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Hahahahah holy poo poo what the gently caress? How does a car degenerate that fast in two years? If Toyota's ad agency could get near the car without puking I'm sure they would love to use it as an ad to hawk their reliability. It's impressive that it can put up with 96,000 miles of hard abuse with no maintenance. Somewhere a Toyota engineer must feel really smug today.
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Thats just... Gross. I couldn't be off-road buddies with something so filthy. Some of my buddies wheel toyotas, but they have other peoples stuff in em to make em fun. I'm OK with those kinds of yotas.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:Hahahahah holy poo poo what the gently caress? How does a car degenerate that fast in two years? Just so long as the ecu doesn't stack overflow disabling your brakes and kill you. Oh god the programming horrors of Toyota's. I will never buy a newer Toyota because of their bullshit ECU firmware.
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DrPain posted:The loving engine compartment is more clean than the interior. Wait so when he says maintenance schedule was ignored, he means changing the oil too? That's 72,000 miles without an oil change, how is that poor thing still alive? Also if his car looks like that, I wonder what his house looks like.
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Mar 26, 2014 18:01
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 That is loving disgusting. My offroad truck looks kinda like that on the inside, but it's just tracked-in mud from wheeling, not literal excrement, food, and scunge/hair/gunk. Blerghhhhhhhh  And I change the oil like, at least every 10k miles or so.
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subx posted:Wait so when he says maintenance schedule was ignored, he means changing the oil too? That's 72,000 miles without an oil change, how is that poor thing still alive? That would appear to be correct, yes. There was no sticker in the window so I can only tell you what the customer told me.  They live in a very nice part of town, I got to see the outside of the home when I dropped them of, but I dare not set foot inside. My guess is a "greatest-hits" episode of Hoarders.
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Mar 26, 2014 18:13
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subx posted:Also if his car looks like that, I wonder what his house looks like. Well, I was going to take out the trash but there will just be more later so 
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DrPain posted:That would appear to be correct, yes. There was no sticker in the window so I can only tell you what the customer told me. I think the vehicle would be full of garbage if they really were a hoarder. Speaking of which, do you ever have any of those hoarder cars come in? my favorite are the ones where the car is so full of stuff the driver ends up carving out a hole in the garbage so they can drive.
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It's like a lovely, smelly, less safe version of the collision foam as seen in demolition man.
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ratbert90 posted:Just so long as the ecu doesn't stack overflow disabling your brakes and kill you. Oh god the programming horrors of Toyota's. I will never buy a newer Toyota because of their bullshit ECU firmware. IIRC the VIN is written at the very end of the ecu's code. Which is why when you try to do an ECU update and the lovely Toyota tool turns turtle, it bricks your ecu permanently because the VIN gets scrubbed, and without the vin the tool can't select the appropriate software to write. Also that 1GR is completely hosed now. The hydraulic lifters are notoriously fragile and that engine's lifespan has been drastically shortened in general. Whoever made the oil that went into it should be patting themselves on the back, though.
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Mar 26, 2014 19:45
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That Toyota is gross. This is my new favorite thread in AI. The amount of variety and projects makes for a great daily read.
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BoostCreep posted:That Toyota is gross. This is my new favorite thread in AI. The amount of variety and projects makes for a great daily read. Thanks! That Toyota is beyond gross. I was planning on picking up the customer in my Ranger, but I unfortunately drove the stinking Toyota to pick the customer up at their home this afternoon once the work was completed. They called back to mention a "ticking" noise from inside the engine, and asked for me to listen for it when I came to pick them up which leads me to... Slavvy posted:Also that 1GR is completely hosed now. The hydraulic lifters are notoriously fragile and that engine's lifespan has been drastically shortened in general. Bingo! With good new oil in there the lifter ticking went away. Thankfully I was recently visited by a Seafoam rep so I recommended a Seafoam service 100 miles before their next oil change, and instructed them in no uncertain terms to come back in 4k miles for an oil change. As the customer is leaving, they asked me, and I poo poo you not, "IS THIS A 500K MILE TRUCK???"  I told them, "Maybe? I don't have a crystal ball, but Toyotas have a reputation for reliability. I owned a 1990 4Runner that ran far longer than it had any right to!" when I knew the answer is very obviously "Not with you behind the wheel, jackass!" BraveUlysses posted:I think the vehicle would be full of garbage if they really were a hoarder. Speaking of which, do you ever have any of those hoarder cars come in? my favorite are the ones where the car is so full of stuff the driver ends up carving out a hole in the garbage so they can drive. We've had a few of those trash compactor cars, but not lately. It seems like every time I say "not lately" ITT about a certain kind of customer, I get one the next week, so stay tuned! 
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Mar 26, 2014 21:28
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Haha what the hell. A half million miles? That's your standard for 'reliable?'
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Mar 26, 2014 21:44
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Yikes, I don't suppose you could have just taken that heap of dirt to a detailer, and charged the customer for it? Might have been cheaper than hazmat equipment for the short straw tech.
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 Update on the foodtruck: The customer paid our bill to fix the hesitation, and drove it away for the time being, as they have been booked at several events later in the week. I gave them the number of a great transmission specialist in the area to get the shifting issue addressed, as everything we could check from the outside of the trans (wiring to kickdown, vacuum at modulator, not much on those old trannies) was ok. Once they get the internal transmission issue addressed, we can continue with our mechanical repairs. I expect they will return in a week or so, they were really blown away with our level of service and competence.  Update on the F350 stakebed flooring truck: It got a new vacuum brake booster and master cylinder, and we re-wired the tail light circuit which had been hacked up by countless jerks. The company picked it up and left me with another problem child fleet vehicle, an '01 Chevy S10. They overload this poor 1/4 ton pickup with far too much flooring material, and the front brakes tend to burn out rather quickly, among other awesome failures.    Check out those wheel wells, and the tail gate which is slowly being split in half.  Furthermore! The owner of the express van (whose new engine runs like a champ, I'm told  ) brought his daughters 98 Jeep Cherokee in for a shifting issue. Let's drop the trans pan and see what we find, maybe it just needs a service...    Yeah. That's clutch material in the pan, and a ton of metal on the magnet.  NEW TRANSMISSION TIME He's got money to burn, and by golly I'm going to help him burn it! Yank that tranny out, boys!  We dropped the exhaust, driveshaft, and transfer case first, naturally.  I had to stop taking pictures at this point because I am by far the strongest and most able bodied person at the shop, so most of the heavy lifting was left to me, but long story short, we got the trans out and that same specialist I referred the Food Truck owners to ordered me a new one! Here is the new part, back from the transmission shop, where some electrical bits were swapped over. We used my '96 Ranger to haul the transmission around, because my truck does work, dammit!   I took the heavy end and with the help of two additional old man mechanics, we got it lifted up onto the stand and strapped down.  It's going in now, along with a new radiator. DrPain fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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By "flooring material" I assume you mean like pavement stones. That poor truck  Has the front suspension in fact completely collapsed?
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Seat Safety Switch posted:By "flooring material" I assume you mean like pavement stones. That poor truck Casino carpeting, subfloors, padding, etc... from what I gather is the majority of their business, but I would also assume they do stone floors, yes. We shal see on the suspension. I think it may have been lowered prior to going into fleet service. I realize what I just said sounds completely stupid. DrPain fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Ahahahhaa, yeah, he is paying the Grand Cherokee price right there. Even worse than the regular chrysler price. There is a reason I won't buy those shitboxes, they are automatic only and the only automatics in them blow rear end to various degrees. 42re/rh in the 4.0 ones: blehhhhh. 44re/rh (I forget what these go in): not quite as dogshit as the 42 series, but close. 46re/rh in some of the V8s: supposedly nice. My family got burnt by one of them (same unit) in our 2001 dodge ram 2500 van though, THREE TIMES, so I kinda don't want to deal with those anymore. You can keep them alive with a decent shift kit, some hard part upgrades from a 47/48re/rh series diesel transmission (yes. Chrysler thought a slightly upgraded version of the same transmission was fit for duty behind a 5.9L turbodiesel!) a good cooler, proper Chrysler ATF+4 at the proper service intervals, and keeping the bands adjusted properly. All of these things are something no one does.
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Man, that toyota is disgusting. I keep the interior of my vehicles clean, but washing sometimes takes a back seat. The two times I've had a shop do any work, I cleaned the car before taking it in. Don't know if it makes any difference, but I feel like if I can make the mechanics life easier at all they'll do a better job / take less time / cost me less money.
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kastein posted:Ahahahhaa, yeah, he is paying the Grand Cherokee price right there. Even worse than the regular chrysler price. It is, indeed, a 42RE. TrueChaos posted:Man, that toyota is disgusting. I keep the interior of my vehicles clean, but washing sometimes takes a back seat. The two times I've had a shop do any work, I cleaned the car before taking it in. Don't know if it makes any difference, but I feel like if I can make the mechanics life easier at all they'll do a better job / take less time / cost me less money. You're right, but only to a point. A freshly washed/waxed/detailed vehicle scares me the other way, in so far as I don't want to piss off the customer by leaving a speck of anything, anywhere, and that worry slows us down. I'm going to be out of the shop for the rest of this week, I have some personal matters I must attend to out of town. I'll leave you with this parting shot, a blown out bushing on the S10 upper control arm. We're replacing both upper control arms for good measure.  I'm trusting the convicts to run the prison in my stead, so I'm absolutely expecting a nightmare situation waiting for me on Monday.
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DrPain posted:Casino carpeting, subfloors, padding, etc... from what I gather is the majority of their business, but I would also assume they do stone floors, yes. That S10 is a ZQ8/Xtreme, the factory sport option, and was lowered from the factory. Should have (had) decent shocks, a faster steering ratio, extra chassis cross-member just behind the cab, and, I think, lateral rear shocks (like the fox Mustang quadra-shock system), IIRC.
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kastein posted:Ahahahhaa, yeah, he is paying the Grand Cherokee price right there. Even worse than the regular chrysler price. I was going to ask in the Jeep thread if a V8 ZJ would be a good thing to replace my '95 XJ with when I eventually crave moar powah, but that just told me "no," I think.
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Seat Safety Switch posted:By "flooring material" I assume you mean like pavement stones. That poor truck Speaking as someone who used to run the warehouse/do deliveries/work on the odd jobsite for a commercial flooring company and routinely drove around in a dangerously overloaded Ranger, it does not take paving stones to do that damage. The worst thing about tile work, wasn't actually the tile itself, but all of the bags or buckets self leveling cement/grout/adhesive that you needed to put the tile in place. All of the trucks/vans/any vehicle the company owned got completely beat to poo poo/overloaded on a daily basis. Fully loaded F350(gas v8) flatbed towing a trailer with a forklift on it? No problem! that was one of the most terrifying drives of my life. Nothing like merging onto i5 at around 35mph since that is as fast as I could possibly get it to go on the onramp. Eventually I got it up to like 55mph, but that was about all it would do. DrPain posted:Casino carpeting, subfloors, padding, etc... from what I gather is the majority of their business, but I would also assume they do stone floors, yes. Didn't they make a "tuned" version of the s10? I want to say it was called the EXTREME package or something similarly stupid. I can tell you that you want those flooring guys as return customers. All their trucks will get beat to hell, but they absolutely need them as you have to haul an impressive amount of poo poo to job sites. I know the mechanic that my old job used loved us since we constantly had our trucks in his shop.
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Darchangel posted:That S10 is a ZQ8/Xtreme, the factory sport option, and was lowered from the factory. Should have (had) decent shocks, a faster steering ratio, extra chassis cross-member just behind the cab, and, I think, lateral rear shocks (like the fox Mustang quadra-shock system), IIRC. I am oddly infatuated by this truck, but all the extremes I can find have that ugly side step bed. Are there differences between us/canada? That red one is gorgeous. 
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DrPain posted:You're right, but only to a point. A freshly washed/waxed/detailed vehicle scares me the other way, in so far as I don't want to piss off the customer by leaving a speck of anything, anywhere, and that worry slows us down. Yeah, that makes sense. My cars are never pristine, just more along the lines of not filthy, I've hosed the dirt/mud off so you're not taking a shower in dirt when you're underneath it. Rust dust though... Well I'm in Canada so
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It warms my heart to see these trucks having the poo poo beat out of them doing real truck work. Neat thread.
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kastein posted:Ahahahhaa, yeah, he is paying the Grand Cherokee price right there. Even worse than the regular chrysler price. poo poo. My mother has a grand Cherokee and this is exactly what I feared. So many times I told her to buy a Prado, all in vain. 
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What other mid-size SUV made in the last 20 years comes with a V8, front and rear live axles, a real 4x4 system with 4Lo, and can be had for under 3 grand? Buy a dirt cheap ZJ and rebuild the transmission for a grand or so. Hell even the 5.9 versions come in at $3k or under these days.
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Land Rovers are V8 powered twin beam axles, a really kick rear end AWD system, and have 4Lo... with transmissions that stand abuse. Oh but you want reliable Actually old Blazers/suburbans before 1991 (I think that's the cut off) came with the same poo poo and better at guzzling gas.
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BoostCreep posted:What other mid-size SUV made in the last 20 years comes with a V8, front and rear live axles, a real 4x4 system with 4Lo, and can be had for under 3 grand? Depends on what part of the world you are in. In NZ it makes zero sense to buy a Grand Cherokee for any purpose.
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BrokenKnucklez posted:Land Rovers are V8 powered twin beam axles, a really kick rear end AWD system, and have 4Lo... with transmissions that stand abuse. Over the pond rovers are reliable! The "thatll do" clunkers came to the states. 91 for the big box burbans. it went IFS after that.
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dissss posted:Depends on what part of the world you are in. In NZ it makes zero sense to buy a Grand Cherokee for any purpose. It's also an I6 rigged to run on LPG. It's mainly because she really, really shouldn't have a driver's license in a first world country but somehow does anyway, and a car would be destroyed instantly thanks to her 'oops I bumped into [object]' driving.
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BoostCreep posted:Buy a dirt cheap ZJ and rebuild the transmission for a grand or so. Hell even the 5.9 versions come in at $3k or under these days. My family suffers from the ZJ sickness. My mother has a 97 4.0/42re combo with 260 on the clock with the stock trans in it. My 5.9 dropped the front band strut and lost 2nd gear. Drove that poo poo for near a year and it never missed a beat with the three remaining gears. I rebuilt the trans with upgraded guts / shift kit / torque converter and a good cooler. Shifting well since. Can't say the same about the front differential. I'm keeping my eye out for a 5 speed from a Ram or Dakota to drop in and stick my spare 242 case behind it so I have the option for 2wd. edit: gently caress death wobble.
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DefaultPeanut posted:My family suffers from the ZJ sickness. My mother has a 97 4.0/42re combo with 260 on the clock with the stock trans in it. You're going to want an NV4500 if you drive it hard, the 3500 in the Ram 1500s and the 3550 or AX15 in the Dakotas will NOT last behind a 5.9 if you go that route. They're only rated for 300 foot pounds. Sorry dude. If you drive it gently, it may last with a 3500/3550/AX15. Specifically you want the NV4500 from a 5.9 gas V8 4x4 Ram 2500 or (if that's even available in the 3500) Ram 3500. I find them about once a year, buy for no more than $200 at the junkyard, and then sell within days or weeks for no less than $600 on craigslist.
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cursedshitbox posted:91 for the big box burbans. it went IFS after that. Broncos fit this description too, although that's barely in under the "20 years" since the last one rolled off the line in 96 or so.
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kastein posted:Ahahahhaa, yeah, he is paying the Grand Cherokee price right there. Even worse than the regular chrysler price. I seem to remember a friend of mine having an Orvis edition Grand with a factory manual. I think he put a mild lift on it and the suspension revolted by starting to tear the mounts away from the subframe.
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You could get ZJs with manuals, it's the WJ that was auto or nothing. The 42RE is the really crap one though, I thought the others weren't so bad.
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The 46RE in ZJs may not be that bad but my family had the worst luck with the same transmission. manual ZJs: 600 made in 93, 400 in 94. All 4.0s, no V8s. It's really weird realizing that the owners of 0.3% of the man-trans ZJs on the planet are in my offroad club. I think some mantrans diesel and mantrans 4cyl (!) ZJs may have been made for the export market, but not sure.
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kastein posted:The 46RE in ZJs may not be that bad but my family had the worst luck with the same transmission. Believe it or not, the guy I bought my Audi Coupe GT from had a manual turbodiesel ZJ in his garage. I was jealous as hell.
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