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Tigntink posted:How many apodments do you really think are being built? There's only a few of those new buildings going up and most of them are being highly protested by the communities. I actually have no idea on the first part, the second part is pure NIMBY bullshit, which I think is fine to make fun of. I'm more concerned about skirting building and fire codes, because those are really important in a high density building. If that's actually the case, which I'm not 100% positive on. quote:The primary problem with the 15,000 new places opening up by 2015(rechecked numbers) is the vast majority will cost 40% more than average simply because they are new. However, if new tech workers who can afford these move in, that should open the older apartments and houses to others. I think this will always be the case unless there's some stockpile of used housing that isn't being rented out. That being said, I think you're right in that the tech workers will move in and open up cheaper housing. If nothing else, more housing (with associated occupancy) means more taxpayers, more density and makes things more efficient. Tigntink posted:Back to an old topic - Owner of Liberty Bar in Cap Hill just shot himself in the foot in my opinion This is what I was getting at earlier about small businesses. gently caress this owner, I hope national bank has the pleasure of foreclosing on the bar.
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Solkanar512 posted:This is what I was getting at earlier about small businesses. gently caress this owner, I hope national bank has the pleasure of foreclosing on the bar. The SEATAC had similar saber rattling from right wing types bragging how they had to lay off people due the wage increase law passing even though the nearby union staffed hotels kept their staff.
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Gerund posted:Its going to create a big conflict in a decade when the (now 30-40) adults get kids and try to decide where they are going to settle- because there aren't many places that have family jobs that also have family housing. They're going to have jobs in Seattle and have to buy houses in Renton, Kent, Federal Way, and Snohomish County. If you think the traffic is bad now, just wait a bit. Oh and yeah right as if serious transit will keep up.
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gohuskies posted:They're going to have jobs in Seattle and have to buy houses in Renton, Kent, Federal Way, and Snohomish County. If you think the traffic is bad now, just wait a bit. Oh and yeah right as if serious transit will keep up. Seattle: Land of a Million Startups, takes 30 years to build a train. Edit: Just checked, was approved in 1996, is currently ~20 miles long. Due to be finished in 2030ish. Mrit fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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gohuskies posted:They're going to have jobs in Seattle and have to buy houses in Renton, Kent, Federal Way, and Snohomish County. If you think the traffic is bad now, just wait a bit. Oh and yeah right as if serious transit will keep up.  Have faith. We are working so hard.
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The light rail we're building to be done in 2030 is barely sufficient for our current needs. But hey, that tunnel that will have virtually zero impact on the traffic? That baby will be done way sooner.
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Meanwhile, in Kirkland they're like "let's build a cable car!" That ought to ease the 405 grind.
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Why not have some kind of monorail parallel (give or take) the 99?
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Awesome thread--I love seeing all the info on Seattle stuff. One completely unrelated thing, does anyone know if the Egyptian theater in Capitol Hill was ever bought by anyone? I really miss that place and was sad to see it close down last year. I'm hoping SIFF picks it up and starts doing midnight movies there again. It's going to suck if they don't have that theater for the festival this year, since it's such a big venue and the existing theaters are already packed to the gills. edit: Also who else wants to say gently caress all this bullshit and move out to a quiet place in North Bend or Cle Elum? If I could find a good job that let me work from home all the time I would seriously consider it. mod sassinator fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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FRINGE posted:Why not have some kind of monorail parallel (give or take) the 99? So how the ST process works is: Corridors are identified by population density/ how many people it would serve. Then some plans get drawn up for various choices in the corridor (For northgate it was 99/I5/15th ave ne) and then a cost analysis is done and all along the way there are customer outreach meetings that will take input from locals. I attended a bunch of the northgate meetings, as ill be in walking distance to a stop. It's really useful and if you attend each meeting you can see the design changes as the project moves along and finalizes. There's usually an initial outreach, a 30% design, 60% design, 90% design plus maybe some meetings about art going into the station. Long winded answer for - 99 was considered on the north side. Edit: Forgot to add - for anyone who might think that what you say at the outreach meetings isn't recorded into public record: I thought that light rail would better serve going through lake city first, as it is a lower income high density corridor that is under served by buses. I wrote a long diatribe and talked to about 3 ST employees about it and in the end, they didn't go with it, but there is a line in the official record about the "lake city light rail corridor" :p silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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mod sassinator posted:Awesome thread--I love seeing all the info on Seattle stuff. A well-timed CHBlog post has the answer to your Egyptian question: http://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2...eing-evaluated/ "Nine months after the screen went dark at The Egyptian Theatre, the lights are still out at the at the prominent Capitol Hill cinema space. But CHS has confirmed the 600-seat theater will raise its curtain once again when it plays its part in hosting the 40th annual Seattle International Film Festival this May."
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mod sassinator posted:edit: Also who else wants to say gently caress all this bullshit and move out to a quiet place in North Bend or Cle Elum? If I could find a good job that let me work from home all the time I would seriously consider it. I've wanted to live in North Bend for years. I'd eat at Twede's and bike on the Snohomish River trail every day. But I know the commute would destroy my mind.
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SedanChair posted:I've wanted to live in North Bend for years. I'd eat at Twede's and bike on the Snohomish River trail every day. But I know the commute would destroy my mind. Yeah, I commute from Lynnwood into downtown each morning, and that is already gross. I will likely be moving to Everett soon due to the sheer cost of buying a house in Lynnwood, and that's at least another hour on the freeway each day. I can't imagine commuting from North Bend.
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In under-reported local-ish news: http://www.ballardnewstribune.com/2014/04/01/news/decline-or-renaissance-stakeholders-and-policy-ma quote:Decline or renaissance? Stakeholders and policy makers address the state of the maritime industry The port is making unspecific noise about 'abandoning' Seattle if they approve a minimum wage increase.
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In case you were under the impression that Seattle doesn't have a good complement of scum: http://realchangenews.org/index.php/site/archives/8799%22 quote:The Occidental Park melee began when Mia Jarvinen, a senior finance manager at Amazon, allegedly became enraged at the sight of a homeless man sleeping at the Fallen Firefighters Memorial. Brought to my attention by an Amazon employee who confirms that Jarvinen is still employed there.
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mod sassinator posted:Sounds like par for course for Amazon managers from what I hear. Not true Husband has been at amazon for 8 years and 4 different groups and everyone has been quite nice. There are just lovely people everywhere in every profession.However I find people in finance and lawyers pretty much tend to be the worst people on earth, with exceptions to like death penalty pro bono lawyers. silicone thrills fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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Gerund posted:In under-reported local-ish news: Their real problem isn't regulation or wages, it's that there's significant investment going on at other ports and huge incentives to use those other ports. For example, the Harbor Maintenance Tax is a tax levied on all goods that enter a US port. If you ship instead to Prince Rupert up in BC and run your goods on a train from BC into the US, you avoid the tax. They need to fix the HMT so it either doesn't exist at all or it's levied on all goods that enter the continent via a port, whether foreign or domestic. The Panama Canal is being expanded, it'll be easier and cheaper to run ships through and it will be able to accommodate post-Panamax sized ships. Why unload at Seattle and ship it across the country when you can just sail right to the East Coast? The canal's capacity will be doubled in 2015 and that is a game-changer. Global warming creating a Northwest Passage over the top of Canada could be a similar game-changer. And Canada is making huge investments in cross-continental rail to make Rupert even more attractive. Meanwhile we can't even connect the Port of Tacoma to highways 167 and 509, much less a serious cross-continental shipping line. The Ports of Seattle, Tacoma and Everett need to stop fighting with each other and start fighting against Price Rupert, Port of LA and the Panama Canal. They need to work together to make serious investments in making the Puget Sound an attractive place to ship to. This small-ball poo poo is a distraction.
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Wow I never heard about 'apodments' until now. Who would want to live in one of those things? I can kind of see as a kid fresh out of college who needs a cheap place to live for a few years. Would hate to see that crap become more prevalent though. It seems like more and more Seattle is getting closer to the hellscape of housing that is San Francisco.
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SedanChair posted:. . . allegedly became enraged at the sight of a homeless man sleeping at the Fallen Firefighters Memorial . . .
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SedanChair posted:In case you were under the impression that Seattle doesn't have a good complement of scum: There's no way those guys haven't strangled at least one hooker.
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gohuskies posted:Their real problem isn't regulation or wages, it's that there's significant investment going on at other ports and huge incentives to use those other ports. Worth noting, too, that Nicaragua is going to build their own canal.
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Bob Socko posted:What a bizarre thing to be enraged by. I can't think of a time I've passed through that neighborhood and not seen the homeless there. Unless they're high, the homeless in Seattle are pretty passive. Those filthy poors have no business lounging around civic shrines to ARE HEROES. After all, none of them actually own property for firefighters to save.
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I give the fire department props for basically saying "gently caress these guys." If that had been a couple of off-duty cops instead the chief would have said that it was totally justified.
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mod sassinator posted:Wow I never heard about 'apodments' until now. Who would want to live in one of those things? I can kind of see as a kid fresh out of college who needs a cheap place to live for a few years. Would hate to see that crap become more prevalent though. It seems like more and more Seattle is getting closer to the hellscape of housing that is San Francisco. In Tacoma I lived in a subdivided house apartment with a full kitchen and bath that was less than 180 square feet. I loved it and wish there were more options like that here. I would despise sharing a bath and kitchen though.
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mod sassinator posted:Wow I never heard about 'apodments' until now. Who would want to live in one of those things? I can kind of see as a kid fresh out of college who needs a cheap place to live for a few years. Would hate to see that crap become more prevalent though. It seems like more and more Seattle is getting closer to the hellscape of housing that is San Francisco. Goddamn kids and their rock music, and sock hops; wish they would get off my lawn!
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SedanChair posted:In Tacoma I lived in a subdivided house apartment with a full kitchen and bath that was less than 180 square feet. I loved it and wish there were more options like that here. I would despise sharing a bath and kitchen though. The shared kitchen/bath arrangements are an artifact of the regulatory environment niche which makes apodments profitable and avoid environmental impact studies. The apodment is not caused by good design work or meeting a need, just hucksters profiteering off of the municipal code.
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To be clear, I'd rather see cheaper normal housing like studios and 1 bedrooms. Apodments reek of 'new normal' bullshit that's just trying to get everyone to accept a loss of something (space to live, have guests, raise a family, etc.) as a good thing.quote:The shared kitchen/bath arrangements are an artifact of the regulatory environment niche which makes apodments profitable and avoid environmental impact studies. The apodment is not caused by good design work or meeting a need, just hucksters profiteering off of the municipal code. Exactly--the only person that benefits from an apodment is the developer who can cram more profit out of the same space area. mod sassinator fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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mod sassinator posted:Wow I never heard about 'apodments' until now. Who would want to live in one of those things? I can kind of see as a kid fresh out of college who needs a cheap place to live for a few years. Would hate to see that crap become more prevalent though. It seems like more and more Seattle is getting closer to the hellscape of housing that is San Francisco.
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Are there any realistic ways to improve the housing situation? I'm terrified things will get just as bad as San Francisco, where the median home price is over a million bucks. People are just going to keep getting pushed further from the city until everything is like Belltown. Can you imagine Capitol Hill, Queen Anne, Fremont, etc. when the only people that live there are folks earning $200k+/yr from MS, Amazon, etc?
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Xylorjax posted:Don't cap supply ould be a good start Yeah but it pretty requires thinks like smart planning and also recognizing that some historical buildings will get raised similar to New York City. Most of the SF mess is due to the combination of big compensation packages combined with big population growth. Most of the Bay Area is as a rule of thumb is zoned as low density suburbs.
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etalian posted:Yeah but it pretty requires thinks like smart planning and also recognizing that some historical buildings will get raised similar to New York City. Yeah, the reticence about doing any development has had a huge impact on SF's housing market. Those single-family domiciles take up a metric fuckton of space, that could better be used as apartments or condos. Mixed-use housing is awesome, and I don't understand the hate for it.
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We're barely even comparable to SF. SF barely allows any multi family housing and hasn't changed it's zoning in like a decade. We rezone every few years and there's a poo poo ton of multifamily + mixed use zoning. Every time ST buys land for new light rail, ST buys way more land area than they need and then interview buyers for "transit oriented development" so ST can ensure that what will be built there will be apartment/condos so you can't just have like CVS buy the lot and build a single level shopping center (like they tried to do in Wallingford)
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Xylorjax posted:Don't cap supply ould be a good start
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Cicero posted:Yeah, maybe I'm hopelessly naive but it seems like as land gets more valuable that would naturally incentivize developers to build taller buildings so you get more apartments/condos per square foot of land, which would slow the growth in housing prices. Of course you also need government to support that kind of development with infrastructure. Taller buildings piss people off. Less sunshine, impeded views for current residents, more traffic, yadda yadda. IIRC there was some bitching about raising height-caps in South Lake Union, but I don't remember what happened next.
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bartkusa posted:Taller buildings piss people off. Less sunshine, impeded views for current residents, more traffic, yadda yadda. Yeah, Seattle is waaaaaaaayyyy better than SF about development. Don't get me wrong, the vast majority of developers are complete shitpieces, but development is necessary when you've got a growing city. And our city is pretty awesome, so lots of people are moving here. I feel sympathy for the people being pushed out of SLU by rising rent and development, but at the same time, I'm glad that Amazon is taking the initiative in building sustainable housing for their employees near their offices, instead of just moving a ton of people out here and saying "go try and find someplace." It's a much more responsible way of doing things.
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Cicero posted:Yeah, maybe I'm hopelessly naive but it seems like as land gets more valuable that would naturally incentivize developers to build taller buildings so you get more apartments/condos per square foot of land, which would slow the growth in housing prices. Of course you also need government to support that kind of development with infrastructure.
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Thanatosian posted:Mostly, the city, Amazon, and Paul Allen collectively said "suck our collective dick." So company-towns are awesome and don't erode worker rights and civic ethics whatsoever? Cicero posted:I don't think apodments are a bad idea in and of themselves (some people just don't need or want much space), but as a symptom of a major housing crunch yeah they suck. Apodments are a symptom of broken regulatory system that creates a niche where a mutant developments with a large number of beds but few kitchens that would be otherwise DOA are actually a more efficient method of profiteering from a housing crunch.
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