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Robhol
Oct 9, 2012
Extradite the terrorist. Also, we should legalise all drugs. Since alcohol is now too expensive to afford, the poor need something to distract them and it may as well be LSD or heroin.

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Nuramor
Dec 13, 2012

Most Amewsing Prinny Ever!
Keep the guy. Also, another vote for Implement Business Startup Campaign. We need to get a better GDP from somewhere.

Tetrodo
Oct 21, 2010
I find it kind of funny that banning creationism in schools is so expensive when that has been a total non-issue in Germany for a really long time. Makes me wonder how much of the starting policy setup of all the different countries is copy and pasted from the US as the default state.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe
Extradite the dirty terrorist and ban alcohol consumption.

GenderSelectScreen
Mar 7, 2010

I DON'T KNOW EITHER DON'T ASK ME
College Slice
Keep him and legalize LSD.

Robhol
Oct 9, 2012

Tetrodo posted:

I find it kind of funny that banning creationism in schools is so expensive when that has been a total non-issue in Germany for a really long time. Makes me wonder how much of the starting policy setup of all the different countries is copy and pasted from the US as the default state.

I seem to recall that the developer is from the UK, so it's really copy-pasting from the UK as a default state. But yeah, I think the game's model is only slightly tweaked to accommodate other countries.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Keep the man, ban creationism. It's 2014, time for Germany to proudly step out of the Middle Ages.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008

legalize everything

Nyaa
Jan 7, 2010
Like, Nyaa.

:colbert:
Germany is a nice place. Terrorist guest should stay.

Germany is great, all prostitutes is hot and fully legal.

Reinbach
Jan 28, 2009
Punish those who instigated the downward economic spiral. Luxury Tax

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

We cannot allow the middle east to maintain a terrorist-suspect-gap. Keep the guy!

Since we now have a fair bit of extra cash flow (especially if the luxury tax goes through), let's get right to spending it again: Implement State Housing

Kodos666
Dec 17, 2013
Don't bow down to foreign governments!

And furthermore Set Tasers to stun .

And we could rob people blind with taxes on booze and simultaneously promote alcohol-consumption? In case we're both financially and morally bankrupt, it's good to know we have a backup-plan.

Kodos666 fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Mar 21, 2014

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger
It occurs to me that, in addition to targeting the causes of our nation's problems, we should be picking demographics to focus on for our support base. We've got Environmentalists in the bag already, and socialists and state employees are doing alright, so could you tell us about one of our other big voting blocks - commuters.

Eastbound Spider
Jan 2, 2011



This guy sounds like a real keeper!


And i still stand for my legal drugs(all of them)!

Master of None
Nov 4, 2011
Exradite the terrorist, vote for space program again.

FredMSloniker
Jan 2, 2008

Why, yes, I do like Kirby games.

Covski posted:

Ban creationism in the schools, 21 PC - (8) votes

Shouldn't this cost 30, per earlier in the same post?

Ahundredbux
Oct 25, 2007

The right to bear arms
Send this scum away, Extradite the terrorist.

And while we're at it, please Tase me, bro!

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
Keep the charged man, screw Generistan, if they wanted him they should have signed an extradition treaty.

Also another vote for Ban Creationism in School

Izzus
Mar 14, 2014

The LFAP is an objective and just party. We should keep the charged man.
I am also extending my vote to legalize LSD. We've got riots, people, so this will legalize both the ganja and LSD, and we all know how docile stoners can be. Didn't you see what happened in the US with that occupy wall street bullshit?

Izzus fucked around with this message at 23:35 on Mar 21, 2014

Covski
Jun 24, 2007

Bringing the forums together with the greatest thread!

Robhol posted:

I seem to recall that the developer is from the UK, so it's really copy-pasting from the UK as a default state. But yeah, I think the game's model is only slightly tweaked to accommodate other countries.

I do indeed believe this is the case. However the DLC (or one of the recent patches) introduced an option to randomize the starting settings for the nation, giving a bit of variety in the policies and voter base you start out with. I haven't played around with it a lot, so I'm not sure if you can get some crazy starting situations using it. At least it gives the game an excuse for your not being like its real-world counterpart :)

FredMSloniker posted:

Shouldn't this cost 30, per earlier in the same post?

It should indeed, thank you. I know for sure I corrected it in some document or other, but it must have uncorrected itself. I will edit the post to be accurate!

A_Raving_Loon posted:

It occurs to me that, in addition to targeting the causes of our nation's problems, we should be picking demographics to focus on for our support base. We've got Environmentalists in the bag already, and socialists and state employees are doing alright, so could you tell us about one of our other big voting blocks - commuters.



Commuters like everything that makes their trip to work easier, such as cheap and efficient buses, trains and monorails. They dislike sitting on the bus forever due to traffic congestion. Their interest are often at odds with the motorists, who hate money being spent on transportation modes that don't involve them getting to drive their pretty cars. However, both groups enjoy low traffic congestion, so spending money on road building or other congestion-lowering solutions can end up pleasing both groups somewhat in the long run.

A_Raving_Loon
Dec 12, 2008

Subtle
Quick to Anger

Covski posted:



Commuters like everything that makes their trip to work easier, such as cheap and efficient buses, trains and monorails. They dislike sitting on the bus forever due to traffic congestion. Their interest are often at odds with the motorists, who hate money being spent on transportation modes that don't involve them getting to drive their pretty cars. However, both groups enjoy low traffic congestion, so spending money on road building or other congestion-lowering solutions can end up pleasing both groups somewhat in the long run.

Sounds like what these folks want is good for everyone. Going to vote to Expand Rail Funding, with intent to some day fund it by taxing gasoline.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE
Keep him!

Wagrid
Mar 15, 2014

Just a perfectly normal farm hand.
I want to vote for increased prostitution again and also vote that we keep the suspect.

Wagrid fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 21, 2014

IAmTheRad
Dec 11, 2009

Goddammit this Cello is way out of tune!
gently caress this planet. Extradite the suspect and let's Go to space

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
Hey Covski, can you show us what Legal Drug consumption effects?

Also Raise the Drinking Age to 21 It's the first tick that results in less alcohol consumption instead of more, and it's other effects aren't too extreme.

SirArthurIV
Feb 15, 2014
Well sir, There's nothing on earth like a genuine, bona fide, electrified six-car Monorail!

And let's keep that guy. What could possibly go wrong?

TaurusTorus
Mar 27, 2010

Grab the bullshit by the horns

Keep the guy after all, why would anyone want to leave glorious Germany? Implement Taser Policy now that we have robots, we must have a way to charge them on the go.

Covski
Jun 24, 2007

Bringing the forums together with the greatest thread!

paragon1 posted:

Hey Covski, can you show us what Legal Drug consumption effects?

We don't currently have any legal drug consumption (since no drugs are legal), but it is affected by how tolerant the laws are, the amount of taxation on legal drugs, and the GDP. It has negative effects on productivity, health, and also reduces alcohol consumption.

SirArthurIV
Feb 15, 2014

Covski posted:

also reduces alcohol consumption.
That sort of seems like replacing one problem with another, though.

Eumenides
Sep 24, 2007

This is the face of Lawful Good!

Fun Shoe

TheMcD posted:

Voting for extraditing the terrorist and implementing the Luxury Goods Tax. We taxed the poo poo out of the poor, now it's time to tax the rich.

I will vote for this as well.

Covski
Jun 24, 2007

Bringing the forums together with the greatest thread!

SirArthurIV posted:

That sort of seems like replacing one problem with another, though.

It does, doesn't it? It probably stands to reason that having a workforce addicted to heroin is even worse than having a workforce addicted to alcohol.

Anyway, as a heads up next update probably won't be until monday at the earliest, but I should hopefully be able to provide information if you need it in the meantime.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender
Keep the dude and make prostitution as legal as possible. We have the less booze, now it's time for the more hookers. And hey, people spending money on hookers aren't spending money on booze! It's a positive cycle!

OG Necromancer
Jan 20, 2014

Keep the dude

Also we need to get this poverty under control before doing anything else, Maximum funding for State Housing Or whatever you do for that. Give us the info on state housing.

flerp
Feb 25, 2014
Keep the poor dude, and if we're going ahead to make prostitution legal, might as well make all drugs legal. With super expensive taxes, obviously. You can have all the hookers, booze, and drugs you want, as long as we get all the money!

Arraxis
Jul 10, 2012
Keep the suspected freedom fighter and Fund the Space Program! I'd prefer maximum funding for it, but I don't want to split the vote - perhaps later we can up the funding.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

Baron O Beefdip posted:

Keep the dude

Also we need to get this poverty under control before doing anything else, Maximum funding for State Housing Or whatever you do for that. Give us the info on state housing.

He actually had that one already:

Covski posted:





State housing is very expensive, but it does have a great effect on reducing homelessness and improving equality. The capitalists hate it, of course.

Covski
Jun 24, 2007

Bringing the forums together with the greatest thread!
Deadline for the vote will be at 1PM GMT! I should be able to get the update out shortly after that.

The Saurus
Dec 3, 2006

by Smythe
LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS

Covski
Jun 24, 2007

Bringing the forums together with the greatest thread!
The final tally:

Extradite the suspect - 8
Keep him here - 18


Since there was no strong opinion either way, I decided to try out the idea of spending all available each turn. This will mean that small popular changes (and thus cheaper in PC) will be easier to implement. This will hopefully make things slightly more interesting and let us get more done each turn.

Ban creationism in the schools, 30 PC - (8)+4=12 votes
Senerio, Tetrodo, anilEhilated, Danaru
Implement Business Startup Campaign, 2 PC, - 170 Mn per quarter - (3)+1=4 votes
Nuramor
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More prostitution! 12 PC, no budget change. - (6)+3=9 votes
Nyaa, Wagrid, Haifisch
Implement Luxury Goods tax, 14 PC, +3 Bn per quarter - (4)+4=8 votes
TheMcD, Deceitful Penguin, Reinbach, Eumenides
Implement Taser Policy, routine level. 25 PC, -1.3 Bn per quarter - (5)+3=8 votes
Kodos666, Ahundredbux, TaurusTorus
Legalize all drugs, 27 PC, No budget change - (1)+5=6 votes
Robhol, Control Volume, Eastbound Spider, Broenheim, The Saurus
Implement Space Program, default funding, 24 PC, -8.48 Bn per quarter - (1)+3=4 votes
Master of None, IAmTheRad, Arraxis
Implement state housing, 13 PC, -17.13 Bn per quarter - 2 votes
Perestroika, Baron O Beefdip
Legalize LSD, 27 PC, no budget change - 2 votes
JGBeagle, Izzus
Expand Rail Funding, 10 PC, -4,17 Bn per quarter - 1 vote
A_Raving_Loon
Maximum restrictions on alcohol, 13 PC, no budget change - 1 vote
Z the IVth,
Raise drinking age to 21, 13 PC, no budget change - 1 vote
paragon1
Monorail!, 14 PC, -8.15 Bn per quarter - 1 vote
SirArthurIV
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Reduce Agricultural Subsidies by 50%, 10 PC, + 3.25 Bn per quarter - (2) votes
Remove restrictions on alcohol, 9 PC, no budget change - (1) vote
Abolish Sales Tax, 21 PC, -49 Bn per quarter - (1) vote

:siren:TURN 3 :siren:

The LFAP took a decisive stance for keeping the suspected terrorist in Germany. The move was cheered by the liberal majority, although patriot websites across the country expressed discontent at allowing a foreigner suspected of violent acts of terror to stay in the country.



The "Gott Raus!" act finally passes. Liberals celebrate what they call "Germany's long overdue step out of the medieval ages", as religious groups are disgusted by what they feel is an infringement of their rights.



At the same time, a less controversial proposal to support startups is snuck through the Bundestag, with the hope of doing something about the poor business climate in the nation.



After nine months of Lederhosen rule the state of Germany appears stable.



There is much rejoicing as the noted chemist Georg Schadenfreude wins the Nobel prize, bringing a prestige boost and stimulating investments in high-tech biochemical industries. Especially the patriots see this as proof that Germany is, in fact, the greatest country in the world.



However, the government's inability to balance the budget has caused the credit rating of Germany to be downgraded.



This is worrisome news for the budget, as the interests rates increase steeply.



Support for the LFAP remains high, with over three years left until the elections.



The popularity increase is largely attributed to the happiness of the liberal majority with most of the recent reforms.



The liberal glee over the Gott Raus! act and the asylum granted to the freedom fighter completely counteracts their displeasure with the introduction of police drones. As you can see, one of their other big gripes is the policy of compulsory ID cards. (which helps a lot in fighting crime, however)



The Nobel prize is exquisitely timed, as it makes the patriots promptly forget about that dirty terr'ist occupying our precious soil. They are still concerned that our military is too small to properly defend ourselves though.



The religious are quickly becoming one of the more unhappy groups, though it is expected that their membership numbers will drop over time with the policy of only teaching evolutionism in the school system. You'll also note that they have gained a bit of cynicism, making them less likely to trust the government in the future.





The increases in homelessness and rioting have evened out, and are remaining at a stable high level.





We are finally starting to see a decrease in alcohol consumption and thus abuse, due to the high taxes.

:siren: LEGISLATION TIME :siren:

No crisis to vote on this turn!

25 PC available. (we are expected to gain 24 next turn)

The agenda currently looks like this (note that some PC costs have been changed, in part do to changing political climate and in part due to me correcting earlier mistakes):

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More prostitution! 12 PC, no budget change. - (9) votes
Implement Luxury Goods tax, 14 PC, +3 Bn per quarter - (8) votes
Implement Taser Policy, routine level. 25 PC, -1.3 Bn per quarter - (8) votes
Legalize all drugs, 27 PC, No budget change - (6) votes (Conflicts with Legalize LSD!)
Implement Space Program, default funding, 24 PC, -8.48 Bn per quarter - (4) votes
Implement state housing, 13 PC, -17.13 Bn per quarter - 2() votes
Legalize LSD, 27 PC, no budget change - (2) votes (Conflicts with Legalize all drugs!)
Expand Rail Funding, 10 PC, -4,17 Bn per quarter - (1) vote
Maximum restrictions on alcohol, 13 PC, no budget change - (1) vote (Conflicts with Raise drinking age to 21!)
Raise drinking age to 21, 13 PC, no budget change - (1) vote (Conflicts with Maximum restrictions on alcohol!)
Monorail!, 14 PC, -8.15 Bn per quarter - (1) vote

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TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Luxury goods tax, now! Gotta get more money!

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