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Vietnamwees
May 8, 2008

by Fluffdaddy
Did not realize that TitanFall does not have a SP campaign, which I guess is probably a smart move. I'm just kind of disappointed because the whole backdrop of the TitanFall universe seemed like a perfect setting to create a very well written Space Opera with giant robots with guns, but the chances of that actually happening were slim anyway and would probably just wind up as COD in Space.

Vietnamwees fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Feb 17, 2014

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Crafty
Dec 9, 2003

I CAN'T SEE SHIT.












xbox one is the best

Aphrodite posted:

They're only showing the guns though, not the maps.

Its all textures. They don't have any good comparisons unfortunately but if you go to the pic where he's aiming at the enemy and look at the players gloved hands and the enemy metal helmet attachments/shoulder strap its really obvious.

^there's the 'campaign multiplayer' but details are scarce and imagine it won't be a proper substitute for a real single player.

Crafty fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Feb 17, 2014

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

So when I delete an installed game, I can't see any saved data for it anymore. Is it correct to assume that just stays stored in some sort of fancy xbox cloud forever?

King Burgundy
Sep 17, 2003

I am the Burgundy King,
I can do anything!

Maneki Neko posted:

So when I delete an installed game, I can't see any saved data for it anymore. Is it correct to assume that just stays stored in some sort of fancy xbox cloud forever?

When I go into Manage my installed data for Dead Rising I see the game itself, the addons, and then in a seperate grey snap in looking thing, my saved data. If I select that, I see the options "Delete from console or Delete everywhere".

So maybe it defaults to just the delete from console option if you delete the game without managing that seperately?

I'm speaking with no authority on this.

Maneki Neko
Oct 27, 2000

King Burgundy posted:

When I go into Manage my installed data for Dead Rising I see the game itself, the addons, and then in a seperate grey snap in looking thing, my saved data. If I select that, I see the options "Delete from console or Delete everywhere".

So maybe it defaults to just the delete from console option if you delete the game without managing that seperately?

I'm speaking with no authority on this.

Yeah, that's what I was assuming, a more comprehensive storage view would still be nice.

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.

Crafty posted:

^there's the 'campaign multiplayer' but details are scarce and imagine it won't be a proper substitute for a real single player.

I was fairly sure that back around E3 when this was announced, they described something fairly similar to Brink's concept of 'campaign multiplayer', is that not the case? Or at least, what Brink's was pitched and advertised as.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Vietnamwees posted:

Did not realize that TitanFall does not have a SP campaign, which I guess is probably a smart move. I'm just kind of disappointed because the whole backdrop of the TitanFall universe seemed like a perfect setting to create a very well written Space Opera with giant robots with guns, but the chances of that actually happening were slim anyway and would probably just wind up as COD in Space.

Campaign multiplayer may be interesting. I was excited but now I'm just skeptical. It feels seems like a natural shift from the tutorial to it being the goal but its a very fixed concept of one game type per map and it will always be that game type. I wanted a wide variety of stories depending on map outcomes that drove the story based on results. Those two things may flow together but it seems much more by the numbers one map after another but with a different match ending cut scene or something. We'll see.

Also I love those dumb CoD single player campaigns with their set pieces, so there's that to be bummed about.

fuckpot
May 20, 2007

Lurking beneath the water
The future Immortal awaits

Team Anasta
How is the xbone controller? I've always loved the feel and layout of the xbox controllers and need to buy a new one for my PC. Is it significantly better/worse than the 360 model? Also when is it expected to be released on PC?

Doflamingo
Sep 20, 2006

fuckpot posted:

How is the xbone controller? I've always loved the feel and layout of the xbox controllers and need to buy a new one for my PC. Is it significantly better/worse than the 360 model? Also when is it expected to be released on PC?

By most accounts it took a few steps forward and a few steps back, more specifically the d-pad is a lot better but the triggers are bit mushy and the construction feels cheap on the whole. Either way I don't think there will be PC drivers available anytime soon so it might be best to stick with the 360 controller for now or get a DS4 which works flawlessly on a PC with some unofficial drivers.

Doflamingo fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Feb 17, 2014

withoutclass
Nov 6, 2007

Resist the siren call of rhinocerosness

College Slice

fuckpot posted:

How is the xbone controller? I've always loved the feel and layout of the xbox controllers and need to buy a new one for my PC. Is it significantly better/worse than the 360 model? Also when is it expected to be released on PC?

I love it. The sticks, dpad, triggers and buttons all feel better to me. Easier to push and manage. It feels like it fits better in my hands as well, especially after extended playtime.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
My Xbone is reporting that my download and upload speeds are about half of what they actually are. I've got her connected via ethernet. The NAT is open. Any ideas?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Doflamingo posted:

By most accounts it took a few steps forward and a few steps back, more specifically the d-pad is a lot better but the triggers are bit mushy and the construction feels cheap on the whole. Either way I don't think there will be PC drivers available anytime soon so it might be best to stick with the 360 controller for now or get a DS4 which works flawlessly on a PC with some unofficial drivers.

Not quite sure where you're getting all that. Construction feels just as solid as the 360's to me, triggers feel the same (not mushy at all), and it took approximately 0 seconds to get used to it. It feels just like I'm using the 360's controller to be honest. In use there is virtually zero difference.

BonoMan fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Feb 17, 2014

Shalinor
Jun 10, 2002

Can I buy you a rootbeer?

BonoMan posted:

No construction doesn't feel cheap on the whole at all. Where are you getting that? It feels easily just as solid as the 360 controller. There were a few people in here that felt like it was separating somewhere on the grip somewhere but from what I can tell that isn't widespread.

Also the triggers feel exactly like the 360's to me and not even a little bit mushy (not really a complaint I've heard).
The first thing I thought when I pulled the controller out of the box was "huh, the plastic feels cheap." The second was "eww, the triggers seem squishy - I guess that's because of the stupid rumble, maybe." I'd been holding a 360 controller within the last hour. Dunno dude, different people have different takes. But it does feel cheap to me. The plastic feels a lot like what you get from rapid-printed prototypes, and it wouldn't surprise me if they update their manufacturing processes for future runs.

As was mentioned though, the d-pad is fantastic, and I don't really have an issue with the controller as a whole. The d-pad being better makes the whole thing better in my eyes already. But the plastic and the triggers did seem cheapy feeling.

EDIT: I'm almost positive I have a day-one edition, so that could be the difference.

Shalinor fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Feb 17, 2014

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Shalinor posted:

Dunno dude, different people have different takes. But it does feel cheap to me. The plastic feels a lot like what you get from rapid-printed prototypes, and it wouldn't surprise me if they update their manufacturing processes for future runs.


I'm all down for different strokes for different folks but this is just absurd.

I just went and compared the two controllers again and, maybe I just got a good one, but they felt really similar in build quality and plastic grade.

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



WattsvilleBlues posted:

My Xbone is reporting that my download and upload speeds are about half of what they actually are. I've got her connected via ethernet. The NAT is open. Any ideas?
Her?
Is your internet connection working properly right now or is it just that device? Check speedtest for a rough idea.

BonoMan posted:

I'm all down for different strokes for different folks but this is just absurd.

I just went and compared the two controllers again and, maybe I just got a good one, but they felt really similar in build quality and plastic grade.
Have you tried washing your hands first? Grease may be a factor in your comparisons.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:



Have you tried washing your hands first? Grease may be a factor in your comparisons.

You're right. Maybe I should pop over to an Intel lab somewhere and bring it into a clean room so I can get a proper tactile inspection.

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



BonoMan posted:

You're right. Maybe I should pop over to an Intel lab somewhere and bring it into a clean room so I can get a proper tactile inspection.
Make sure both are fresh products as well, can't have degraded plastic influencing this serious issue.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

They changed the trigger and bumper spacing on the Bone controller a bit so that if you hold it 'deep' it can be difficult to press the bumpers without also pressing the trigger.

I've always held it a bit looser, higher on the grips (or lower from my perspective) so that's not a problem from me, but I know from the endless controller debates we've had that not everyone does.


Also the joysticks are less springy closer to center than they are on the 360.

VincesUndies
Jul 18, 2002

Vince McMahon's Underpants

Doflamingo posted:

or get a DS4 which works flawlessly on a PC with some unofficial drivers.

I've read the battery life is terrible on the DS4. Probably best to just stick with the 360 controller.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Aphrodite posted:

They changed the trigger and bumper spacing on the Bone controller a bit so that if you hold it 'deep' it can be difficult to press the bumpers without also pressing the trigger.

I've always held it a bit looser, higher on the grips (or lower from my perspective) so that's not a problem from me, but I know from the endless controller debates we've had that not everyone does.


Also the joysticks are less springy closer to center than they are on the 360.

I've got two controllers now. Second just came in.

I agree on the bumper spacing. Now I press it with the inside of my finger due to trigger depth. The One Controller is lighter than the 360.

But both of my controllers disconnect randomly most likely when my phones push for data. One does it much worse than the other. My new controller is also much less sensitive to the right Thumbstick movement so it feels just really loose compared to my in-box one, which is very responsive. No idea what's up but was a bit annoyed with it.

arhra
Jun 27, 2006
I've heard some complaints from people who had the Day One editions (or otherwise-bought-immediately-at-launch systems) that the controllers felt a bit creaky and cheap, but the controller I got with mine last week feels absolutely rock-solid. Wouldn't exactly be surprising if the initial batch had slightly looser QA to make sure they had sufficient stock for launch.

The triggers feel almost identical to the 360 triggers to me (other than the obvious shape differences and presence of the rumble motors), spring tension feels very slightly lower, but otherwise very similar in feel, and a nice (and quiet) slightly rubberized stop at the end of the throw rather than the clacky plastic-on-plastic stop on the 360 (also, so far they don't seem likely to start squeaking like the triggers on all my 360 pads eventually did). When someone says "mushy triggers", I think of the ones on the DS3, which are a goddamn abomination, and the One's are nothing like those at all.

The only thing I don't like about it is the glossy plastic around the home button, but that's just because it's a goddamn fingerprint magnet :argh: (also, I keep hitting the menu button instead when trying to go back to the home screen thanks to 8 years of ingrained 360 muscle memory).

The major sticking point for some people might be the bumpers - thanks to the way they're hinged, depending on how you hold the pad, you'll either barely notice a difference from the 360 pad (if you hit the bumper at the outer edge with the side of your trigger finger or whatever), or find them completely unusable (if you move your finger over to the bumper and try to hit the inside edge with your fingertip).

But as was said, there aren't any PC drivers yet, so it's a non-starter for that use-case anyway right now (although I think they said "early 2014" for the drivers, so hopefully it won't be for too long).

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

Her?
Is your internet connection working properly right now or is it just that device? Check speedtest for a rough idea.

Yeah my PC maxes my connection out without issue.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

Make sure both are fresh products as well, can't have degraded plastic influencing this serious issue.

Actually I am gonna take back my trigger comments. They are mushier upon further investigation. I guess one of my 360 controllers is just getting worn out or something.



Anyway...switching from Controller Chat. On to Resolution Chat!

http://kotaku.com/the-ps4-however-has-a-resolution-of-1080p-and-a-fram-1524256059

MGS V is 720 on the Bone. Yay. I'm sure there's been discussion of this, but is the 720/1080 thing more of an issue of the GPU (although the PS4's is stronger, both seem capable of doing 1080p yeah?) or allocated resources to the Bone's "media experience?" It's disappointing nonetheless. I hope they get it solved within a year (and that's generous).

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

BonoMan posted:

http://kotaku.com/the-ps4-however-has-a-resolution-of-1080p-and-a-fram-1524256059

MGS V is 720 on the Bone. Yay. I'm sure there's been discussion of this, but is the 720/1080 thing more of an issue of the GPU (although the PS4's is stronger, both seem capable of doing 1080p yeah?) or allocated resources to the Bone's "media experience?" It's disappointing nonetheless. I hope they get it solved within a year (and that's generous).

Strange thing is that apparently the PS4's GPU is cheaper than the Xbone's.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

BonoMan posted:


MGS V is 720 on the Bone. Yay. I'm sure there's been discussion of this, but is the 720/1080 thing more of an issue of the GPU (although the PS4's is stronger, both seem capable of doing 1080p yeah?) or allocated resources to the Bone's "media experience?"

Yes.

E: It's also a bad initial SDK which supposedly has been replaced. Microsoft still doesn't think 1080p means that much because it's a pretty horrible return for power on TVs. Requiring a lot more in resources to get a resolution that most people can't see the difference in. Frame Rate should be the gold standard and I'd be fine if they just shifted to 720p/60 fps as a goal instead of bothering with 900p and such. 1080p is very important in PC gaming but most people who say it matters in TVs would be hard pressed to visually even see a difference unless they're sporting a giant TV and sitting close to it.

MJBuddy fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Feb 17, 2014

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



BonoMan posted:

Anyway...switching from Controller Chat. On to Resolution Chat!

http://kotaku.com/the-ps4-however-has-a-resolution-of-1080p-and-a-fram-1524256059

MGS V is 720 on the Bone. Yay. I'm sure there's been discussion of this, but is the 720/1080 thing more of an issue of the GPU (although the PS4's is stronger, both seem capable of doing 1080p yeah?) or allocated resources to the Bone's "media experience?" It's disappointing nonetheless. I hope they get it solved within a year (and that's generous).
This is going to open a can of worms if you want an honest answer here.

WattsvilleBlues posted:

Strange thing is that apparently the PS4's GPU is cheaper than the Xbone's.
The APU [CPU+GPU] is cheaper. This is due to the 32MB of eSRAM [embedded SRAM] taking up so much space on the die that the GPU is gimped. This can be explained better and with more detail but it's asking for a probation going by previous threads.
e: That's to say nothing of your edit MJBuddy...

Wiggly Wayne DDS fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Feb 17, 2014

Doflamingo
Sep 20, 2006

VincesUndies posted:

I've read the battery life is terrible on the DS4. Probably best to just stick with the 360 controller.

Yeah the battery life is pretty terrible from what I've heard; I just use it wired since I'm sitting right next to the PC anyway.


MJBuddy posted:

Yes.

E: It's also a bad initial SDK which supposedly has been replaced. Microsoft still doesn't think 1080p means that much because it's a pretty horrible return for power on TVs. Requiring a lot more in resources to get a resolution that most people can't see the difference in. Frame Rate should be the gold standard and I'd be fine if they just shifted to 720p/60 fps as a goal instead of bothering with 900p and such. 1080p is very important in PC gaming but most people who say it matters in TVs would be hard pressed to visually even see a difference unless they're sporting a giant TV and sitting close to it.

It's actually quite noticeable to anyone with working eyes. Perhaps less so than 30fps vs 60fps but we're still talking about more than double the pixels which is a big, big difference.

Doflamingo fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Feb 17, 2014

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

VincesUndies posted:

I've read the battery life is terrible on the DS4. Probably best to just stick with the 360 controller.

The drivers let you adjust the LED, which is the big power draw.

Also if you're using it wired the battery doesn't matter.

Ronald Duck
Jun 26, 2005
My mum says I’m cool.
Ryse Son of Rome will be on sale for $39.99 from the 18th to the 24th. The dlc will be on sale from the 25th to the 27th. http://news.xbox.com/2014/02/games-ryse-mars-pack

Ronald Duck fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Feb 17, 2014

xylo
Feb 21, 2007
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WattsvilleBlues posted:

My Xbone is reporting that my download and upload speeds are about half of what they actually are. I've got her connected via ethernet. The NAT is open. Any ideas?
Currently, the connection u/d numbers are how fast you can download from a nearby CDN and how after you can uploaded to a regional datacenter (you're upload will end up going to an Azure datacenter). Location (latency and tcp overhead) will impact the results greatly.

You should get close to, if not around the same type of results if you use the Network Speed Test app. NAT type should have no impact.

vvvvv Silly factors like "SpeedBoost" and other front loaded bandwidth systems can also impact results. Don't fixate on the number too much unless it's reporting that you're only getting something terrible like 1kb/s u/d.

xylo fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Feb 17, 2014

FuSchnick
Jun 6, 2001

Scruffy's gonna die the way he lived...

WattsvilleBlues posted:

My Xbone is reporting that my download and upload speeds are about half of what they actually are. I've got her connected via ethernet. The NAT is open. Any ideas?
Easy answer: That test is not very accurate. I've run it multiple times and gotten huge variance in the results.

Fergus Mac Roich
Nov 5, 2008

Soiled Meat

VincesUndies posted:

I've read the battery life is terrible on the DS4. Probably best to just stick with the 360 controller.

The battery life is about 7-9 hours on the DS4 playing a regular PS4 game. No idea what it's like with the LED turned off. If it's all the same anyway a 360 pad with Eneloops will indeed last several times longer.

VincesUndies
Jul 18, 2002

Vince McMahon's Underpants

Fergus Mac Roich posted:

The battery life is about 7-9 hours on the DS4 playing a regular PS4 game

Ouch, that is pretty short. I like to play PC games on my TV so I can lounge on a sofa. My PC is about 20 feet away so it plugging in the controller is out of the question. At least with the Eneloops I can swap them between my 360 controller and my Xbone one.

big mean giraffe
Dec 13, 2003

Eat Shit and Die

Lipstick Apathy

VincesUndies posted:

Ouch, that is pretty short. I like to play PC games on my TV so I can lounge on a sofa. My PC is about 20 feet away so it plugging in the controller is out of the question. At least with the Eneloops I can swap them between my 360 controller and my Xbone one.

It uses a MicroUSB plug, so you can use your phone charger plugged into a wall or something.

Crafty
Dec 9, 2003

I CAN'T SEE SHIT.












xbox one is the best

VincesUndies posted:

Ouch, that is pretty short. I like to play PC games on my TV so I can lounge on a sofa. My PC is about 20 feet away so it plugging in the controller is out of the question. At least with the Eneloops I can swap them between my 360 controller and my Xbone one.

That's the sacrifice you make for having a giant torch glare reflecting on your TV :v:

There's a microusb on the bone controller too but I haven't used it as I'm a part of the eneloop elite.

It's good that Ryse has taken the inevitable price drop. I still can't see myself dropping 40 dollars for a digital copy though. I'll go 25 if you're reading Hryb.

hanyolo
Jul 18, 2013
I am an employee of the Microsoft Gaming Division and they pay me to defend the Xbox One on the Something Awful Forums

BonoMan posted:

MGS V is 720 on the Bone. Yay. I'm sure there's been discussion of this, but is the 720/1080 thing more of an issue of the GPU (although the PS4's is stronger, both seem capable of doing 1080p yeah?) or allocated resources to the Bone's "media experience?" It's disappointing nonetheless. I hope they get it solved within a year (and that's generous).

It won't get "solved" but the differences should become less as developers get used to the SDK and the different RAM layout on the xbox. There's no way to magically create extra performance out of an inferior GPU/CPU. Best case scenario you're hoping for 900p xbox / 1080p PS4 in the future. Worst case multiplat developers give up on the bone completely or continue to do 720p. Luckily both consoles are cheaper this gen :v:

Midee
Jun 22, 2000

Aphrodite posted:

The drivers let you adjust the LED, which is the big power draw.

Also if you're using it wired the battery doesn't matter.

It also lets you use the touchpad as a mouse trackpad. It's not the greatest but it gets the job done as a mouse replacement, and feels alright once you turn the sensitivity down. For what started out as a hack job, they're really getting the drivers down pretty well.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

MJBuddy posted:

1080p is very important in PC gaming but most people who say it matters in TVs would be hard pressed to visually even see a difference unless they're sporting a giant TV and sitting close to it.
Assuming display size : viewing distance to be higher for PC monitors than TVs makes for an unfair test of the claim that people "can't" see a difference.
Average display sizes go up year after year anyway so you can take it as given that appreciation for the visual difference between 720p and 1080p will also rise and with 4k sets on display at major retailers from Best Buy to Sears and Wal-Mart, I'm sure people approaching them to see how good the sets are get some intuitive grasp of the concept that distance is something they should take into account at home. Although I'd expect awareness of something like that to be higher among gamers, anyway.

1080p is a standard feature easily reachable by hardware and MS slipped up. They (or developers) need to fix it, not have people apologize for them.

MJBuddy
Sep 22, 2008

Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Hogburto posted:

Assuming display size : viewing distance to be higher for PC monitors than TVs makes for an unfair test of the claim that people "can't" see a difference.
Average display sizes go up year after year anyway so you can take it as given that appreciation for the visual difference between 720p and 1080p will also rise and with 4k sets on display at major retailers from Best Buy to Sears and Wal-Mart, I'm sure people approaching them to see how good the sets are get some intuitive grasp of the concept that distance is something they should take into account at home. Although I'd expect awareness of something like that to be higher among gamers, anyway.

1080p is a standard feature easily reachable by hardware and MS slipped up. They (or developers) need to fix it, not have people apologize for them.

It's really not, which is evidenced by people buying Insignia sets and not Plasmas in the first place. I'll take a 720p plasma over a 1080p 60hz LED but I can tell you which one sells better.

People know nothing about TVs. And there even being a market for 24 inch 1080ps kinda proves it since you'd have to sit basically with your nose on the screen to tell the difference between it and 720p.

I say this as someone with a large screen 1080p Plasma and tons of research and setup on it, who is actually annoyed at the whole One being sub-1080p. I'm also an incredibly niche market, and worse I'm the budget end of that market when the valuable parts of it have massive budgets compared to me.

One of the best features of the One is the built-in calibration tool for TVs. How many people have run that? Probably not many at all.

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Midee
Jun 22, 2000

MJBuddy posted:

One of the best features of the One is the built-in calibration tool for TVs. How many people have run that? Probably not many at all.

Doesn't the Xbone still gently caress up colors when scaling?

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