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Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Cannot Find Server posted:

If/when this happens, are they going to do a dashboard update to make it less horrible to navigate without the Kinect?

While I would certainly hope that they would do that, I would also not expect it.

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Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Napolean Bonerfarts posted:

After the update I looked at the amount of disk space I have on my hard drive and I have like a little more than 250 GB remaining. I have two retail games, two arcade games,CoD Ghosts Onslaught DLC, some apps like YouTube, Fitness, etc. and the TitanFall beta installed. What the heck? Surely the system partition isn't taking up the rest of this.

Probably the retail games that are eating the space.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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hanyolo posted:

I'm just glad they didn't go with a micro transaction model and priced the game at $30 with pay to win burn cards / xp boosts / etc.

I will be entirely unsurprised if they patch in pay to win microtransactions. It's the EA way! :911:

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Well, I guess that's one way of curing the "Xbox Turn Off Yes" trolling.

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Aug 7, 2013

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Crafty posted:

What colors get hosed? I've seen loads of platform comparison shots and colors don't seem any different. Or is this the crushed blacks thing?

Yeah, it's the crushed blacks. Apparently there's been no change on that front with the recent firmware update (i.e. the blacks are still crushed compared to the PS4 versions).

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Aug 7, 2013

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SmokeyXIII posted:

I worry that if Xbone releases a version without the Kinect bundled that the technology will never achieve its potential. There is so much room for growth with Kinect but Microsoft won't put in the same resources if only half the owners have it. I'd hate for it to only ever be used for shouting 'over here' at some zombies, because that use is just awful.

The problem is that right now, there's no gaming reason to have a Kinect included in every Xbone, and the non-gaming reasons are questionable. If Microsoft deems that jettisoning a component that they aren't doing much with in order to reduce the price and try to catch up with the PS4, personally speaking I wouldn't see that as too big of a loss.

Of course, first they're going to wait and see on how well Titanfall shifts units. That said, I would not be surprised if the Kinectless SKU would be Microsoft's big reveal in a "comeback" E3 conference.

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Aug 7, 2013

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big mean giraffe posted:

Titanfall isn't going to sell a lot of Xbox Ones, since it's coming out on 360 and PC.

Which is why I wouldn't be too surprised if they announced a Kinectless SKU at E3. :v: But seriously, with the PS4 running past 5 million and the Xbone estimated to be about 3.5 million, it's getting to the stage where they really has to do *something*.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Aphrodite posted:

No, there's no reason at all to preorder AAA games.

Fix'd. But seriously, unless it's an indie game or a niche publisher (or a limited edition from a niche publisher), don't do it.

Shalinor posted:

It kinda makes you wonder if consoles will hit anything near an 8 year cycle this time. Seems like the XB One will be especially creaky in 8 years, and both having gone for a more reasonable price (once the Kinectless SKU hits) means a shorter generation has less sting.
Eh, I'd be inclined to disagree. Ignoring inflation, the PS4 launched for about the same money as the "with hard drive" edition of the 360 did, and the launch price didn't stop developers wringing every last drop of power out of the 360 (or the PS3, for that matter). The big problem is that right now, the Xbone is more expensive than the PS4 for no good reason, which is being reflected in the sale figures. But then again, both consoles are pretty drat weak compared to PC hardware: we're seeing £150 graphics cards that can outperform the Xbone on stuff like Titanfall already.

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Aug 7, 2013

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FuSchnick posted:

IMPORTANT NOTE: The March update is going to include a significant rework of the Party app. If you beta test this release, you probably won't be able to join parties or do party chat with non-preview consoles.

This is expected, since this is the "fixing the parties and multiplayer" update.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Apparently, the Titanfall preload page was put up "in error". Which makes sense, since a near three week preload is a bit long.

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Aug 7, 2013

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Don Lapre posted:

Didn't they already give the uk fifa?

Yup, and that's precisely why they aren't throwing early adopters a bone. (pun unintended)

quote:

We're hugely appreciative and we'd like to thank everyone who has supported us since launch. What I would say is that the majority of the consoles purchased since launch have included a game. Earlier we were offering Forza 5 or FIFA and this latest offer has been timed to coincide with the launch of Titanfall.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/450739/interviews/qa-xbox-one-price-cut-and-free-titanfall-promo/

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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RE: region locking: I've also heard a report from a GAF user in China finding his copy of Dead Rising 3 he bought in the US Xbone Marketplace via adding credit bought at Amazon.com retroactively locking him out due to region errors. It could be genuinely an error, but I think it's probably region locking.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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I'll give Microsoft credit: for the first time since launch an Xbone variant is outselling the PS4 on Amazon UK. The big question is how long that can last.

RE: GameStop UK's deal: they're always been undercutting the RRP (by virtue of actually being GameStop Ireland and having to pay less tax compared to a mainland site), and had been selling the Xbone in the region of £400 before the price cut (they're currently taking pre-orders for the PS4 at £330, a twenty pound discount off RRP). It's kinda telling that they too cut the price instead of padding out their margins.

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Aug 7, 2013

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sba posted:

I had no idea it was a niche game (I know very little about it honestly), I know that the games sell for a shitload on ebay, I was trying to find P3 for a decent price for awhile. I assumed it was pretty popular because of that.
Sadly, the JRPG has gotten into the state where if a game in the genre doesn't have "Final Fantasy" on the box, it's considered very niche. That said: I wouldn't be too surprised if Persona 5 gives Lightning Returns a run for its money in terms of Japanese sales.

On topic: apparently EA's planning to add in microtransactions to PvZ Garden Warfare, which is a bit of a dirty trick considering that it's currently being praised for not having any microtransactions.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Funkmaster General posted:

It's stupid to call people out for calling it "the one," because that is literally what it is called. You don't have to like the name of something to use it in a sentence. Just because people around here like to refer to it as the bone doesn't mean that it's unacceptable to call it what it is actually named.

The problem is that there is a high correlation between "people who unironically refer to the Xbox One computer entertainment system as "The One"" and "extreme Microsoft fanboys".

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Aug 7, 2013

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Shalinor posted:

They're more willing to kick little devs the help they need than Sony is right now, which is about polar opposite what you'd expect from the press Sony is putting out / the giant foot that MS keeps cramming in their own mouth. It would cost me quite a bit more to bring our game to PS4 than it will to XB One, to the point that we really can't afford PS4 at this point.

Let me guess: a large portion of this is Unity licensing costs, and that Sony is the only console manufacturer to not pay for said licence if you get accepted into the relevant "approved developer" scheme. In addition, each individual PlayStation format has its own separate Unity Pro upgrade and it's corresponding $2,000 fee, and hence if you want to make a PS3/PS4/Vita game you'll be out $6k.

[Edit] I'd imagine that this would fall under the NDA, but: have they got rid of the launch parity clause yet?

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Aug 7, 2013

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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

So is text input the same as the old consoles? I'm surprised the daisywheel approach hasn't gotten more popular:


Yeah, both use the traditional keyboards, which strikes me as a huge missed opportunity (unless it turns out Valve has a patent on the daisywheel, in which case oh well).

At least the PS4 has a touchpad to make it slightly less clunky, but I still wouldn't even use Twitter with it.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Shalinor posted:

(moving this over from the Games thread)

Yup. It's why a lot of us in the program are keeping mum on hard release plans. There are a lot of problems with ID@Xbox, and it isn't clear yet if they can be worked around by we smaller devs.

Sony would be in a great position here to go "hey!" and sweep a lot of Microsoft's game support by making a few relatively cheap concessions. I doubt they will (they have plenty of support as is), but it would be a cute little cherry on top of their pro-indie marketing thus far.

In any case, what Microsoft is asking right now is more than most are willing to offer. They caved for Vlambeer, and if they don't do the same for others of us, you can expect that "big list of indies signed up!" to dwindle to nothing. Which'd be sad.

Yeah, as I understand it there's basically no downside to signing up for ID@Xbox (free dev kit, hence why everyone and their pet dogs are signing up for it), but the release parity clause is a big roadblock to actually releasing anything if you've already got a deal with Sony. I wouldn't be too surprised if that gets swept away sooner rather than later, but as it is it's hamstung the Xbone's digital lineup for the short to medium term.

On the other side of the fence, Sony's got the advantage of a couple of third party development houses that seems to be specialising in porting indie games to Sony platforms (namely, Curve and DoubleEleven, Amusingly, Curve's handling the Vita port of Mousecraft that's resulted in Crunching Koalas getting their knickers in a twist over aforementioned release parity clause). As you point out though, it's not like Sony's hurting for indie support (or actual games announced).

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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WinnebagoWarrior posted:

Well I wasnt saying that there is a lack of new stuff to play on the PS4 (as is the case with both systems), I was saying there wasnt anything to begin with. Everyone who bought either system on launch is bored right now, not just PS4 people. All I was saying was that Forza/Dead Rising/Ryse was a better exclusive launch line up than Resogun/Killzone/Knack in my own opinion which is why I bought the system. None of my own personal PS4 owning buddies liked or were interested in any of the PS4 exclusives. I was talking about playing games at and around launch, not right now. We are all in the doldrums now until Titanfall and Infamous come out.

I do have to admit, I'm looking at the Xbone line-up, and I ain't seeing much. There's Titanfall, there's Worms, there's Nutjitsu, there's Metal Gear V Prologue and then there's more or less nothing until November. The PS4 has Infamous, Drive Club, aforementioned Worms and Metal Gear and a whole pile of indie ports. I wouldn't be too surprised if "Xbone has no gaems" become a common refrain in the summer due to Microsoft being really slow to get out of the gates of courting indie developers.

[Edit] Oh, and completely forgot that Destiny is September, so there's that.

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Aug 7, 2013

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KittyEmpress posted:

Where they will also be better because the PS4 is more powerful.
Microsoft needs to get out the real system selling sequel here - fusion frenzy 2. Halo? Nah. Gears of War? Nope. Fusion Frenzy. Unironically.
Or I guess Halo 5 and GoW 4 even though the most recent versions of those games have been kinda bad.

Edit: I'm not trolling, and to prove that I'll say that I think the Xbox One could at least be a good secondary console, much like the Wii, if it was cheaper and had even a few good exclusives. I'll buy one a few years down the line in that case. Fusion Frenzy is one of those 'party' games that I expect Kinect would be great for, since I wont be getting a playstation camera, but would have to get a Kinect.

Both consoles have lovely launch titles and very few exclusives in the future though, I can't defend the PS4 as literally none of the exclusives appealed to me (Peggle 2 slightly appealed to me, but not 500 dollars worth of appeal)

Yeah, that's my big problem with the system. If you don't have a gaming PC, PS4 is generally better with the multiplatform games, is cheaper, doesn't require a subscription for anything outside of multiplayer (and even then there's exceptions) and gives you better games with your $60/year multiplayer subscription, plus if you have a PS3 and/or a Vita there's a non-zero chance that you are going to inadvertently pick up a couple of PS4 ports anyway, plus a whole heap of niche Japanese exclusives later down the line if that floats your boat. All Xbone has is their exclusives, which some people prefer.

I'll admit, I've got neither a PS4 nor a Xbone, but I'll probably buy a PS4 first, partly because of the above, partly because of PS+, which I intend to renew this year. The Xbone, if I ever buy it, will always be the second string console. Frankly? I'll probably buy a WiiU first, at least it won't nag me to take out another £40/year subscription every time I switch it on.

Chappy posted:

watch dogs, the division, dying light, witcher 3, trials, minecraft.
Completely forgot about them, but to be frank I'll be surprised if anything in that list except Trials and Minecraft make it out before August. The Division is apparently likely to miss 2014 wholesale, for example.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Chappy posted:

I know that we want to bring backwards compatibility at some point. I have no idea when though, or if that's still an option. It was said by someone high up before launch.

Personally that's why I want a PS4, cause of that service that will let you play all the old PS games. Hopefully we can do something similar. Playing some mechassault and kotor would be pretty awesome.

I'm skeptical about PSNow. Not so much the technical side of things (I played a couple of demos back when it was still Gaikai, and it was pretty drat solid. That was a couple of years ago, so the tech will probably have improved by then), but rather the business model and availability of games. Then again, there's been some really big games delivered to PS+ really quickly, so who knows.

(Although, if the only thing about the PS4 that you're interested in is PSNow, you might as well get a PS3, since it's coming to that too. :v:)

Delusibeta
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Rookersh posted:

Yeah. I know I'm in the minority here, but I collect games. I want to go back and play them several times. I love going back to classics just for another run, because most of them are still just as good as they were when they came out. It's why I'm such a diehard PC gamer, because I can ( and did ) just go back to Star Trek Elite Force, or HoMM3 and go through them again with very little effort when bored.

The lack of backwards compatibility for both consoles was just depressing for me.

I can understand the business reasons why (native backwards compatibility would require each console to ship with the previous gen inside the box due to the infrastructure requirements, which would be a big cost increase and a technical headache), but it would have been nice to see.


I presume there's going to be Windows 8 support for that. :v:

(But seriously, PSNow is pitched as more of a OnLive-esque "your collection everywhere" type affair and supports tablets and televisions. A Microsoft equivalent will probably follow suit in wide compatibility)

Ularg posted:

The biggest hurdle of PSNow or any similar service is video quality and input lag. If they can get passed that then you are good to go. They've advertised PSNow as being able to play Playstation games on your tablet, PS3, PS4 PC. So maybe you'll be able to even play playstation exclusives on the Xbone. :v:

Yeah. From my experiences back in the day, I didn't really have any complaints. Admittedly, I didn't play anything that would require fast reflexes, nor anything multiplayer, and I doubt that it was anywhere near 720p60, but still. I can see it surprising some people, Gaikai tech was pretty good a few years ago, and I wouldn't be too surprised if it's even better now.

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Crafty posted:

With the twitch integration imminent you could potentially snap the twitch app and watch things from your buddies POV as well as your own. I was always checking my friends screen when we'd play halo split screen co-op online, it helps get a better picture of where people are. It could also be kind of awesome for a helicopter pilot and the gunner in BF4, they wouldn't have to describe what to shoot at, you could just show them. No idea how this would play out with the twitch delay and factoring in lag though. Might work better for slow moving games.

I can't see that worked in anything outside of turn based strategy games, since the stream in question will probably be 30+ seconds behind.

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Aug 7, 2013

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univbee posted:

Currently stream delays are in the 30-45 second range; it was a huge problem with AGDQ whenever a game dev would call because they wouldn't have the slightest clue where the streamer had gotten to, although it did result in some hilarity via delayed reactions. Someone found some settings that you can tweak to reduce the delay to about 15 seconds; ultimately Twitch got really bogged down by all the PS4's that started streaming and have been scrambling to improve things since then.

Yeah, which is a large part of the reason why I'm skeptical over the claims that the Xbone version of Twitch will allow achieving, since the PS4 launch beat the stuffing out of Twitch and I'm not convinced the Xbone Twitch launch won't completely knock the site over.

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Aug 7, 2013

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Crafty posted:

Surely with all the extra viewers comes all that extra lovely advertising money. "Too many customers!" is a terrible, terrible excuse for anything ever not working correctly, so maybe they've bought a load more servers.

The problem is that they basically haven't added any servers. Twitch always has been on the verge of collapsing into a crumpled heap, really struggled with the PS4 launch and haven't really recovered from that.

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Laserface posted:

The update rollout should at least consider that if you have friends with the update applied, and then force it on its own.

My friend got it on the night of the 5th however I didn't get mine until well into yesterday. It was poo poo because we wanted to play a game together but couldn't join each other in party chat to talk at all.

Compared to the 360, whereby on update day everyone got kicked off Xbox Live and weren't allowed back on until they downloaded the update, which I don't believe ever resulted in the servers dying. PS3 does the same (except with PSN, obviously), and as I understand it the PS4 does as well. The fact that the Xbone had to roll out updates over a couple of days with no way for people to manually force the update (which in this case would have been really useful) indicate zero confidence in their infrastructure. Which is bad news for Titanfall, since they're relying on said infrastructure.

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It's not like paying for a prologue is a particularly new idea (see also Gran Turismo 5 Prologue), but what really grinds my gears about it is that it's apparently really short. As in, practically-everyone-can-beat-it-in-one-sitting short.

Will probably pick it up in the inevitable Phantom Pain + Ground Zeroes + all DLC bundle.

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Raskolnikov2089 posted:

Earth Defence Force isn't coming to the Xbox One? :(

It's more that outside of the stuff by big publishers and stuff that's bankrolled by Microsoft themselves, I wouldn't expect any games developed by Japanese developers coming to the Xbone. Hell, there was an interview last week where the producer of the Blazblue series said he had no idea when the console will be available in Japan, despite sending inquiries to Microsoft.

Crafty posted:

pvz (missing from your list).
Timed exclusive.

Crafty posted:

Canadian news tonight reporting that kids can view live streams on their PS4 'with NO parental controls!!'
No indication that won't also be true for the Xbone.

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Crafty posted:

The latest game just got released on the 360 though. They said no more Xbox console games?
The upcoming Blazblue game is coming to PS3/Vita, and the upcoming Guilty Gear game is coming to PS3/PS4. Amusingly, the Persona 4 Arena sequel is PS3/360 (despite the original Persona 4 Arena being the only vaguely Shin Megami Tensi related thing to appear on Microsoft consoles), but it's quite clear where ArcSys is heading.

[Edit] Oh, you mean EDF. No, they haven't said anything about where the next in the series is going (other than PS4, obviously), but previous post stands: I would not expect it to come to the Xbone since Microsoft isn't doing a particular great job at handling Japan this time round.

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virtualboyCOLOR posted:

How does it handle snapping?

As I understand it, it only switches to 50Hz when it's on "HDMI in" mode, and only when it's full screen. Snap something else in and it's back to 60Hz mode, which means judder city if you're watching PAL television.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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Roll on the Digital Foundry article. I reckon they'll flat out say "they really should have stuck to 720p".

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hanyolo posted:

Was honestly expecting Xbox One to do 100k again, especially since the March Titanfall XB1 bundle was announced near the end of Feb. Maybe people really like PvZ? :shrug:

Almost certainly the Titanfall hype train. At this point, I'll eat my portion of crow: Titanfall has shifted Xbones. Whether that's going to be enough in the medium to long term is another question entirely.

Certainly, if the Xbone fails to outsell the PS4 next month, it's time to stick a fork in it (it's going to outsell the PS4).

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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UK folk, incoming ridiculous deal ahead: GameSeek is planning on dumping some FIFA Xbone bundles for £300.

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Aug 7, 2013

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^ Opinion: GT6 makes a mockery out of Forza 5. Also achievements and trophies suck and nobody should care about them.

Ramadu posted:

It's like they forget the hilarity and ridicule that came out of the ps3 release. Ycs was initially created because of that.

And the Xbone's ridicule has resulted in DDRD. :v:

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Fair to Midland posted:

Just curious, is the price of an Xbone not an issue for you? Because most people are only looking at the Xbones bad performance because $500 is a lot of money for most people, and why pay more for less?

It's more being smart with what little money you have, then just to poo poo on Xbone.

That's fundamentally the reason why performance has been constantly raised: it's a $500 machine that consistently performs worse than its nearest rival which costs $100 less. That should not happen, ever, and yet here it is. Which makes the extreme defensiveness of the fanboys even more hilarious, considering by pretty much every objective comparison, the Xbone is worse than the PS4.

It doesn't help that it launched with a Forza 4 port with half the content removed.

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DaitoX posted:

EU is mainly playstation to begin with (except for the UK previous generation), so launching a year later will be an uphill battle.

Also people who really wanted it just imported it or drove to germany (I mean other countries are not that far here, you have poo poo tons of people living close to the border who can just go pick it up). So it will be interesting to see what happens.

Yeah, I would imagine the rest of Europe would prove to be something of a damp squib for Microsoft. It's piss easy to import the machines, and I'd imagine most of the people who want a Xbone would have already got an Xbone. The September release date gives Sony plenty of time to satisfy demand for the PS4 before the official release, too. Had Microsoft manage to get in before Sony cures the supply issues, I'd imagine they would do fairly decent trade, but that would require them launching before (or at least during) the summer.

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Crafty posted:

^people love peggle, the local multiplayer could be fun.
Honestly, between Dead Rising 3's patches and Peggle 2 needing what amounts to a redownload to put in local multiplayer, I'm convinced that there's something seriously broken with the Xbone's patching system. There's no way a local multiplayer mode needs a 1.6Gb patch.

Delusibeta
Aug 7, 2013

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RE: bugs. To quote The IT Crowd: have you turned it off and on again?

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The fact that you can get an Xbone with a copy of Titanfall for $450 in quite a few major chains in America indicates that someone, either the retailers or Microsoft themselves, is not happy with how many units they're selling.

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kaguya posted:

Is there any activity or area in which the XBONE is superior to the PS4?

Well, the Xbone has Skype, so you can chat to your Vita owning buddies. :v:

On Japan: the odds of the Xbone getting any Japanese developed games outside of the big publishers (Square Enix/Namco/Capcom/Konami) and stuff Microsoft has personally moneyhatted are nil. Indeed, I'm surprised Microsoft is even trying to release the Xbone in Japan, it's blatantly obvious that it's going to be a complete waste of money for everyone involved.

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