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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Frank Underwood, you absolutely magnificent bastard. :allears:

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strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say

Jonny Angel posted:

- On the plus side, the journalism elements of this season did introduce us to Gavin, who owns. Also what kind of animal is Cashew, I feel dumb for not knowing.

It's a guinea pig

Jenny Angel
Oct 24, 2010

Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!
Lipstick Apathy
Didn't realize their fur grew that long! This show teaches me things.

strap on revenge
Apr 8, 2011

that's my thing that i say

Jonny Angel posted:

Didn't realize their fur grew that long! This show teaches me things.

Oh yes, they can be fabulous

tecnocrat
Oct 5, 2003
Struggling to keep his sanity.



Just finished it.

Wish there was a better ending for Remy and Freddie. Hate seeing either of those two get put out. It will be interesting to see what capacity Remy will be in once we see him again, and what circles he is allowed to run in.

Also, very odd direction with Doug. I understand the whole "Pretty Woman" syndrome, just feels way too tacked on, and out of character for him. Considering this season takes over a year in total (Frank has one birthday early on, and it three weeks from another at the end), that's a hell of a long time have to put fear of God into Rachel, give it up, and relapse.

Ave Azaria
Oct 4, 2010

by Lowtax

Jonny Angel posted:

Also Tom is a little uncomfortable for me as a character given how much they seem to portray him as a principled journalist and overall good dude who just happens to have this lovely misogynist streak.
I liked his showing up as Lucas's last hope. Disgraced rear end in a top hat journalist getting in Franks face? Noir as gently caress. I hope he comes back with and makes more progress in season 3.

twoot
Oct 29, 2012

I really enjoyed it. It has all the same problems as the first season, but there was plenty good stuff and waiting until next February is torture.

My favourite sequence was the dealing in the Senate and rounding up the republicans. Using procedure to beat people at their game was my favourite parts of The West Wing too. I was surprised about Stamper, at the beginning of the season I thought that they might follow the same trajectory as the BBC series and have him betray Frank and then get killed.

One thing that did distract was the use of CG environments. I realise that 95%+ of the audience will never notice, but to me the heavy blurring they used to mask the CG just made it stand out.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
Calling the house is better than hiding in the closets. :colbert:

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

twoot posted:

One thing that did distract was the use of CG environments. I realise that 95%+ of the audience will never notice, but to me the heavy blurring they used to mask the CG just made it stand out.
The only part that really stuck out as poorly done to me was the Stamper / Rachel woods showdown. The two-shots seemed fine like they were shot on location (or maybe decent cgi), the closeups were really poorly greenscreened.

Dear Sergio
Sep 7, 2008

We are a couple, not a duo

tecnocrat posted:

Just finished it.

Wish there was a better ending for Remy and Freddie. Hate seeing either of those two get put out. It will be interesting to see what capacity Remy will be in once we see him again, and what circles he is allowed to run in.

I just finished too and I'm kinda feeling the same way. While I don't believe we've remotely seen the last of Remy, he's too connected and angry to go away forever, I'm reasonably confident that was the last of Freddy. No real juice to squeeze out of that story, and now that I think about it he gave Freddy the same (albeit ringless) table knock that he gave to us at the end of the season as if to say "I'm done here". loving awesome ending otherwise.

natlampe
Jul 10, 2001

regulargonzalez posted:

The only part that really stuck out as poorly done to me was the Stamper / Rachel woods showdown. The two-shots seemed fine like they were shot on location (or maybe decent cgi), the closeups were really poorly greenscreened.
I thought the baseball scene was odd as well, but I can see how it wouldn't be practical to shoot it on location.

Jenny Angel
Oct 24, 2010

Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!
Lipstick Apathy
Incredibly goofy pet peeve: nobody pronounces Qian or Feng correctly. Tusk gets Feng right, and Underwood gets it right once before moving back to the wrong way.

Small White Dragon
Nov 23, 2007

No relation.
Well, I'll admit I was a little surprised when Tusk killed the bird.

maxidious
Sep 25, 2007

Meh

20ozMonkey posted:

He's Joan's husband on Mad Men.

Thank you! I was wondering why he looked so familiar the whole time watching S2.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

The real star of the show is Cauldron Bird.



Jonny Angel posted:

Incredibly goofy pet peeve: nobody pronounces Qian or Feng correctly. Tusk gets Feng right, and Underwood gets it right once before moving back to the wrong way.

Francis constantly calling him "Fang" ups the Bond villain factor.

Enigma89
Jan 2, 2007

by CVG
I just finished it. Great season but the poo poo about the girl who also came out about the rape kind of droned on a bit. Besides that story arc which kind of dragged on a bit the season was awesome.

Dapper Dan
Dec 16, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Jonny Angel posted:

- Frank has largely continued to be a cypher with that aforementioned "thirst for power", and it's honestly felt like an ouroboros for a while now. "I want power, which will let me do the things I want. Those things are largely getting more power". Dude doesn't seem to have any principles or an endgame, and it's really hard to imagine what he'd actually do if he ended up on the top of the heap. No pet policies, no interests he seems to be invested in protecting or advancing - it's not a bad thing for a character, certainly a realistic thing for some old white dude to be power-hungry for the sake of it, but it still feels a little weird. Netflix tells me the show's tagline is "Bad, for a greater good". What greater good has even slightly been mentioned?

This only came up in season 1 really, but the reason Frank is accumulating all this power is for one reason: Legacy. He wants to craft himself as a legend, and be remembered for something. It is how he will basically live forever. Agenda or ideals aren't something he cares about, because they only stand in the way of accomplishing his one true goal. Legacy is everything. Ideology is nothing. It holds a lot of motivation for his character. He doesn't have any children so he doesn't have a genetic legacy and his father died a pathetic drunk whom only he seems to remember. This is most exemplified in his interest in his Great Grandfather when he could give a poo poo about the rest of the Civil War reenactment.

For example, in the ending to the House of Cards book Frank's counterpart actually allows his own assassination in order to make himself a martyr and live forever in history, with no one knowing what a monster he was. It isn't really spelled out all that much, but that's what Frank wants. The only way to live forever is to carve a name for yourself and be remembered. That's all that matters to him and this goal is going to be attained by accumulating as much power and influence as possible.

Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Feb 16, 2014

Jenny Angel
Oct 24, 2010

Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!
Lipstick Apathy
^^^ And as I'm writing this, someone answers my previous bitching with a well-put and compelling hypothesis.

Just finished. I gotta say, some goons were speculating earlier in this thread that they weren't even planning for a third season, and I honestly can't see there being a satisfying third season. It's not that I can't imagine satisfying things happening: Remy coming back and gaining a position of strength would be awesome, and I could see enjoying an Underwood downfall arc wherein all the loose ends accumulated over the last two seasons slowly come back to haunt him.

But it just doesn't feel like there's an endgame anymore. The goal for Underwood was to get the presidency: what's next as far as his ambitions go? Do we get a gripping arc where he solidifies the party under his control for the midterms? Do we see his re-election campaign? Over two seasons there still hasn't been a whiff of what he actually wants as far as policy goes, as every policy debate in the show has been a smokescreen for a "How can the fallout of this fight get me closer to the presidency?" campaign. Someone as ruthlessly ambitious as Underwood is only really interesting when he wants something, and when the thing he wants isn't something as stagnant as "maintaining and consolidating my current position".

Again, there's nothing particularly unrealistic about this. We're all familiar with the idea of elected officials in permanent campaign mode, who disappoint the base because they have to pass uncontroversial legislation to have a strong midterm showing / get re-elected / help the next candidate get elected / etc.


But it's still not really satisfying. There's nowhere interesting for the character to go at this point except down, unless he suddenly develops a new set of priorities.

gently caress, maybe the big season 3 plot twist is that Underwood is the antichrist and is gunning for the position of One World President.

Toplowtech
Aug 31, 2004

Dapper Dan posted:

This only came up in season 1 really, but the reason Frank is accumulating all this power is for one reason: Legacy. He wants to craft himself as a legend, and be remembered for something. It is how he will basically live forever. Agenda or ideals aren't the end goal, because they only stand in the way of accomplishing his one true goal. Legacy is everything.
Yes and if you remember what was his wife's biggest memory of her childhood, it's pretty obvious how it will end.

Damiya
Jul 3, 2012

Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

I don't know which was more unbelievable, the Meechum threeway

This was the most random, amazing bit of what the gently caress. I mean the vibes between Claire and Meechum were there but then Frank gets it on and it's like 'well that was unexpected'.

though now that I think about it I guess that was all set in motion once Meechum failed to react to the porn?

twoot
Oct 29, 2012

Jonny Angel posted:

But it just doesn't feel like there's an endgame anymore. The goal for Underwood was to get the presidency: what's next as far as his ambitions go? Do we get a gripping arc where he solidifies the party under his control for the midterms? Do we see his re-election campaign? Over two seasons there still hasn't been a whiff of what he actually wants as far as policy goes, as every policy debate in the show has been a smokescreen for a "How can the fallout of this fight get me closer to the presidency?"

You should watch the UK series if you want to get some idea of the direction they might go. The two shows have seriously diverged but I can see them ending similarly.

Its complicated somewhat by Frank being a Democrat and how far they could push him under that banner (maybe that is a plotline), but with the BBC series Francis becomes turbo-Thatcher. Like he acts to suppress negative press over gas-leak explosion deaths by re-introducing conscription.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

Dapper Dan posted:

For example, in the ending to the House of Cards book Frank's counterpart actually allows his own assassination in order to make himself a martyr and live forever in history, with no one knowing what a monster he was. It isn't really spelled out all that much, but that's what Frank wants. The only way to live forever is to carve a name for yourself and be remembered. That's all that matters to him and this goal is going to be attained by accumulating as much power and influence as possible.

There's a bit in Claire's TV interview that made me certain that they're going to stick with this ending.

I think in general the British version can offer a bit of a roadmap for what might come next. On the British show, Francis is Prime Minister in 4 episodes, and the rest is all about him fending off threats and cementing a legacy.

I do think the next major victory Frank can attain for himself is re-election. It's not as juicy or audacious as stealing the presidency, but re-election will be of symbolic importance to him because it's how he will legitimize himself in history. Realistically, there must be a lot of noise in the media and popular opinion about the fact that the sitting President was never on the ticket. The only way for him to fully silence that will be through popular vote.

The show could give him some formidable opposition through a primary challenger within his own party, and/or a charismatic Republican opponent. And considering that there's still loose ends about what went on in the first season, such an opponent could become armed with some dangerous ammo. There's plenty to work with.

PaganGoatPants
Jan 18, 2012

TODAY WAS THE SPECIAL SALE DAY!
Grimey Drawer
Freddy noooo. :smith:

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Supercar Gautier posted:

The show could give him some formidable opposition through a primary challenger within his own party, and/or a charismatic Republican opponent. And considering that there's still loose ends about what went on in the first season, such an opponent could become armed with some dangerous ammo. There's plenty to work with.

Season 3 skipping the next year (mid-terms) and shifting gears towards having Frank survive the primaries and re-election would be loving awesome.

Jenny Angel
Oct 24, 2010

Out of Control
Hard to Regulate
Anything Goes!
Lipstick Apathy
Frank's charismatic Republican opponent for the presidency is a young, principled, moderate with a lot of demographic appeal, played in an extended cameo by Barack Obama. Please give me this, universe. Please give me the exploding heads of every right-wing commentator.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
So... Kata Mara actually got whacked? I thought it was a fake out fantasy like the start of BSG Season 4.

If so, Frank should go for head of the FSB or NSA. He's a peerless schemer and somehow is also very adept at wet work. It almost borders on him being too powerful.

He should pick up chain smoking and take an interest in FBI agents who are obsessed with extraterrestrial abductions.

skooma512 fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Feb 16, 2014

electricmonk500
May 6, 2007

Orange Crush Rush posted:

I thought it was unexpected too, but looking back it really, really wasn't. Like there's the obvious stuff, like his old military friends from season 1, plus how Zoe said neither of them ever actually enjoyed the sex they were having, it was just a show of power and dominance. And of course how his marriage seems to be totally devoid and of any kind of a physical relationship.

But there's other things too, like how he refused birthday gifts from everyone (even Claire), but not only accepted Meacham's gift by seemed flattered by it. He also acted incredibly nice to him throughout both seasons, which is uncharacteristic because Frank is literally only nice to people that he has a use for. There's other details I'm forgetting but it was all actually foreshadowed pretty well.

All of this is true. I feel like it's only so unexpected because there's not much precedent (in TV and film) for middle aged, conniving politicians/anti-heroes to be into this particular sort of sexual gratification. That, and it's still 1000 times more taboo to show male-male physicality than female-female.

I think another part of the rationale for it is due to Frank and Claire wanting to really give Meechum a psychological reason (beyond his training) to protect them. Frank asks Meechum on the porch about how he can't imagine for what reason someone would take a bullet for someone else. Frank and Claire might feel like the demanding and isolating nature of Meechum's job could lead to him eventually burning out if he didn't have a very personal stake in their safety. So I feel like it was partly implied that initiating a sexual relationship with Meechum is Frank and Claire's way of giving him that 'reason' to take a bullet for either of them. Also, Meechum seems to be a relatively simple person who believes without reservations that he is serving his country, so he may be the only other person in their lives that they feel they can completely trust. Everything aligns; Frank and Claire both stand to gain by increasing his loyalty, they already know they can trust him, and they both have a general fondness/attraction to him, so why not?

And if anyone knows which episode it is in season 1 where Frank mentions his former male relationships could you remind me so I can revisit? I had entirely forgotten about that.

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Supercar Gautier posted:

There's a bit in Claire's TV interview that made me certain that they're going to stick with this ending.

I think in general the British version can offer a bit of a roadmap for what might come next. On the British show, Francis is Prime Minister in 4 episodes, and the rest is all about him fending off threats and cementing a legacy.

I do think the next major victory Frank can attain for himself is re-election. It's not as juicy or audacious as stealing the presidency, but re-election will be of symbolic importance to him because it's how he will legitimize himself in history. Realistically, there must be a lot of noise in the media and popular opinion about the fact that the sitting President was never on the ticket. The only way for him to fully silence that will be through popular vote.

The show could give him some formidable opposition through a primary challenger within his own party, and/or a charismatic Republican opponent. And considering that there's still loose ends about what went on in the first season, such an opponent could become armed with some dangerous ammo. There's plenty to work with.

How far into the old president (can't remember his name)'s tenure did he resign? If he had served 2+ years, Frank could technically win re-election twice, yeah? The max term is ten years, if you take over for a president that didn't serve out his term (i.e., Lyndon Johnson could have run again since he only served a year and a few months of JFK's term)

e: S2 takes place over the course of exactly 1 year. Assuming S1 was a year as well, Frank could be up for re-election twice.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
I figured the "take a bullet" exchanges were just Frank ascertaining how trustworthy Meachem is. Someone who'd take a bullet for you can conceivably be trusted enough not to tell anyone about your orgies.

regulargonzalez posted:

How far into the old president (can't remember his name)'s tenure did he resign? If he had served 2+ years, Frank could technically win re-election twice, yeah? The max term is ten years, if you take over for a president that didn't serve out his term (i.e., Lyndon Johnson could have run again since he only served a year and a few months of JFK's term)

e: S2 takes place over the course of exactly 1 year. Assuming S1 was a year as well, Frank could be up for re-election twice.

This was all before the mid-term election, so yeah, Walker was president for a bit less than two years. Frank can only run once.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 16, 2014

regulargonzalez
Aug 18, 2006
UNGH LET ME LICK THOSE BOOTS DADDY HULU ;-* ;-* ;-* YES YES GIVE ME ALL THE CORPORATE CUMMIES :shepspends: :shepspends: :shepspends: ADBLOCK USERS DESERVE THE DEATH PENALTY, DON'T THEY DADDY?
WHEN THE RICH GET RICHER I GET HORNIER :a2m::a2m::a2m::a2m:

Lycus posted:

This was all before the mid-term election, so yeah, Walker was president for a bit less than two years.
Ah, that's right. Poor timing on Frank's part then -- max term of ~6.5 years, give or take a month or two.
If he'd waited a few months to complete his "undermine Walker" plan, he could have theoretically had 10 years.

regulargonzalez fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Feb 16, 2014

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!
I marathoned this, and I've defended and suggested House of Cards at every opportunity.

In following the thread, I understand why people would see this as the stronger season, but there was a certain urgency from season one that I found lacking this time around. Maybe the slow play serves to benefit from not having three months for eager fans to wait, but I still felt an element of intrigue missing.

That said, I appreciate kaworu's insights about Claire, and I think that's the major thread we have to hold onto going forward. Her history of sexual assault goes a long way to explain her motivations and behavior. Still, I can't shake that erg she bought. Last year, she uses it to get Frank to focus and better himself. This year, it's the tool she's been reduced to. We've seen her give up the watershed act, give up CWI to a threatening rival, and give up the military sexual assault bill. If this season was about appreciating a long game, I hope Claire has something awesome for us next time around.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

regulargonzalez posted:

Ah, that's right. Poor timing on Frank's part then -- max term of ~6.5 years, give or take a month or two.
If he'd waited a few months to complete his "undermine Walker" plan, he could have theoretically had 10 years.
True, but the exploitation of the fear of Walker bringing down the Democrats' chances in the mid-terms was a part of Frank's plans. We just don't know if he could've have accomplished his plan after the election. He had to strike while the iron was hot.

Ave Azaria
Oct 4, 2010

by Lowtax

kaworu posted:

I am really shocked people are surprised at the "Claire has a history of rape" subplot. These two obviously have a complicated marriage, which is quite plainly not sexually intimate. It has taken paints not to explain it - not even Frank's revelation of his homosexual dalliances explained it. This goes to great lengths towards explaining it even more.

And it's being very well handled, actually. Claire's monologue in bed was chilling, especially when she started referring to herself-as-victim in the third person. I do that. I think *everyone* who has been raped or abused does that. But being a sociopath, Claire takes it in her own direction. Goddamn, this show is dark.

I don't think Claire's a pathological sociopath though, but someone whose trauma made her vulnerable to signing on to Frank's way of life. She consciously suppresses empathy in the pursuit of power, and is great at it right up until she's called out by the young victim-- it's too close to home, and makes her break down crying on her return. Frank, the natural sociopath, would never do this... unless someone was watching and being seen crying worked to his benefit.

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames
Just finished too. I'll bullet point my thoughts:

-The season lasted a year, from present day because Feb 13, 2014 was mentioned in the first or second episode, right around Franks birthday. Then He was given a gift by Claire and she said it was a few weeks early for his bday...

-So, that makes it Feb 2015, and I think they will start next year in Feb 2016 and Frank running for reelection.

-I think he can run again in 2020 because he was not President for over 2 years, so he gets 2 full terms.

-I can't believe no one else saw the Zoe ending telegraphed. I was thinking it might happen at the beginning of the scene with the whole setup, but when it happened at the end I wasn't shocked.

-I thought that what Frank and Claire were going to try early along was to get or plant an affair with Russo's old girlfriend and the POTUS when she was his assistant, but the marriage trouble was what came about.

Unmerciful
Sep 14, 2008

Damiya posted:

This was the most random, amazing bit of what the gently caress. I mean the vibes between Claire and Meechum were there but then Frank gets it on and it's like 'well that was unexpected'.

though now that I think about it I guess that was all set in motion once Meechum failed to react to the porn?

It was set in motion long before that. Frank and Claire nurtured that relationship since the beginning of the season and even into season 1. Frank continually elevated him and demanded that he be made part of his detail. He encouraged him to be part of Claire's detail and keep her safe. He and Claire had multiple conversations regarding Meecham's reliability and discretion. Frank asked Claire if she missed Adam and lamented that they weren't as free as they used to be to pursue others outside the marriage when she asked if he was unsatisfied. They brought him closer and closer throughout the season, tested him over and over (see: the escalation from playing ball, to one beer, to porn) and only then took action.

The reason the Meecham thing was so brilliant is it perfectly displays Frank and Claire's talent for manipulating so innocently and subtly that it is almost undetectable and even if confronted completely deniable. If Meecham had turned down the advance he would have absolute nothing on them. It's exactly what he does to Walker throughout the season. They are jazz musicians and everyone else is reciting lines from a play.

In the middle of the season I started to think that season 1 was superior - season 1 was "sex and politics" and season 2 is obviously "money and politics". I thought Frank and Zoe was much more compelling than endless discussions of money laundering and whatever what was going on with that insane Bond movie portrayal of a "hacker" (Boris Grischenko was less ostentatious). But in the end seeing how every single piece of maneuvering and relationship-building throughout the season (building trust with Trisha so that at the critical time she influences a completely isolated and diminished Walker in favor of Frank, creating and then resolving a conflict with Jackie so she respects and is willing to do something unprecedented for them, reaching across the aisle on the entitlement bill, etc.) leads inexorably to Frank rapping his knuckles in the Oval Office, I think it's worth reconsidering.

Really can't wait for next season - Frank sold out every ideal and principle he never had to get the office - I'm very interested to see what he does with it.

Unmerciful fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Feb 16, 2014

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Michael Corleone posted:



-I think he can run again in 2020 because he was not President for over 2 years, so he gets 2 full terms.

Walker was president for less than two years, not Frank. Frank will finish the majority of his term, so he won't be able to run in 2020.

Jenny Angel
Oct 24, 2010

Out of Control
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More poo poo that owned:

- Freddy subplot. Freddy's got an awesome presence, and it was great to see him get screentime beyond making good ribs and thanking Underwood for his generosity. Also interesting that his description of humane hog-slaughtering is like the one thing in the show that's legitimately startled Frank. Frank's had slow realizations that he'd been misled, he's had "Well that didn't go well" asides, he's had false displays of surprise. But when Freddy slammed the table, Underwood jumped.
- Gonna agree with Unmerciful that the whole Meachum situation was fantastically sold. I feel like it's an important thread in that it shows just how the Underwoods never really turn off - near every interaction they have, even in the context of people who are already unquestioningly serving them, is through a lens of "But how can I get more power over this person?"

More poo poo that blew:

- The early goings of the season felt like they were just snuffing out too many loose plot threads at once. Zoe and Janine make quick exits. Gillian Cole gets bought off and is never heard from again. I'm not sure that the latter plotline would've actually been particularly compelling if they'd gone burther with it, but it really felt like they'd just lost interest in the story and were like, "Okay, how can we get rid of both the lawsuit and Claire's responsibilities at the CWI?"
- I already bitched about the Tea Party arc, but hot drat, they dropped the ball on that one. Curtis Haas was the most milquetoast possible avatar for a group that's full of huge personalities that make self-important filibusters and say the most bizarrely quotable things. Haas was about as bland as it gets. It's another part of why the arc felt so lame compared to the education fight in S1 - Marty Spinella was a fantastic antagonist to have around. Never one you actually thought was going to defeat Underwood in the end, but an animated guy who did said interesting things.

Michael Corleone
Mar 30, 2011

by VideoGames

Lycus posted:

Walker was president for less than two years, not Frank. Frank will finish the majority of his term, so he won't be able to run in 2020.

E: Actually, I think he would get 2 terms. The President was elected in 2012 and took office 1-20-13. The season end a few weeks before 2-13-15, so the timing is ambiguous probably because Netflix can then play with this fact when planning future plot points.

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SunshineDanceParty
Feb 7, 2006

One Road. Two Friends. One Ass.

Damiya posted:

This was the most random, amazing bit of what the gently caress. I mean the vibes between Claire and Meechum were there but then Frank gets it on and it's like 'well that was unexpected'.

though now that I think about it I guess that was all set in motion once Meechum failed to react to the porn?

As soon as I realized the porn was two guys and a girl, and Meechum walked in, I thought it was just a matter of time.

I loved Claire and Frank this season. Especially anytime they give each other those soulless looks of mutual understanding that make them seem so alien to everyone else.

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quaunaut
Sep 15, 2007

WHOOSH
This is like a whole show dedicated to seeing Cersei Lannister succeed. Or I suppose, Tywin. I loved every minute- this season was wholeheartedly better than the first, from how it was more restrained than before, had better surprises than before, and you really got to see how the game was played, instead of simply being a showcase for Frank's cunning.

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