

Freddy walking away from his business with a pained expression.

The ménage à trois

The closing shot

Stamper. :(

Lucas's resigned, "He's going to get away with it."

Jackie's jarring and curt remark, in the middle of a sexual encounter, about how the pain of getting tattooed helped sublimate anxiety over having killed so many people

Claire's bombshell interview

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

The Ninth Layer posted:

Once it was daytime I knew Stamper was boned. That leaves the hacker pretty hosed too. There's a lot of fires for Frank to put out for next season.
Ha. See episode 1 of this season.

Accretionist posted:

Ahh, the hard sell.
Thx.

I also really liked seeing Tom return this season. Can't believe I omitted "Twitter Twat" and "You oval office" from my initial S1 list, maybe my favorites of all.

"You oval office" is, for me, one of the most distinctive House of Cards moments. Tom knows not to say it - you see him weigh whether or not to say it (why the gently caress would he say it???) - Zoe even says "don't say it!" - and then he just says it. It's hilarious. I giggle about it all the time.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Feb 15, 2014

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I loved Zoe's messy hovel of a apartment from season 1.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

No Wave posted:

I also really liked the return of Tom this season. Can't believe I omitted "Twitter Twat" and "You oval office" from my initial S1 list, maybe my favorites of all.

Oh poo poo, I completely forgot about his brief but less-than-useful foray. He had a great little plot. Really sold the feeling of those close enough to know about the murders being too weak to make a difference, and those positioned to make a difference being too far removed.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

etalian posted:

I loved Zoe's messy hovel of a apartment from season 1.
Absolutely. Frank explaining to her why it is important that he has sex with her because it makes him feel like he has control over her while he's having sex with her in that shithole and she turns around afterwards and is like "ok, are we done? Can I get my info now?" Marvelous stuff. There are all these shows where girls who are young and pretty and have ok careers are like "I'm such a loser!" but man she sold it.

Accretionist posted:

Oh poo poo, I completely forgot about his brief but less-than-useful foray. He had a great little plot. Really sold the feeling of those close enough to know about the murders being too weak to make a difference, and those positioned to make a difference being too far removed.
This might be a question of Netflix's format/schedule but they did a great job bringing back/getting rid of characters. While obviously we were all happy to see pregnant woman being disposed of ASAP, the way that Christina basically no longer served a narrative purpose but was still often present (until removed) was a really neat illustration of how Frank really does have to keep bumping into the pawns in his schemes. Such is the beltway. But it wasn't like a roll call of previous characters for no real reason - it felt organic.

EDIT: I'm thinking about taking the brick out of the briefcase again - man, that teacher's union episode has to be best ever.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Feb 15, 2014

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Well this series made quite the entrance.

Like the train entering the station.

Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe
Okay so I watched the first ep and wow. Everyone talking about Claire rape did I miss something or am I just not at the right point? They were having a convo as she railed into bed that I didn't get. The craziest thing that I didn't get until just now that should have been dead obvious is that Claire didn't want to get pregnant, she only wanted to know about the drug to threaten other lady. Man, I'm slow.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Hed posted:

Okay so I watched the first ep and wow. Everyone talking about Claire rape did I miss something or am I just not at the right point? They were having a convo as she railed into bed that I didn't get. The craziest thing that I didn't get until just now that should have been dead obvious is that Claire didn't want to get pregnant, she only wanted to know about the drug to threaten other lady. Man, I'm slow.
I don't think you are. They changed Claire's character a lot in this season - she would never have sabotaged Frank this season, whereas she really screwed him over last time - and last season she really did suddenly want to get pregnant. They made her not-a-loser in this season, which wasn't terrible because really she was pretty pathetic by the end of S1. "I fixed the sink!!!!" (as for rape, keep watching)

The end of S1 appeared to be setting up a different show, which is why the first episode had so many different narrative threads that all got tied up extremely quickly so that we could get back to Frank loving poo poo up in Washington.

Claire was the weaker member of the marriage last season, and the stronger member of the marriage this season (she's basically right about everything, and her manipulations were almost perfect). They didn't reference the other dozen or so abortions Claire had, so there was a little ret-conning. Not a big deal - she's consistent within each season and it's not inconceivable for Frank to be married to either of them so whatever.

I do find it funny that she basically wrecks the president's marriage by giving the most conventional People magazine advice possible while her marriage is extremely strong while being totally weird. Makes u think...



Although maybe my main problem w/ the season was that the China stuff was arcane and there wasn't a very strong character or actor selling it the way Russo sold the election stuff (and the way the teacher union boss sold that subplot). For an corrupt billionaire who drinks $40,000 scotch Fang sure was dull. And complacent.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Feb 15, 2014

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


Claire...Francis...Beechum

















































:stare:

strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say
Someone in the first couple pages mentioned Frank's gay tendencies or something and I was thinking what? I haven't noticed that. Then that scene happened and I was just like welp guess I haven't been paying close enough attention

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

david puddy posted:

Someone in the first couple pages mentioned Frank's gay tendencies or something and I was thinking what? I haven't noticed that. Then that scene happened and I was just like welp guess I haven't been paying close enough attention
Do you remember that episode in Season 1 where he hangs out with his boyfriend from high school?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

No Wave posted:

Absolutely. Frank explaining to her why it is important that he has sex with her because it makes him feel like he has control over her while he's having sex with her in that shithole and she turns around afterwards and is like "ok, are we done? Can I get my info now?" Marvelous stuff. There are all these shows where girls who are young and pretty and have ok careers are like "I'm such a loser!" but man she sold it.

Plus the neat lived in the wreck of a apartment does much to explain her character motivations, as someone barely scraping by in a entry level position but has the smarts/ruthlessness to be something else.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

etalian posted:

Plus the neat lived in the wreck of a apartment does much to explain her character motivations, as someone barely scraping by in a entry level position but has the smarts/ruthlessness to be something else.


It's her own doing too. She gets promoted above her boyfriend but he makes his apartment look like a palace by comparison because he puts in the effort (and has a little more self-respect/sense of responsibility, maybe).

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

No Wave posted:

It's her own doing too. She gets promoted above her boyfriend but he makes his apartment look like a palace by comparison because he puts in the effort (and has a little more self-respect/sense of responsibility, maybe).

I kind of saw it as signifying that he came from a more privileged background, myself.

No Wave posted:

I do find it funny that she basically wrecks the president's marriage by giving the most conventional People magazine advice possible while her marriage is extremely strong while being totally weird. Makes u think...

Haha, yeah, they do seem to be really great for each other. I mean, they slipped into that threesome pretty easily and didn't have any cliche handwringing about it afterward: that takes a lot of comfort and trust. I'm on ep12 so I'm not sure if we're going to find out the details of the "medication" and "counseling" the president's been dealing with (but I hope so).

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!

Sharkie posted:

I kind of saw it as signifying that he came from a more privileged background, myself.
Her apartment's not that small and she leaves garbage all over the place. I'm not the cleanest dude, but her total disgust with her apartment has nothing to do with its size. I mean she lives in a 1BR no roommates...

Sharkie posted:

Haha, yeah, they do seem to be really great for each other. I mean, they slipped into that threesome pretty easily and didn't have any cliche handwringing about it afterward: that takes a lot of comfort and trust. I'm on ep12 so I'm not sure if we're going to find out the details of the "medication" and "counseling" the president's been dealing with (but I hope so).
They've probably done it before.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Feb 15, 2014

EatinCake
Oct 21, 2008

david puddy posted:

Poor Stamper :(
The guy kinda had it coming the entire season. I mean, no one really deserves getting beaten to death with a brick, but eh.

This show operates basically as a fancy soap opera set in the US government, but drat if it isn't a satisfying watch.

Happy_Misanthrope
Aug 3, 2007

"I wanted to kill you, go to your funeral, and anyone who showed up to mourn you, I wanted to kill them too."

teagone posted:

I was loving surprised. On to Episode 2!

Yeah who knows how many eps you guys are in by now, but just started...so. Sure, he's capable of it, but loving EP1 of S2?!? :psypop:

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever
"I'm willing to let your child wither and die inside you if that's what's required"

are you loving kidding me? I couldn't mash the back button fast enough after hearing that loving turd of a line

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


That scene with Stamper dead on the ground with the chopper overhead took me back to Leo's first heart attack in The West Wing.

Underwood's doubletap and smash cut to credits totally has me pumped for season 3.

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

No Wave posted:

They've probably done it before.

Oh, I'm sure, but it still suggests how comfortable they are with each other. Also, FU's watching threesome porn on his laptop :v: I guess it's his thing.

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

Just finished it and holy poo poo. Not much to say that hasn't been said but I'd be watching S3 right loving now if it was out. Still digesting it and eagerly awaiting going through it again in detail a few months down the line to catch everything.

That scene in the first episode definitely had my jaw on the floor. Moments before I started watching, Obama tweeted he was watching it too and for some reason I love the thought of him reacting to that scene.

Caros
May 14, 2008

padijun posted:

"I'm willing to let your child wither and die inside you if that's what's required"

are you loving kidding me? I couldn't mash the back button fast enough after hearing that loving turd of a line

Sorry you have terrible taste.

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


Stare-Out posted:

Just finished it and holy poo poo. Not much to say that hasn't been said but I'd be watching S3 right loving now if it was out. Still digesting it and eagerly awaiting going through it again in detail a few months down the line to catch everything.

That scene in the first episode definitely had my jaw on the floor. Moments before I started watching, Obama tweeted he was watching it too and for some reason I love the thought of him reacting to that scene.

I literally shot up straight in my bed and shouted HOLY gently caress when that scene happened.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

"Sir your wife is on the phone"

The whole "Holy poo poo that guy knows how hosed he is" of that scene made me bust out laughing.

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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The Entire Universe posted:

"Sir your wife is on the phone"

The whole "Holy poo poo that guy knows how hosed he is" of that scene made me bust out laughing.

Which scene was that?

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever

Caros posted:

Sorry you have terrible taste.

that scene was so corny it made me stop watching. It was really bad. I mean I know the underwoods aren't supposed to be good guys but jesus. "uh yeah I forged your signature and I'll kill your baby" SO BAD. IT WAS A BAD SCENE AND I AM MAD AS HELL ABOUT TV SHOWS, I AM SO MAD I JUST GOT TRIGGERED AND SMASHED MY TV, AND NOW I CAN'T WATCH THE EMMY WINNING SERIES HOUSE OF CARDS :(

HUGE SPACEKABLOOIE
Mar 31, 2010


Accretionist posted:

Which scene was that?

When Claire named the General as her rapist.

TASTE THE PAIN!!
May 18, 2004

Just came across the one truly bad performance by an actor in this second season.

Sean Hannity

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

TASTE THE PAIN!! posted:

Just came across the one truly bad performance by an actor in this second season.

Sean Hannity

his life is a bad performance so it was spot on

Sharkie
Feb 4, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
...And that's what happens when you gently caress with Frances Underwood.

I thought this season was excellent. It wasn't flawless, but the positives far, far outweighed the comparatively minor negatives. The hacking subplot didn't end up as cheesy as it could have, from my non-technical standpoint. I was glad the hacker he found ended up being an FBI rat who talked him into doing something stupid that immediately got him busted; that felt true to life. They probably should have ended that subplot there, but we'll see where it goes in S03.

Like other people, I had some trouble keeping up with the details of the Tusk/Chinese plot. I get the basic idea of the laundering scheme, but wasn't clear on some of the decisions made towards the end, for example, why the president revoked his promise of pardon to Tusk after Underwood sent his letter. But the acting, composition, etc. was so entertaining I was able to just sort of let the finer details go and enjoy people screwing each other over. Now I want to go back and re-watch season 1.

However, am I the only one that thought Stamper got what was coming to him? He kept pushing Rachel over and over to satisfy whatever weird thing he had, and explicitly threatened her life at the end. He couldn't stop and think about how she, as a person, would react and kept underestimating or idealizing her and that led to the crushing blow he was dealt at the end. Of course if I were Rachel I would have run off to be a waitress in Alberta or something first chance I got, but still, he exploited her and ruined her life to fulfill his own emotional needs, and it's his fault he backed her into a corner :colbert:.

Philip Rivers
Mar 15, 2010

One episode in and Meechem is already the best character. Those cuff links. :allears:

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
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Sharkie posted:

However, am I the only one that thought Stamper got what was coming to him?

Nah, he kind of did.

I mean, if it were up to Underwood, she would've just been disappeared. Stamper kept her alive, but he also handled her so incredibly poorly that she thought it necessary to kill him with a rock and flee. He really hosed that up.

Orange Crush Rush
May 7, 2009

You don't need thumbs for revenge
The hacker plot was kinda cheesy, but on the other hand I think it has potential for season 3. It could very well lead to the entire FBI blowing the gently caress up internally, which would be rather hard to deal with on top of all the trade wars in China at the same time.

Also yeah I feel bad for Stamper but he did have what was coming to him. He handled Rachael so incredibly poorly right from the word go, during that car ride all I could think of was "there is no way she thinks he isn't going to kill her."

edit: Actually I feel like we are forgetting the real victim of season 2, Freddy.

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hellsjudge
May 13, 2010
As much as Doug had it coming to him, I couldn't help but yell at my screen when Rachel killed him, it was so unfair :(. I loved the character and the actor was sublime.

Frank's going to need a new enforcer though and there's no loving way pretty boy Seth fills those shoes.

e: poo poo, I forgot about Remy. Remy could be the hunky ruthless Chief of Staff doing all the dirty work :allears:.

hellsjudge fucked around with this message at 10:42 on Feb 15, 2014

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