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most media worth consuming is political, if not explicitly or directly or even intentionally so
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Mar 19, 2014 02:40
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Welp, just binned all my stereolab and crass cds
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Mar 19, 2014 05:21
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Ambrose Burnside posted:most media worth consuming is political, if not explicitly or directly or even intentionally so All media is explicitly and intentionally political hth
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Mar 19, 2014 05:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HRNZ1fo5G0
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Mar 19, 2014 05:46
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Snowy posted:Militia is my favorite "believe it or not they're not nazis" anti-fascist industrial/power electronic/noise/who cares band. And they do plenty of splits with the fascists, so basically everyone is full of poo poo and out to provoke because sensationalism is fun, and I'm ok with that. This poo poo is super rad.
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Mar 19, 2014 06:36
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Thanks for the recommendation on Militia. I'm a huge fan of Laibach and have followed them for years -- I collect their merchandise, and for a stint in grad school, wrote/researched on the NSK (Neue Slowinsche Kunst, "New Slovenian Art") movement they're involved in. They issued fake passports for the NSK in Yugoslavia that purportedly allowed some people to flee from warzones during the Balkan conflicts. My only real criticism with them is that there's some weird kind of symbiotic relationship with Slavoj Zizek, and that guy is insufferable. Also -- Laibach's commentary on Rammstein is the greatest: quote:When members of Laibach were asked by an interviewer about Rammstein "stealing" from them, they responded that "Laibach does not believe in originality... Therefore, Rammstein could not 'steal' much from us. They simply let themselves get inspired by our work, which is absolutely a legitimate process. We are glad that they made it. In a way, they have proven once again that a good 'copy' can make more money on the market than the 'original'. Anyhow, today we share the territory: Rammstein seem to be a kind of Laibach for adolescents and Laibach are Rammstein for grown-ups." Laibach would later provide a remix for the Rammstein single Ohne Dich. Drone and martial industrial is one of my guilty pleasures (I leave it on while working in the lab), and I hate admitting to enjoying it because the entire scene is populated by a slew of people who are absolutely, completely, entirely, definitely not neofascists (but hey want to read some Francis Parker Yockey in a totally not racist way? ...the Boyd Rice fans doth protest too much). It's gross. Bitchkrieg fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Mar 19, 2014 08:40
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i don't know if they should go in this thread, but someone posted Rome earlier(it owned btw) and it really reminded me of Agalloch, one of my favorite bands who really own. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrmF9mrE2vc
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Mar 19, 2014 09:20
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skasion posted:All media is explicitly and intentionally political hth
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Mar 19, 2014 09:33
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skasion posted:All media is explicitly and intentionally political hth Look sometimes a totenkopf and wolfsangel are just totenkopfs and wolfsangels. What's with your obsession with assigning value to my politically, racially, ideologically, and culturally charged symbols? You're the real fascist, trying to suppress my expression and question it. Here's a charming interview with Boyd Rice. He's the hero neofolk deserves. Bitchkrieg fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Mar 19, 2014 |
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Mar 19, 2014 10:00
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A Sloth posted:I find it funny Shekhovstov lectures academics on obscure neofolk bans as the great nazi threat. it's the far right equivalent of "lifestyle anarchism." harmless isn't the right word, but in terms of nazi stuff it's pretty anodyne.
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Mar 19, 2014 10:39
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Twee as gently caress posted:i love the mental contortions non-racist neo-folks fans go through another thing is that the crimes of the nazis were so bad, everything associated with them (including nazi aesthetics) has been tainted. like a lot of modernist art and architecture that had its roots in nazism has been quietly divorced from its origins. but just because the nazis built flak towers and atlantic bunkers doesn't mean you're forbidden to appreciate brutalism, which was directly inspired by it. art can have dodgy politics but still be "good art." it's more complicated because nazis tend to be furtive. they hide their politics, unlike communists who blah blah blah about it constantly. jonathan meades called nazis "pedophiles in jackboots."
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Mar 19, 2014 10:53
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Omi-Polari posted:some of them remind me of people who play WW2 nazi dress-up.
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Mar 19, 2014 10:55
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the crimes of Genghis Khan were so ratchet that we might as well get down to them and make music about it
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Mar 19, 2014 10:56
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cargo cult posted:drat this is all highly ambiguous, i'll have to give new consideration to Art which glorifies pedophiles and nazis. Much grey area, lots of intellectual stimulation the non-racist neofolk fans are spinning themselves into knots over this and it's retarded. they can recognize it as fascist music and still say that it's good on an aesthetic level.
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Mar 19, 2014 11:00
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(((((((what im trying to say is that is that simple inactive complicity with the Werhmacht was enough to get people shot in the loving face by their anglo-saxon bretheren in 1945)))))))))
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Mar 19, 2014 11:00
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Omi-Polari posted:another thing is that the crimes of the nazis were so bad, everything associated with them (including nazi aesthetics) has been tainted. like a lot of modernist art and architecture that had its roots in nazism has been quietly divorced from its origins. but just because the nazis built flak towers and atlantic bunkers doesn't mean you're forbidden to appreciate brutalism, which was directly inspired by it. art can have dodgy politics but still be "good art." Brutalism, stemming from functionalist architectural schools, predates nazism. Also the Nazis weren't the first or only ones to build concrete military structures.
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Mar 19, 2014 11:04
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its not enough to write off your fetishism as shallow intellectual curiosity or sexual deviancy b/c that wasnt enough to spare your life when we we're executing people for inciting genocide, I Hope This Helps
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Mar 19, 2014 11:04
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Omi-Polari posted:some of them remind me of people who play WW2 nazi dress-up. ----------------
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Mar 19, 2014 11:05
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cargo cult posted:its not enough to write off your fetishism as shallow intellectual curiosity or sexual deviancy b/c that wasnt enough to spare your life when we we're executing people for inciting genocide, I Hope This Helps
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Mar 19, 2014 11:16
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Omi-Polari posted:who cares enough to execute anybody over this stupid poo poo? neofolk is literally a cult led by a fat, old, gay nazi who covers his face and sings songs about being sad that his side lost/is doomed. Poster cargo cult is in the middle of a drunken shitposting binge that's taking multiple forums by a storm. Check out his posting history.
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Mar 19, 2014 11:20
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Omi-Polari posted:who cares enough to execute anybody over this stupid poo poo? neofolk is literally a cult led by a fat, old, gay nazi who covers his face and sings songs about being sad that his side lost/is doomed. steinrokkan posted:Poster cargo cult is in the middle of a drunken shitposting binge that's taking multiple forums by a storm. Check out his posting history.
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Mar 19, 2014 11:23
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The real issue with neofolk is not the fascism, it's that after listening to everything linked in this thread, all of it is either cod-dad-folk in uniforms or just really loving out of time and badly produced garbage electronica what the gently caress
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Mar 19, 2014 11:37
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Clamps McGraw posted:The real issue with neofolk is not the fascism, it's that after listening to everything linked in this thread, all of it is either cod-dad-folk in uniforms or just really loving out of time and badly produced garbage electronica
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Mar 20, 2014 01:08
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Particularly if you think Matmos sounds bad lol
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Mar 20, 2014 01:12
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I'm waiting for the time where Nazi-bait is no longer shocking and the club music fans start getting desensitized to it and these guys have to start emulating Jihadists to start be sensationalistic.
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Mar 20, 2014 01:33
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Young Freud posted:I'm waiting for the time where Nazi-bait is no longer shocking and the club music fans start getting desensitized to it and these guys have to start emulating Jihadists to start be sensationalistic. Muslimgauze has already kind of done that whole thing already
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Mar 20, 2014 01:36
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Young Freud posted:I'm waiting for the time where Nazi-bait is no longer shocking and the club music fans start getting desensitized to it and these guys have to start emulating Jihadists to start be sensationalistic. the straight edge hardcore scene did that back in the 90's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH7MC1LSatI
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Mar 20, 2014 01:40
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I contributed a track to a compilation with boyd rice on it so i've probably caused 5~ minority deaths
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Mar 20, 2014 01:47
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DIJ is p cool tho
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Mar 20, 2014 01:47
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Clamps McGraw posted:The real issue with neofolk is not the fascism, it's that after listening to everything linked in this thread, all of it is either cod-dad-folk in uniforms or just really loving out of time and badly produced garbage electronica
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Mar 20, 2014 04:12
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i tihnk, in my heart of hearts, that we are all cod dad folk, in some small way
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Mar 20, 2014 05:07
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5-HT posted:somebody say martial? I have toa dmit to liking arditi, their music goes well to playing dark souls. Although I would never actually buy one of their albums, I don't support obvious fascists.
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Mar 20, 2014 05:35
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I looked up DIJ on wikipedia and I can't tell if the guy is actually a fascist or not which I guess means he probably is. Ladytron covered one of his songs though only they edited it to be less racist.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRWquOxwYqg
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Mar 20, 2014 06:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vej0mX_Ka0E
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Mar 20, 2014 06:39
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ur all gay human being shitlords with terrible tastes into horrible music apox on ur assholes hth
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Mar 20, 2014 06:48
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aren't you the dude that posted the thread about how american natives are poo poo... gently caress you.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:50
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Foetus is actually good though, and not neo-folk.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:56
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Yeah they're not neo-folk, but they're pretty iffy lyrics wise. They're better musically by a wide margin than most of the groups discussed itt though.
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Mar 20, 2014 06:59
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Need some good ambient neo-folk pseudonazi music to play as propaganda for my post-apoc milsim larp group *bullet belt slides down brim of fedora*
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Mar 20, 2014 07:03
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