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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

sweeperbravo posted:

I look at this and my :stare: is totally bypassed and goes right to :3:

One of my favorite things about her comics is that they absolutely never seem mean-spirited. That's a common shortcut to "mature" status, but her work tends to have a hopeful bent that I'm grateful for.

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CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

CAW CAW CAW

Dinosaur Gum

Pick posted:

It's actually kind of funny how fast you lose the really fine motor control. I'm only in my mid-20s and already I shake too much for the detail I did in highschool.

I have some kind of tremor that affects my hands and is related to some kind of neurodegenerative disorder, but which isn't rheumatoid arthritis (though apparently it is genetic so I have to look out for it anyway :v:), and apparently these are all pretty much irreversible and just get worse and worse as you go on. I see a huge difference with what I was able to do in high school and what I can do now, too, and I'm only 23. If I were interested in pursuing visual arts as a career I'd be very bummed out. As it is it mostly affects my abilities to evenly chop vegetables and aim well when playing shoot-tanks :v:

This thread is now the Sadhands Chat Lebensraum.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Pick posted:

It's actually kind of funny how fast you lose the really fine motor control. I'm only in my mid-20s and already I shake too much for the detail I did in highschool.

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

I have some kind of tremor that affects my hands and is related to some kind of neurodegenerative disorder, but which isn't rheumatoid arthritis (though apparently it is genetic so I have to look out for it anyway :v:), and apparently these are all pretty much irreversible and just get worse and worse as you go on. I see a huge difference with what I was able to do in high school and what I can do now, too, and I'm only 23. If I were interested in pursuing visual arts as a career I'd be very bummed out. As it is it mostly affects my abilities to evenly chop vegetables and aim well when playing shoot-tanks :v:

This thread is now the Sadhands Chat Lebensraum.

I wish I could like trade with you two, like split three ways, so every third day each of you could have a day of Fiiiiine motor control :(



Pick posted:

One of my favorite things about her comics is that they absolutely never seem mean-spirited. That's a common shortcut to "mature" status, but her work tends to have a hopeful bent that I'm grateful for.
Same. I think if it weren't for that, I would have considered it to be worse or at least as bad as anything that gets posted in the other big thread. Like, it would just be another mean, weird, porny comic.

painted bird
Oct 18, 2013

by Lowtax

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

I have some kind of tremor that affects my hands and is related to some kind of neurodegenerative disorder, but which isn't rheumatoid arthritis (though apparently it is genetic so I have to look out for it anyway :v:), and apparently these are all pretty much irreversible and just get worse and worse as you go on. I see a huge difference with what I was able to do in high school and what I can do now, too, and I'm only 23. If I were interested in pursuing visual arts as a career I'd be very bummed out. As it is it mostly affects my abilities to evenly chop vegetables and aim well when playing shoot-tanks :v:

This thread is now the Sadhands Chat Lebensraum.

My fine motor control was the pits prior to illness, too, and I can always get around it by working digitally and zooming in really close and working slowly. Thankfully, for whatever bizarre reason, the way I hold pens and styli isn't nearly half as painful as, say, typing, so I can still draw with relative ease. Holding knives and forks is painful, but not pens. Weird, huh?

My lower back and hip pain preventing sitting for long periods of time are way more detrimental, as is the fact I'm frequently feeling too fatigued and flu-y to do anything. :argh:

I'm hoping that either what I have is non-degenerative or if it is, the degeneration can be arrested quickly as soon as the rheumatologists detect the goddamn autoimmune markers that are steadily refusing to turn up on my bloodwork. :negative:

EDIT: I don't have tremors of any sort, but I do have nerve damage! :haw: In one arm for sure (and a gross scar following surgery to try and save the nerve) and probably in both feet.

Barr Girls is not nearly as shocking or weird as I thought it'd be. Donna Barr throws off all my usual instincts for weird Internet poo poo, because everything she produces sounds like it'd be a complete disaster when you hear the pitch and then it turns out to be ... well, not only competently executed, but fairly hopeful and optimistic and life-affirming. :psyduck:

painted bird fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Apr 4, 2014

Captain Candyblood
Aug 19, 2013

*The worse insults for the likpas and phallos as well.
Wow this sadhands chat is so discouraging. I didn't know that you could start losing motor control as early as your 20s! I really hope that passes me by...I'm not the best artist by any means, but I want to see myself improve, not start burning out early.
My best friend developed mild carpal tunnel several years ago after playing too much Stepmania and I've been paranoid about messing up my hands ever since :v:

GIANT OUIJA BOARD
Aug 22, 2011

177 Years of Your Dick
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Pick posted:

One of my favorite things about her comics is that they absolutely never seem mean-spirited. That's a common shortcut to "mature" status, but her work tends to have a hopeful bent that I'm grateful for.

Yeah, this is the thing about her. I've only read the one book, but that's really the thing that stops it from being a horrific train-wreck.

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.
In hindsight Barr Girls is probably mostly unremarkable in the context of today's internet. I'm not sure if that means I'm old or not.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum
If Donna Barr were not happily married she could find her match in this artist:





Either way I've found a fascinating new person to watch. Escargot-girls, clock golems, and wereturkeys. I won't say he has Donna Barr's artistic talent but he's certainly got imagination.

I'm not entirely sure why they're all asleep.

e: And then there's this which is just rad:



My new favourite artist posted:

I drew this last night at Dr. Sketchy's at Chez Poulet. The model was drag performer David Glamamore. The theme of the contest was to have him fighting "glam sharks," and possibly include laser beams. Someone figured he doesn't really have to fight the sharks. So for the second picture, I had him riding on a glamorous shark through a field of lasers.

There is not a single thing that is not awesome about this.

e2: Of course the rest of his non-monster-girl gallery is vore of existing IPs. Oh well. At least we will always have the wereturkeys.

CROWS EVERYWHERE fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Apr 6, 2014

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Heresiarch posted:

In hindsight Barr Girls is probably mostly unremarkable in the context of today's internet. I'm not sure if that means I'm old or not.

If anything, what I find most remarkable about it is that something like that can feel so, I don't know, grounded? Pleasant? I've known quite a few (female) artists in my time who drew things like this--albeit not as well--but they always had a remarkably different feel.

GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:

Yeah, this is the thing about her. I've only read the one book, but that's really the thing that stops it from being a horrific train-wreck.

I wish I knew why this is, actually. I mean, perhaps less why her works aren't mean-spirited, but why it often seems so many other peoples' works are?

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Heresiarch
Oct 6, 2005

Literature is not exhaustible, for the sufficient and simple reason that no single book is. A book is not an isolated being: it is a relationship, an axis of innumerable relationships.

Pick posted:

If anything, what I find most remarkable about it is that something like that can feel so, I don't know, grounded? Pleasant? I've known quite a few (female) artists in my time who drew things like this--albeit not as well--but they always had a remarkably different feel.

"Grounded" is a good word. Barr's work usually had that feeling, like how Hader & The Colonel was sort of an absurd idea on the face of it, but the world it was set in felt solid and well-defined so you didn't feel like you were on thin ice when you were reading it once you got past one or two central conceits. Stinz also had that feeling (at least at the start), and IIRC Barr Girls felt that way too.

Unfortunately all of that appears to have gone away with Afterdead which is always on sort of slippery ground.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum


Where this is from (other than the political cartoons thread) I don't know. But here is where it belongs.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
Donna is starting up a new project:

Captain Candyblood
Aug 19, 2013

*The worse insults for the likpas and phallos as well.
Why does it say "copyright '97" if it's just being started now?
It looks like it could be interesting though. Inuit mythology isn't something you see a lot of fantasy for.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum

Pick posted:

Donna is starting up a new project:



Skeletons :neckbeard:

Where did you hear about this from? It looks quite interesting.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Captain Candyblood posted:

Why does it say "copyright '97" if it's just being started now?
It looks like it could be interesting though. Inuit mythology isn't something you see a lot of fantasy for.

Oh, huh. Maybe they're just online now? She posted it on FB.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum
Here is where the latest Thing is updating. So far it has three comics! How often will it update and when? Nobody knows! The mystery is part of the Donna Barr experience.

Here are pages 2 and 3:




I am interested in seeing where this goes! So long as she doesn't go all mother goddess Reinhard "loving" Heydrich (:nws: for Reinhard Heydrich suckling a baby goat) on it then I can see myself unironically enjoying this.

If I could draw I would draw skeleton Pfirsich and skeleton Sedna hanging out. :3:

Captain Candyblood
Aug 19, 2013

*The worse insults for the likpas and phallos as well.

Pick posted:

Oh, huh. Maybe they're just online now? She posted it on FB.

That was my first idea, but it faked me out because it looks like her current Afterdead style. Maybe she's just been drawing that way longer than I thought.
I really like the concept of this comic :3:

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum


Wait how was Sedna holding the phone in that previous comic? Who knows. My headcanon is now that she jams it between her radius and ulna.

PS Part of being Sedna's priest/shaman/etc is that you have to comb her hair to get her blessings (hands got chopped off) so I hope this wacky new strip includes a makeover arc :swoon:

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
These strips were originally published in a new age magazine or something like that. I remember she wrote about it on her blog, back when I was posting her stuff in the webcomics thread. Maybe she got the rights to republish them.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Shadeoses posted:

FYI I am judging all you womyn.

mods please ban

Pick posted:

It's actually kind of funny how fast you lose the really fine motor control. I'm only in my mid-20s and already I shake too much for the detail I did in highschool.

Maybe they'll come out with some kind of stablizing tablet pen. :shobon:

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum


In which skeleton Sedna, the Inuit Beast Goddess (I hope you have not forgotten who she is yet), offers Celeste a choice of the finest pet seals and whales.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum


In case you have forgotten, this strip includes a friendly reminder on who Sedna is (she's the handless Inuit skeleton beast goddess). Also you know how Celeste was asking for a pet and permission from the landlord to keep one last strip? Well, Sedna says gently caress your mortal continuity! She has a cat now.

e: PS If anyone is looking for more odd webcomics, Donna Barr recently did a picture for another artist :nws: who has a webcomic:nws:. Ms Barr's guest art is worksafe but be aware that pretty much every page in the source material features people with their bits out. Here's the one she did:

CROWS EVERYWHERE fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 1, 2014

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


I, too, cover myself in scribbles and sit naked on grass dildos.

PleasingFungus
Oct 10, 2012
idiot asshole bitch who should fuck off

Squeegy posted:

I, too, cover myself in scribbles and sit naked on grass dildos.

Sounds good to me

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)
People who sit on grass dildoes shouldn't stow stones.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
According to her Facebook, years ago she burnt all of her early work in a huge bonfire because she thought that it wasn't good enough to exist.

sweeperbravo
May 18, 2012

AUNT GWEN'S COLD SHAPE (!)

Pick posted:

According to her Facebook, years ago she burnt all of her early work in a huge bonfire because she thought that it wasn't good enough to exist.

Jeez. And here I was mad at myself for putting my 6th-8th grade drawings through a shredder.

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Pick posted:

According to her Facebook, years ago she burnt all of her early work in a huge bonfire because she thought that it wasn't good enough to exist.

Harsh but she was probably right. Nobody starts out as an art prodigy but your early work is generally pretty bad.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum
The latest Rental Goddess, in which Sedna (the handless Inuit skeleton beast-goddess) waxes Celeste's floor... with wacky consequences!

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum
Am I the only one reading about Sedna (the handless Inuit skeleton beast-goddess)? :ohdear:





POINK POINK

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate


Why does she include that author's note on every page Sedna's name appears?

*Translator's note: keikaku means plan.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum

Squeegy posted:

Why does she include that author's note on every page Sedna's name appears?

*Translator's note: keikaku means plan.

From what I can gather, it's because these are all separated by quite a long amount of time in the real world. You'll notice the first is from 1997 and the most recent is from 1999 and we're only up to page 9. I assume these were published one at a time in magazines a few months apart. So it's quite possible that readers (who aren't up to date with their Inuit mythology - shame on them) might have forgotten who this is or what the gently caress is going on between comics.

Captain Candyblood
Aug 19, 2013

*The worse insults for the likpas and phallos as well.
Pick, did Donna Barr really draw you fanart? I think someone mentioned it in the webcomics thread a while ago but it was never posted.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Captain Candyblood posted:

Pick, did Donna Barr really draw you fanart? I think someone mentioned it in the webcomics thread a while ago but it was never posted.

She drew one of my characters, but I had paid for it. However, her convention sketches are very inexpensive. She later tracked me down because the person whose house she was staying at for ECCC reads my comic.

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum

Captain Candyblood posted:

Pick, did Donna Barr really draw you fanart? I think someone mentioned it in the webcomics thread a while ago but it was never posted.

This is it:



It is one of Pick's gay elf angel/demons in his skelehorse form. The perfect fit for Donna Barr!

CROWS EVERYWHERE fucked around with this message at 05:24 on May 17, 2014

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
And just today while hanging out, I met a former intern of Donna Barr's!

CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum

Pick posted:

And just today while hanging out, I met a former intern of Donna Barr's!

Please tell us about your adventures! I am excited to hear about them.

Meanwhile, the story of Sedna, the handless Inuit Sea-Goddess, continues. It includes wacky shenanigans!

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

CROWS EVERYWHERE posted:

Please tell us about your adventures! I am excited to hear about them.

Hmm, she seemed pretty normal, but she absolutely idolized Donna. Apparently her work ethic is completely off the charts. She also volunteers a lot and sends letters to the editor ad stuff. If anyone's ever on the Olympic Peninsula, you should pick up the paper and see if she has a letter to the editor in it!

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CROWS EVERYWHERE
Dec 17, 2012

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Dinosaur Gum

Pick posted:

Hmm, she seemed pretty normal, but she absolutely idolized Donna. Apparently her work ethic is completely off the charts. She also volunteers a lot and sends letters to the editor ad stuff. If anyone's ever on the Olympic Peninsula, you should pick up the paper and see if she has a letter to the editor in it!

That makes sense. I imagine liking Donna Barr and working with her would make one very politically and socially aware and active.

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