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MJBuddy posted:One of the best features of the One is the built-in calibration tool for TVs. How many people have run that? Probably not many at all. Doesn't the Xbone still gently caress up colors when scaling?
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Midee posted:Doesn't the Xbone still gently caress up colors when scaling? No idea. I havent noticed anything.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:05
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Well Eurogamer certainly did:quote:The unsightly sharpening filter has been consigned to the scrapheap of technological history, removing a 'feature' that really shouldn't have been there in the first place, but while the resulting improvement to picture quality is considerable and mostly positive, colour balance is still an issue, and the quality of the scaling itself is unchanged.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:10
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MJBuddy posted:It's really not, which is evidenced by people buying Insignia sets and not Plasmas in the first place. MS should have aimed for 1080p because it looks better. That you have to have a proper viewing setup for your visual acuity to take advantage of that goes without saying and is not any kind of point against higher quality being higher quality. It isn't a huge deal, but it is somewhat embarrassing and let's not pretend its nothing.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:17
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Hogburto posted:There existing a sub-standard house brand or a 24" 1080 screen isn't evidence for anything relevant about "people" as some kind of consistent whole. I already said I've quite annoyed at it. That doesn't mean that the typical consumer can even tell, even if people will hammer them about it. It reminds me of mocking kids in elementary school because my N64 was more powerful than their playstation, only the difference in power for those two was actually larger. Yeah I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I haven't played a lot on my One, and the scaler issues are being reported on gameplay, not my watching Hulu or running video through (where everything looks fine). Though the link you've posted seems to answer your question. My largest experience was the hour or two I got into the Titanfall beta before I got the patch and after, but I think I was distracted by flying around maps.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:43
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ZombieReagan posted:The fact that early games are struggling to hit 1080p on one console and not the other, especially when the tech is more comparable than any other generation before it is the bigger issue really. The early games have shown what most people assumed would be the case given the relative specs of the systems. The resolution is just the easiest one to nail down right now, but as the generation progresses there are going to be more complex things that get offloaded to the GPU that will end up causing problems for the Xbox One overall. The new Infamous game is using the GPU for all of the crazy particle effects, for example. I mean it's not like the Xbox's GPU is some 3DFX 1997 dinosaur. It can handle quite a lot of complex particle systems (which I don't think are really new to consoles). And as far as I can tell the old infamous's used the GPUs for the particle effects too right? Because... isn't that what GPUs do? What am I missing here?
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BonoMan posted:I mean it's not like the Xbox's GPU is some 3DFX 1997 dinosaur. It can handle quite a lot of complex particle systems (which I don't think are really new to consoles). And as far as I can tell the old infamous's used the GPUs for the particle effects too right? Because... isn't that what GPUs do? What am I missing here? I'm sure the xbone can do all the particles, its just that Infamous on the xbone would be 720p. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 03:44
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I'm sure the xbone can do all the particles, its just that Infamous on the xbone would be 720p. Yeah it would, and I'd obviously want it to be 1080p, but it'd still most likely be a comparable experience. People keep trying to paint it like we're just a moment away from the PS4 achieving singularity while the Bone struggles to play Battletoads.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:53
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BonoMan posted:Yeah it would, and I'd obviously want it to be 1080p, but it'd still most likely be a comparable experience and not as if there was a huge gigantic worlds apart rift. Are you saying there isn't a huge difference between 720p and 1080p? Or different scenario: One game is at 30fps and one game is at 60fps, which has a very noticeable difference.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:55
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Are you saying there isn't a huge difference between 720p and 1080p? No for Christ's sake I'm not trying to get into the dreaded resolution trap. I'm saying the games, in my opinion, would most likely have a similar gameplay experience at both 720 and 1080. I'd obviously PREFER 1080, but I'm not going to pretend it's poo poo at 720.
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Feb 18, 2014 03:59
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BonoMan posted:No for Christ's sake I'm not trying to get into the dreaded resolution trap. I'm saying the games, in my opinion, would most likely have a similar gameplay experience at both 720 and 1080. I'd obviously PREFER 1080, but I'm not going to pretend it's poo poo at 720. Right. Ignoring resolution and graphics, as long as they both ran at the same fps then it would be the same gameplay experience. I mean I don't see them cutting out a game mode or lowering a player count for the xbone version of a game.
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Feb 18, 2014 04:01
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Oh good another PlayStation vs Xbox argument. Have at it!  Midee posted:Doesn't the Xbone still gently caress up colors when scaling? What colors get hosed? I've seen loads of platform comparison shots and colors don't seem any different. Or is this the crushed blacks thing?
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Feb 18, 2014 04:06
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Crafty posted:What colors get hosed? I've seen loads of platform comparison shots and colors don't seem any different. Or is this the crushed blacks thing? 
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Feb 18, 2014 04:09
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Annnyyway. Moving away from the "Vs" argument from a gamers point of view... are there any really good techy-as-poo poo articles out there with a good comparison between the two systems? I was reading this article about the supposedly faster SDK becoming available and it started to get into some cool developer stuff and I'd like to learn more about the actual intricacies of the PS4 and Bone. http://www.developer-tech.com/news/2014/feb/17/xbox-one-1080p-comfortably-sdk-update-says-rebellion/
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Feb 18, 2014 04:10
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Midee posted:Hi! Please read the article I just posted! Thanks! edit: Blarg actually I'm gonna stand corrected on this. Hubris! 
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Feb 18, 2014 04:15
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Crafty posted:What colors get hosed? I've seen loads of platform comparison shots and colors don't seem any different. Or is this the crushed blacks thing? Yeah, it's the crushed blacks. Apparently there's been no change on that front with the recent firmware update (i.e. the blacks are still crushed compared to the PS4 versions).
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Feb 18, 2014 04:18
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MJBuddy posted:I already said I've quite annoyed at it. That doesn't mean that the typical consumer can even tell, even if people will hammer them about it. It reminds me of mocking kids in elementary school because my N64 was more powerful than their playstation, only the difference in power for those two was actually larger. MJBuddy posted:It reminds me of mocking kids in elementary school because my N64 was more powerful than their playstation, only the difference in power for those two was actually larger. Let's just call it like it is and not deny that MS missed a clear consumer goal in launch by muddling the issue with the irrelevant suggestion that people could be missing out on the 1080p experience.
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Feb 18, 2014 04:20
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Midee posted:Hi! Please read the article I just posted! Thanks! Yeah, clever. I read it and it had one line that said there were color problems with zero explanation or examples, which is the first I've heard of it. I guess they meant the blacks, which isn't really a color but there you go.
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Crafty posted:Yeah, clever. I read it and it had one line that said there were color problems with zero explanation or examples, which is the first I've heard of it.
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BonoMan posted:Yeah it would, and I'd obviously want it to be 1080p, but it'd still most likely be a comparable experience. People keep trying to paint it like we're just a moment away from the PS4 achieving singularity while the Bone struggles to play Battletoads. To be fair everyone everywhere struggled to play Battletoads. When I was a child my parents had a policy of having to beat whatever game you had before they'd buy you another. One day Battletoads was given to me. It was my last NES game. Sad that all of this is because of the bad decision to go with the slower RAM.
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Midee posted:They specifically said "color balance" which means intensity of colors. I don't know why you're in denial here, but I'm gonna take their word over yours unless you have evidence to the contrary. It's just because some people associate "color balance" with an improper shift in hue or saturation and not brightness and contrast. The article talks about gamma the whole time and then switches it to "color balance" right at the end which kind of sounded confusing since some people associate them with different properties of color (hue/saturation vs brightness/contrast). So it just sounded like they were talking about a new problem and not just referencing the old one. No need to be condescending about it. BonoMan fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Feb 18, 2014 |
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Feb 18, 2014 07:27
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Midee posted:They specifically said "color balance" which means intensity of colors. I don't know why you're in denial here, but I'm gonna take their word over yours unless you have evidence to the contrary. Don't get so excited. I hadn't heard about the ghastly color intensity problems until now. Are they too intense or not intense enough  is there an example that illustrates it?
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Feb 18, 2014 07:53
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Crafty posted:That's the sacrifice you make for having a giant torch glare reflecting on your TV It depends on how much you like multiplayer. I loved the (extremely) short campaign that I beat the day after getting the xbone, but I tried to get into MP for a few days afterwards and bleh. Thankfully Gamestop still has that used game return policy and I used the cash from Ryse to preorder Watchdogs.
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Having both consoles, I'd be very hard pushed to notice a significant difference in colour. It really seems a bit of a storm in a teacup.
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Soonmot posted:It depends on how much you like multiplayer. I loved the (extremely) short campaign that I beat the day after getting the xbone, but I tried to get into MP for a few days afterwards and bleh. Thankfully Gamestop still has that used game return policy and I used the cash from Ryse to preorder Watchdogs. Yeah I played Ryse at a demo booth and enjoyed it. I'm looking at game rental sites so I think I'll go down that route! Can't see myself playing the MP either.
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I honestly don't feel like looking through review sites. Is Plants vs Zombies going to have a single player mode or is it all about being multiplayer like Titanfall?
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Feb 18, 2014 09:41
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Soonmot posted:Is Plants vs Zombies going to have a single player mode or is it all about being multiplayer like Titanfall? Considering the preorder bonuses are booster packs and game coins, it's probably going to be all about in-app purchases. Looks like it's all multiplayer and co-op.
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Soonmot posted:I honestly don't feel like looking through review sites. Is Plants vs Zombies going to have a single player mode or is it all about being multiplayer like Titanfall? There's a couch co-op horde mode which puts you against endless waves of zombies like a tower defense game. http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/01/28/plants-vs-zombies-garden-warfares-horde-mode-is-garden-ops
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Coldforge posted:Considering the preorder bonuses are booster packs and game coins, it's probably going to be all about in-app purchases. gently caress. It actually sounded somewhat interesting until this.
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Crafty posted:Don't get so excited. I hadn't heard about the ghastly color intensity problems until now. Are they too intense or not intense enough The color balance thing is actually there with 360 and PS3 too. Microsoft uses warmer colors than Sony does, and you'll have people who prefer one over the other. Graphics people basically always prefer cool in my experience.
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Aphrodite posted:The color balance thing is actually there with 360 and PS3 too. Microsoft uses warmer colors than Sony does, and you'll have people who prefer one over the other. Yeah I guess these things can be somewhat compensated for in TV settings. Its a bit like when you get a the TV in the showroom set to DYNAMIC and every ones skin tone is a shade more orange than Jersey shore, so's it can demonstrate its ultimate power of vivid color. Its funny how little the majority of people even notice that sort of thing. One thing plants vs zombies has going for it is pricepoint. It's 40 dollars instead of the usual 60. It also looks really fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjLVhqTDJ0 I like the boss battles there and overall the horde mode looks good.
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Crafty posted:Yeah I played Ryse at a demo booth and enjoyed it. I'm looking at game rental sites so I think I'll go down that route! Can't see myself playing the MP either. Yeah, I got Ryse from Gamestop used and returned it when my week was up. Campaign is short but pretty fun outside of the weird turret sections. Multiplayer can be pretty fun too actually, but it gets pretty repetitive. I would recommend just picking it up for a week from Gamestop. I beat the game within 36 hours of purchasing it.
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Crafty posted:One thing plants vs zombies has going for it is pricepoint. It's 40 dollars instead of the usual 60. It also looks really fun https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqjLVhqTDJ0 I like the boss battles there and overall the horde mode looks good. They also said that all map DLC will be free.
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Crafty posted:It's good that Ryse has taken the inevitable price drop. I still can't see myself dropping 40 dollars for a digital copy though. I'll go 25 if you're reading Hryb. At 20 bucks its a fun game still covered in some legacy Kinect garbage. It just doesn't have 60 bucks of content/depth in the single player. Hell the only thing keeping you from nigh-on instantly maxing out all your stats is that there are several dead levels of XP until you hit the one that lets you unlock the final tier of upgrades.
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I worry that if Xbone releases a version without the Kinect bundled that the technology will never achieve its potential. There is so much room for growth with Kinect but Microsoft won't put in the same resources if only half the owners have it. I'd hate for it to only ever be used for shouting 'over here' at some zombies, because that use is just awful.
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Feb 18, 2014 18:10
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Anybody know how I can get my Xbox One to automatically sign in when I turn it on? I know it only takes a couple seconds to click on choose profile but it gets annoying.
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Feb 18, 2014 18:21
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OozieNelson posted:Anybody know how I can get my Xbox One to automatically sign in when I turn it on? I know it only takes a couple seconds to click on choose profile but it gets annoying. I think the only other option is to have Kinect sign you in. I didn't see another choice when I looked the other day.
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SmokeyXIII posted:I worry that if Xbone releases a version without the Kinect bundled that the technology will never achieve its potential. There is so much room for growth with Kinect but Microsoft won't put in the same resources if only half the owners have it. I'd hate for it to only ever be used for shouting 'over here' at some zombies, because that use is just awful. The problem is that right now, there's no gaming reason to have a Kinect included in every Xbone, and the non-gaming reasons are questionable. If Microsoft deems that jettisoning a component that they aren't doing much with in order to reduce the price and try to catch up with the PS4, personally speaking I wouldn't see that as too big of a loss. Of course, first they're going to wait and see on how well Titanfall shifts units. That said, I would not be surprised if the Kinectless SKU would be Microsoft's big reveal in a "comeback" E3 conference.
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Titanfall isn't going to sell a lot of Xbox Ones, since it's coming out on 360 and PC.
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