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Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Heh, having Zoe survive the first season totally tricked me into thinking that they were breaking with the UK series in that regard.

TXT BOOTY7 2 47474 posted:

So, did you get to episode 11 yet? :v:
When the drinks came out, I was like "Claire is totally going to sleep with the bodyguard. It's obvious." That scene took an unexpected turn.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Feb 15, 2014

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Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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-Blackadder- posted:

and who the girl is who jumped off the subway platform.
You might want to do a rewatch, because she was one of the main characters of Season 1. She was reporter that Frank was using to leak info.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Feb 15, 2014

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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-Blackadder- posted:

I'm not even halfway through the first episode yet. I remember the reporter, Zoe Barnes, I just don't remember her death or what lead to it,

*head scratch* Well, if you're halfway through the first episode, then you haven't actually gotten to her death yet.

-Blackadder- posted:

or for the most part who this reporter guy is beyond that I remember him being her editor.

I was just looking for a recap of season 1 to refresh my memory on all the players.

He's just her boyfriend/ex-superior, who was helping her after she started turning against Underwood.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Feb 15, 2014

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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I figured the "take a bullet" exchanges were just Frank ascertaining how trustworthy Meachem is. Someone who'd take a bullet for you can conceivably be trusted enough not to tell anyone about your orgies.

regulargonzalez posted:

How far into the old president (can't remember his name)'s tenure did he resign? If he had served 2+ years, Frank could technically win re-election twice, yeah? The max term is ten years, if you take over for a president that didn't serve out his term (i.e., Lyndon Johnson could have run again since he only served a year and a few months of JFK's term)

e: S2 takes place over the course of exactly 1 year. Assuming S1 was a year as well, Frank could be up for re-election twice.

This was all before the mid-term election, so yeah, Walker was president for a bit less than two years. Frank can only run once.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Feb 16, 2014

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regulargonzalez posted:

Ah, that's right. Poor timing on Frank's part then -- max term of ~6.5 years, give or take a month or two.
If he'd waited a few months to complete his "undermine Walker" plan, he could have theoretically had 10 years.
True, but the exploitation of the fear of Walker bringing down the Democrats' chances in the mid-terms was a part of Frank's plans. We just don't know if he could've have accomplished his plan after the election. He had to strike while the iron was hot.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Michael Corleone posted:



-I think he can run again in 2020 because he was not President for over 2 years, so he gets 2 full terms.

Walker was president for less than two years, not Frank. Frank will finish the majority of his term, so he won't be able to run in 2020.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Michael Corleone posted:

E: Actually, I think he would get 2 terms. The President was elected in 2012 and took office 1-20-13. The season end a few weeks before 2-13-15, so the timing is ambiguous probably because Netflix can then play with this fact when planning future plot points.
Did the resignation not take place before the 2014 mid-term election?

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Michael Corleone posted:

You guys convinced me. The trouble I have is that in either the first episode it was 2-13-14 and right around Franks Birthday. And then at the end of the last episode Claire gives Franks a Bday gift but says it is a few weeks early. So, shouldn't this make the end of E13 late Jan/early Feb 2015? Did they mess up continuity somewhere or am I wrong again?
If you're correct about his birth date, then it's just a very minor discontinuity in Claire's dialogue. Obviously, the season ending before the 2014 election is more important to the overall plot.

Nevertheless, I don't see this show's concept going on long enough for two more presidential elections. I mean, it's not like its The West Wing. I feel like the ideal thing to do is have one more season about Frank battling against an impending downfall and trying to secure his legacy, framed around the 2016 campaign season.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 05:38 on Feb 16, 2014

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Aug 5, 2008

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Propaganda Machine posted:

One other thing:

I'm interested to see if the voters come up in season 3, like, at all. I can understand how Urquhart could get into a position like this (Prime Minister, or, leader of the ruling party), given parliamentary procedure, but for America to have a person go from the elected representative of a single district to president of the country without being submitted to a vote seems like the sort of hubris Rachel Maddow (!!!) would be all over.
Gerald Ford.

But I do hope to see some 2016 next season.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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So Underwood is the 46th president. I guess in the House of Cards-verse, Walker must've primaried Obama in 2012.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Chainsawdomy posted:

I have to wonder if that's gonna cause Frank trouble in Season 3, since Doug took all the blame for the Casino connection and then turns up murdered a couple weeks later.

Yeah, that's what I thought. Some people said his death is a loose end tied up, but I think it actually creates a rather large loose end, since his death wasn't controlled.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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The scene was unexpected when I was first watching it, but there was definitely some lead-up to it. It's clearer on a rewatch.

Lycus
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Nameless Pete posted:

Maybe I'm dumb for thinking this, but when Walker told Frank to start whipping up votes in case of impeachment I thought for sure he was going to orchestrate a 50-50 tie in the Senate.
Conviction requires a 2/3 supermajority.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Bro Dad posted:

The thirty seconds it would take for McPoyle to found out who Lucas working with. Especially now that any chance of protection for him is gone and he has no choice but to go on the offensive. He knows about Rachel and thanks to his AT&T hack is probably the only person on Earth who could find Kaepiniack, which makes him by far the biggest threat alive to Underwood and Underwood doesn't he know he exists, and won't because of Stamper.

Season 3 gonna be so good y'all.
The McPoyle hacker is the only character that can challenge Underwood both in his political machinations and in Call of Duty.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Handsome Ralph posted:

Also seeing Jeanine, who worked at prestigious national newspaper as a political editor in the previous season, become this naive and scared person when two random FBI agents show up to her house really made me and my fiance :rolleyes:


That's missing quite a bit of context, though. Of her two partners, one is dead and the other is going to prison. So
FBI agents showing up at your house and threatening you is scarier than it would normally be.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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If they can get more out of this show without degrading the quality, great, but right now I feel like this show has one more season about Frank trying to avert a downfall. I just don't see more than one season of Frank being president without the show going stale.

Lycus
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I wonder if Stamper was just about to become Chief of Staff when he had to go get himself killed by his obsession with an ex-prostitute.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Watch him nominate Claire.

Lycus
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Honestly, at least in the TV series, so far he's yet to perform any political masterstrokes.

Lycus
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I don't know, man, he looks pretty dead.

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Steve2911 posted:

and never wanted to be much more than he was, as long as he could occasionally manipulate those above him.
I don't know about this part. He definitely wants to become king somehow.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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I still hate the tagline on Netflix.com. "Bad, for a greater good." That's nonsense, Frank doesn't give a crap about the greater good.

Lycus
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I'm sure that the new President's chief of staff being found murdered in the woods is going to raise a lot of questions, too.

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BOAT SHOWBOAT posted:

I actually really enjoyed David Fincher's commentary and thought it was fairly insightful - the defensive aspects were actually kind of interesting and I like when commentaries address criticism.

Joel Schumacher's commentary was especially bad, though. I don't think he understands the purpose of the commentary, and probably just did it as part of a contract, as he basically just literally describes what's happening in the scenes and just says how good of an actor everyone is.

The "person who just talks about how everyone was great to work with" seems to happen a lot in commentaries and I think they're always the most boring ones.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Yeah, I don't understand why it's "unnecessary". Regardless of how the Underwoods feel about it, Meetchum probably strongly feels personally tied to them now and will probably do anything for them. Whoever said that with Stamper dead, Meetchum is going to become Frank's personal enforcer in Season 3 is probably absolutely right.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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EvilJimmyCarter posted:

I guess I'm getting bored with seeing Frank win so constantly and so quickly (how long was it from being majority whip to President?), despite the show being highly entertaining.

I can understand that. It's one of reasons why I'm hoping Season 3 is about him struggling against an impending downfall. It would be a nice change of pace after 2 seasons of straight victories.

Lycus
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ultramiraculous posted:

Based on the years they mention, it's actually an alternate universe where Obama lost the 2012 election to Walker. There's multiple conversations where people are trying to figure out if Fronk wants to challenge Walker in 2016 or just wait until 2020. I think that's mostly just to keep year parity with reality, though. The setting really makes the most sense from a real life standpoint if Walker came after Obama's second term.
Or a Republican (either McCain or a non-specific one) won in 2008 and was beaten by Walker in 2012. That might be more likely than a sitting president getting primaried. They're probably never going to talk about 2008-2012, though, so we'll probably never know for sure.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Friendly Factory posted:

Zoe dying should have, at the very least, happened at the climax of season 1.
Well, yeah, it should've. But I kinda got the impression that at the end of Season 1, the US writers were just unsure if they wanted to follow the UK story in that regard, or break with it and keep Zoe around for all of Season 2. So they punted it and decided later.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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1st AD posted:


What's this Fronk poo poo?

Somebody typo'd and some other people thought it was funny and kept doing it. Goon humor.

Lycus
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precision posted:

I believe Zoe's killing may have been meant to mirror Vince Foster:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Vince_Foster

Frank and Claire in general seem a bit on-the-nose in their Hilary/Bill dynamic.
Eh, I don't see any need to read more into it than Zoe's killing mirrors the death of the reporter in the original House of Cards.

Edit: Oh, somebody already made this point.

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bamhand posted:

Ends with Putin and Underwood in a bare knuckled fight to the death. I wonder who would win. Either way I would watch the gently caress out of that.
Underwood wins and the Russian people are so impressed that they impeach Putin and elect Underwood President of Russia. That's Season 3. Season 4 is about him becoming Prime Minister of the UK. Season 5 is about him becoming General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party. And so on until Underwood is the leader of every country in the world.

Lycus
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Gohmert and Bachmann should prove that intellect is not at all necessary in becoming a member of Congress, as long as you can get some money.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Pinky Artichoke posted:

To be fair, you couldn't make a character like Frank a Republican without serious outcry on the part of the manufactured-outrage-based entertainment segment of the media. Instead we're in an alternate reality where apparently pre-Reagan Southern Democrats are still a thing.
Frank's not so much a pre-Reagan Southern Democrat as he is a pre-2010 Southern Democrat.

Besides, a non-ideological centrist Republican becoming as powerful as Frank would strain my suspension of disbelief more than accepting that the 2010 wave didn't happen.

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Lycus
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I'm pretty sure they've said absolutely nothing about the 2009-2013 presidency, so it's all guesses.

Lycus
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WYA posted:

Are we supposed to believe that Frank killed Zoe?

We actually saw Frank kill Zoe.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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Nah, man. He just wanted to pressure her get on the train, he just pushed a little too hard and a little too soon.
Whoops!

Lycus
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WYA posted:

Uhhh, did I miss something? What episode was that in
The season premiere.

Is this another case of someone accidentally skipping it and watching the second episode instead? That happened earlier in the thread.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

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However it ends up, I do think a Frank vs Claire situation would be an interesting road to go down in Season 3.

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Xealot posted:

Sure, but it is strange to have a late-addition to Walker's administration going from Vice President to President in less than a year. Frank wasn't Secretary of State. To the public, it looked like some random congressman showed up out of nowhere, and now he's President.

But computer parts was referencing Gerald Ford, and that's pretty much exactly what happened.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Yes, but that was in the fallout of an incredibly hosed up situation and people generally speaking understood the hosed up thing that just happened.
Granted, but it is weird world where the Vice President is committing murders with his own hands.

Though the last Vice President did shoot somebody in the face. :v:

Lycus fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Mar 18, 2014

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Timeless Appeal posted:

And I don't need the show to be realistic, but it just seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of people. It's hard to imagine nobody taking any of Lucas's story seriously at all. Or at least look at what he suggests and go, "Huh..."

Also, I know Lucas doesn't really know this, but the second the story broke, it would just take all the people in the capital to actually start talking to each other before Frank's lies unraveled.

Which is kinda what I'd like Season 3 to be about. Frank struggling against everything falling apart, without even a trustworthy fixer to help him anymore.

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