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And it turns out than Pfeifer will only do three issues for Red Hood http://www.newsarama.com/20673-will-pfeifer-promises-to-bring-fun-to-dc-s-red-hood.html Giving how pumped he was talking about future storylines on CBR's interview I think is safe to assume he was told he'd be the new writer for the book. That was a really lovely move on editorial's part but what else is new? 
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And now Lobdell gives an interview about his return to Red Hood http://www.newsarama.com/20696-scott-lobdell-on-red-hood-return-startling-starfire-story.html Lobdell posted:Nrama: We might feel like we already know what your Red Hood is like, but will there be any changes in your approach now? This owns Lobdell posted:Nrama: Will the title tie into what's happened with Forever Evil, or what's coming in Batman Eternal or Futures End? This on the other hand sounds like a MASSIVE trainwreck (specially if the rumors I've heard about it are true)
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Scott "Sexual Harasser" Lobdell posted:...While a vocal minority of readers were more than happy to read another 30 years worth of Kori wailing over Dick Grayson, readers met a woman who was firmly in charge of her sexual agency... Ahahahahahahaha. gently caress you Lobdell.
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quote:And while Roy had been defined more than once by his moments of weakness through his addiction to alcohol, we met an Arsenal that had never fallen off the wagon, in part because of the world's most unexpected AA sponsor. I am pretty sure alcohol was not his weapon of choice. If only he had a world famous cover to look at.
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bobkatt013 posted:I am pretty sure alcohol was not his weapon of choice. If only he had a world famous cover to look at. I'll admit than I found that claim weird as well but I guess DC just wants to sweep Junkie Roy under the rug. Really ironic since I heard rumors about editorial wanting to make Jason a junkie now 
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Um. Was I reading the same comic? I borrowed them from the library and - Starfire felt more like THE GIRLFRIEND or Sexually Liberated Gal*. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm too picky or just tired of how a lot of female characters are handled, but Starfire didn't really feel like what he's saying. Maybe I misread it. *Whose Sexual Liberation Conforms to What Most Guys Would Like.
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Aerofallosov posted:Um. Was I reading the same comic? I borrowed them from the library and - Starfire felt more like THE GIRLFRIEND or Sexually Liberated Gal*. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm too picky or just tired of how a lot of female characters are handled, but Starfire didn't really feel like what he's saying. Maybe I misread it. Loebdell, shockingly enough, is talking out his rear end to diminish criticism of his work. Far greater artists have done so, but few so bald-faced in their bullshit.
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Aerofallosov posted:Um. Was I reading the same comic? I borrowed them from the library and - Starfire felt more like THE GIRLFRIEND or Sexually Liberated Gal*. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I'm too picky or just tired of how a lot of female characters are handled, but Starfire didn't really feel like what he's saying. Maybe I misread it. Single issues or the TPB? The plot is clearer on the trade. I reread the first trade and I found funny how emasculated Roy comes off (always pinning for Kory or trying to get Jason's attention) 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Single issues or the TPB? The plot is clearer on the trade. I just read the trade and I really felt the dialogue was too inconsistent for you to really draw any conclusions from. Like the only thing that seemed to be constant was the running bit where everyone but Kori was a little weirded out by her sexual openness. The plot was also really scatter shot. With no real recap and very little backstory provided I couldn't figure out what the gently caress was going on between the All Caste and the Untitled.
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coconono posted:I just read the trade and I really felt the dialogue was too inconsistent for you to really draw any conclusions from. Like the only thing that seemed to be constant was the running bit where everyone but Kori was a little weirded out by her sexual openness. Yeah that's one of Lobdell's faults, he mades things as it he goes leaving a lot loose ends. The All-caste and the Untitled were made on the fly just to give Jason a justification on his skills on such a short span of time, the All-caste were defined at least: mystical killer monks with a yoda as leader, the untitled... I have no idea on what was their deal either but I hope it was better than Tynion's 'guild of magical assholes #3' I found interesting the thing about Kory's sexual openness, would you mind to elaborate on that? Other than her relationship with Roy and some quios on his part I don't remember anything like that (unless you're speaking of Crux)
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I found interesting the thing about Kory's sexual openness, would you mind to elaborate on that? Other than her relationship with Roy and some quios on his part I don't remember anything like that (unless you're speaking of Crux) So Jason finds out/walks in on Roy and Kory. Roy freaks out but Jason's all like gently caress yeah lets go do crimes/adventures or whatever. There's a few times where Roy apologizes but Jason says something along the lines "she's not my girlfriend not a big deal" But then when they stop in Hong Kong(how the gently caress are they getting around?) Roy wants to see Jason's hideout and he's like "no dude, you've already soiled one pair of sheets" or whatever. Meanwhile Kory is, uh, doing Kory things? Her character seems to alternate from houseplant with tits to scared girl to privileged princess on the writer's whim. I don't want to read it again or I'd supply better references. coconono fucked around with this message at 21:45 on Mar 31, 2014 |
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coconono posted:So Jason finds out/walks in on Roy and Kory. Roy freaks out but Jason's all like gently caress yeah lets go do crimes/adventures or whatever. There's a few times where Roy apologizes but Jason says something along the lines "she's not my girlfriend not a big deal" But then when they stop in Hong Kong(how the gently caress are they getting around?) Roy wants to see Jason's hideout and he's like "no dude, you've already soiled one pair of sheets" or whatever. Meanwhile Kory is, uh, doing Kory things? Her character seems to alternate from houseplant with tits to scared girl to privileged princess on the writer's whim. Oh you're talking about issue 1 and 2, first is true than the timeline isn't that all clear but that was lazy editors. The sequence is like this: *They save Roy and spend three days on the islan when Jason is contacted by Essence and told about the All-caste. When this is happening Roy and Kory are in the infamous scene, first thing in the morning Jason goes or his gear and founds Roy and Kory. *Roy catch up with Jason and the both of them catch a plane to Hong Kong where Jason gets Isabel's number while Kory flies ahead to procure transport for them on Hong Kong. *On the limo than Kory's got is when Roy wants to talk about whatever happened and is shut by Jason and Kory. They arrive at the clube where Jason set up his safe house and is when he says the sheets comment at Roy just to be a smartass. Here's also when Jason hurts Suzie Zu and her goons *We cut to a few hours later when Jason and Roy are on a chopper to get at the All-Caste, Kory flies by her own but catch with them in time to give Roy a lift. Jason found the massacre and after paying his respects finally accepts Roy and Kory as a team. About your other points, Roy only brings the issue with Jason two times, one on the plane and on the limo and Kory while sometimes it stays on the background never acts like a scared girl, bails the guys a few times (not counting the first issue, one on issue 3, another on issue 5 and the last one on issue 7) and I think she only comes off like a priviliged princess on her monologues. But yes, Lobdell really needs a better editor.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Oh you're talking about issue 1 and 2, first is true than the timeline isn't that all clear but that was lazy editors. The sequence is like this: Yes the editor makes it so the writing is unable to show the correct passage of time. If only he has been doing this for over 20 years.
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bobkatt013 posted:Yes the editor makes it so the writing is unable to show the correct passage of time. If only he has been doing this for over 20 years. Yeah you basically described the editors job. Make sure everything works.
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Senor Candle posted:Yeah you basically described the editors job. Make sure everything works. I would see that as more of the writers job. They would be the one who writes the thing that happens.
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I'm short on time right now but later I'll put the pics about the editorial problems with the first two issues of RHATO but in the meantime, I tell you which were: -On the first issue there's a caption box saying that is three weeks after Roy rescue and then on issue two Roy says than they ahve been together for three days and already are a well-oiled team. -The time sequence between Jason leavin the island and issue's 1 cliffhanger made sense but the way is told mades somewhat hard to follow -There's a few typos and words repeated here and there. All of that is an Editor's responsability.
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You guys seem to be unaware that "super-star" writers don't get edited. Yes, Lobdell still qualifies.
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I thought the entire point of Lobdell is that he's just an editorial drone and does whatever he's told and that's why he was on as many titles as he was.
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AFoolAndHisMoney posted:I thought the entire point of Lobdell is that he's just an editorial drone and does whatever he's told and that's why he was on as many titles as he was.
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Ok I finally, got the pics about editorial goof ups on the first two issues of RHATO: A minor one but is distracting and that kind of thing repeated on other issues as well. I don't have the TPB with me right now to be sure but I THINK it wasn't fixed.  The caption at the beginning of the page says 'three weeks ago' got it? then issue 2 have this:   Keep in mind than according to the captions Roy says these a few hours after the previous image and the wasn't fixed on the trade (oddly enough, they bothered to change a line on issue 4 to avoid pinpointing Jason's time with Bruce). Despite all of Lobdell's faults is the fact than he can deliver scenes like this than I loved his run:    
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I think my heart just melted a little. 
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First Bass posted:I think my heart just melted a little. Yeah that's generally what happens when you play directly to fans.
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Was Taters posted:Yeah that's generally what happens when you play directly to fans. Not completly true since a lot of the 'fans' want crazy rear end in a top hat Jason and no reconciliation with Bruce (why?) And that scene is really bittersweet, the team needs to enter a mystical dimension but to do so they need to 'pawn' their most precious memory. The guardian sees through them, Kory's when she stood by herself for the first time, Roy's when Croc talked him out of suicide and this is Jason's. When they return Roy and Kory claim theirs but Jason doesn't.
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That post Death of the Family issue where Bruce told Jason it was time to come home tugged on every single string of my heart.
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Rhyno posted:That post Death of the Family issue where Bruce told Jason it was time to come home tugged on every single string of my heart.       Indeed, that was the best issue of the whole series. I'm sure than with a decent editor Lobdell could keep that quality always.
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DC really is playing switcheroo with its creators,while Lobdell goes back to RHATO Pfeiffer will move to Teen Titans with Rocafort on art duties
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Tim Seeley posted:Seeley: I really liked the way we did this. Everyone is writing Batman because obviously, he's Batman. But beyond that, everyone gets to be the "lead" on a different set of characters and see them through to the end. In my case, I get to be the lead on this Batwoman/Batgirl/Red Hood storyline, which is an action adventure story that weaves throughout, with some espionage and worldwide adventure hopping stuff. And because we're allowed to weave in characters we want to play with, I kept with my whole "Monsters and Dames" idea and picked up the Catwoman story, since she's a character I like, and then, of course, I stuck Killer Croc in there. http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=52049 Tim Seeley writing Jason on Eternal, neat I guess?
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Issue 30 preview Weird that they changed the cover. Solicited:  Actual:  This a trend for the book, oddly enough.
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I don't know if it was consequence of Lobdell's return or what but this issue felt really rushed and kind of disconnected, at sometimes it felt like Pfeifer chew more that he could bite and the art was all over the place. It was enjoyable but it was a step down from the previous one. Kory keeps being a badass and is Classic Lobo so there's that.
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RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #33 Written by SCOTT LOBDELL Art by R.B. SILVA Cover by ED BENES On sale JULY 16 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T As more of Starfire’s life after her captivity as a slave is revealed, Red Hood and Arsenal stand between their alien teammate and one of the most wanted men in the galaxy. More Kory background and space adventures... yay   Great cover though (even if Roy doesn't look like himself )I'm really worried about Sandoval steping down from art since the book won't survive lacking a permament penciller AGAIN
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Found this FANTASTIC fanart telling Jason's PreN52 story on tumblr:    The presentation is really interesting and the art is serviceable, the whole thing is 31 pictures long so here's a handy link to an Album compilling them all: http://imgur.com/a/b4SQY And here's a link to the artist's tumblr: http://jaybru1.tumblr.com/ I'd love to see something like this for N52 Jason 
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Found this FANTASTIC fanart telling Jason's PreN52 story on tumblr: that's pretty swank! They look like animation cells.
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coconono posted:that's pretty swank! They look like animation cells. Glad you like it! Issue 31 preview Pfeifer's final issue on the title, so weird to see OG Lobo being a legitimate threat and cunning villian insted the goofy badass seen everywhere. And you gotta love PopMatters intro EDIT: And the solicits hit RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #34 Written by SCOT LOBDELL Art by RAFA SANDOVAL Cover by KEN LASHLEY On sale AUGUST 20 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US • RATED T The Outlaws deal with the fallout from Kori’s past and learn that a top-secret villain has returned to make things much, much worse for them!  Great cover, it does seems like DC is making Outer Space Jason turf. I'm intrigued by the choice and Jason gets his turn on Secret Origin 5 SECRET ORIGINS #5 Written by MARV WOLFMAN, SCOTT LOBDELL and JEFF PARKER Art by ANDRE COELHO, PAULO SIQUEIRA and ALVARO MARTINEZ and RAUL FERNANDEZ Cover by LEE BERMEJO On sale AUGUST 27 • 48 pg, FC, $4.99 US • RATED T The latest explosive origins from DC Comics – The New 52 include Cyborg by Marv Wolfman and André Coelho; Red Hood by Scott Lobdell and Paulo Siqueira; and Mera by Jeff Parker and the art team of Alvaro Martinez and Raul Fernandez. (Interesting that they got Marv Wolfman himself to pen Cyborg's origin) Along his confirmed appearance on Eternal, August will be a great month for Jason's fans (IE, Me )
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Pfeifer's last issue was weird. He set this EPIC battle and both Kory and Jason got chumped and everything comes down to Roy Deus Ex Machina'd (quite literally) his way to victory and random NuLobo cameo put at the end for reasons. I'd like to think that Pfeifer was a solid writer but truth is, his arc in here had some odd plot choices and handwaves to work add the change in directions (despite all things pointing at Lobdell's return set in stone for months) and this arc felt fun and action packed but with more holes than a swiss cheese. Still miles better than Tynion's bullshit of course. Hope Lobdell can work his magic again.
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September's cover:  And solicit: RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS: FUTURES END #1 Writer: Scott Lobdell Penciller: Scott Kolins Inker: Scott Kolins Cover: Giuseppe Camuncoli Red Hood rides solo in the future as he reveals hints to how the Outlaws and his partners Starfire and Arsenal parted ways and how that lead to Jason Todd’s new mission of retribution and brutal justice. Is gonna be depressing 
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You go Roy, you shoot that little shithead.
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Kory's origin was pretty drat good, Lobdell managed to weave a solid tale that takes into account everything showed up so far in the N52 while at the same time tying some loose ends and respecting the core of Kory's old origin. He also sets a plot hook that if is what I'm thinking is gonna stir quite the controversy.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Found this FANTASTIC fanart telling Jason's PreN52 story on tumblr: The artist added a few more completing the story   
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If this first interaction between Jason and Bruce is gonna set the tone of Jason role on Eternal, I'm out. We're back to the Jason's defining trait is being the angry member of the batfamily. the bit about Jason's last time on the mansion being him breaking in messing up with the security made me cringe, terrible all around. Gonna give Seeley's a shot to made me change my mind but I'm not too hopeful. Is gonna be good for those who want rear end in a top hat Jason back I guess. 
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Preview for issue 32 It looks pretty drat good  Look at that art and that dialogue So good to have Lobdell back. Oh and, this thread passed the 10000 views! 
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