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2014 World Champion? This poll is closed. |
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| Valentino Rossi |
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13 | 19.40% |
| Jorge Lorenzo |
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13 | 19.40% |
| Dani Pedrosa |
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8 | 11.94% |
| Marc Marquez |
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33 | 49.25% |
| Total: | 67 votes | ||
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Marquez if he gets lucky in the crashing.
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Mar 21, 2014 06:09
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Yeah Ryder knows more about motogp than just about anyone else in the announcing booth.
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Apr 7, 2014 21:22
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Team Mamola for life.
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Apr 7, 2014 22:24
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^^^ My newsletter is so underground I haven't even started it yet, sozSpiffness posted:I guess that was a stupid way to say it. I enjoy Ryder's commentary, but he says some pretty silly things mid race and maybe they are intentional to lead the conversation for the audience but he can really come off like he's not got a clue sometimes. I kinda stopped watching because it's just not the same without eurosport2. 
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Apr 7, 2014 23:45
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darth cookie posted:In answer to your first question: Lorenzo is nowhere near as good a rider as marquez or stoner, not currently. Maybe he can mature and change, but he's just not at the same level. Interestingly enough, Spies thinks that Stoner is a much better rider than Marquez...I'm inclined to agree, unless Marquez can hop bikes/manufacturers and wins a championship out of the gate.
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Apr 17, 2014 17:41
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Traction control also really helps manage power delivery when you're getting that much power out of an engine and running it lean as hell to get the fuel to last the race.
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Apr 17, 2014 18:41
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:The man with more wins then Marquez last year on a slightly inferior machine, no where close to the same level. He has sabotaged his championship hopes this year by being a big gay spanish baby about his tires not working the way he likes but these two first races have been the biggest mistakes he has made since 2009 when he cracked trying to keep up with Rossi quote:Season Class Motorcycle Team Race Win Podium Pole FLap Pts Plcd Lorenzo posted:2013 MotoGP Yamaha YZR-M1 Yamaha-YMR 17 8 14 4 2 330 2nd Marquez posted:2013 MotoGP Honda Repsol Honda 18 6 16 9 11 334 1st Lorenzo might have better racecraft, but Marquez is unquestionably faster - 8 poles to Lorenzo's 4, and 11 fastest laps to Lorenzo's 2. Lorenzo has been riding the M1 since 2011 - he's got experience, one of the better bikes on the grid, a known history with the bike, the team, his crew chief, etc. Marquez won in his rookie year on a bike he'd never ridden before, in a class he'd never ridden before, on a chassis he'd never ridden before, from a manufacturer he'd never ridden before, to be both the first rookie in 35 years to win a GP championship and the youngest GP champion ever. Over the last 4 years, he's won 3 championships (125, 250, MotoGP - all on different bikes), and taken second in one (Moto2). Since 08, Lorenzo's been 4th, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, all in MotoGP, Lorenzo has never won a 125 championship, has 2 250 championships from 06, and has stuck with one manufacturer since the beginning of his time in GP. Frankly, if you let Marquez run 4 years on the same team and chassis, I don't think anyone would be able to touch him until he decided he was done. Same with Stoner, if he hadn't sunk his own ship by thinking GP was all about riding motorcycles. Basically, it shouldn't be possible for any rookie to win a GP, ever, much less set the majority of pole positions and fastest laps. Lorzeno doesn't compare to Marquez. Stoner does, maybe, MAYBE, Bayliss could have (only wildcard to ever win a MotoGP), but there is no one out there like Marquez right now - he's insanely fast and only looks to be getting better.
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Apr 17, 2014 23:03
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:Bayliss was beaten by his teammate all three years he was in motogp so I don't even know how you can say he had some blazing speed that Lorenzo will never possess. There's a reason teams are so reticent to take superbike riders over 250/moto2 prospects, they've underperformed big time. And Yes, that's what a wildcard is - a stand in for an injured/absent rider?  The Ducati was a totally poo poo GP bike. Still is. Stoner and Bayliss are the only people to put that bike on the top step, ever, which is the only reason I'd put them in the same class, potentially. The question is if Marquez is going to mature as a rider fast enough to crash less before he gets seriously injured. Also, I don't think Honda or Yamaha has a significant advantage - They pretty much fill the top 5 equally every year. Honda wins under Marquez and Stoner, and Yamaha wins under Lorenzo. When it comes to the aliens, they are the determiners of if the bike works, not the bike itself. Stoner somehow made the Ducati work, which no one else was ever able to do (except, of course, Bayliss). Also something that made me lol on Bayliss's wiki page: quote:His right hand was momentarily caught under the motorcycle during the crash, and the injury required the eventual surgical removal of a testicle [3] and of the intermediate and distal phalanges of his little finger. Bayliss' injury prevented him from competing in the second Donington race. He finished the season fourth overall. Basically, when Bayliss wasn't injured, he was a crazy good rider.
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Apr 18, 2014 00:01
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Bayliss did not win as a wild card, he was a replacement for Sete Gibernau.
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n8r posted:I thought they got rid of GPS stuff a few years ago and now do the corner by corner stuff via tracking the mileage or some other means. I think Bayliss winning the last race of 2006 was impressive but it shows how good the 2006 Ducati was not how good Bayliss was (he was a good superbike rider, no opinion on his GP performance). If Capirossi hadn't been tangled up in the crash with Gibernau he probablly wins the 2006 championship. Has any other wildcard ever won a gp race? Gibernau never even got the thing on the top step.
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Apr 18, 2014 06:21
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Bayliss owns.
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Apr 22, 2014 18:30
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Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/race/motogp-race/the-problem-at-ducati/ This just reaffirms Stoner was the best rider to ever turn wheel on a modern GP bike. Pity he wasn't cut out for the politics.
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Aug 1, 2014 04:52
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Anyone who is interested should read stoner's autobiography. I wasn't sure what to expect but he does a really good job of addressing the politics, why he quit, etc, without soapboxing too hard. At his core he's a country kid who loves riding bikes and has no head for the politics of the motogp world. He kept thinking if he got fast enough he could transcend politics but ultimately motogp is a very political thing and you have to be able to handle that - he couldn't so he proved to himself he was the best and got the gently caress out cause he hated everything but riding the bike. What nsap said too, though.
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Aug 1, 2014 05:43
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darth cookie posted:I don't know about that. If you win races then you have to go in for the after race interviews and I can't see how your manager can help you there if some hack asks a stupid question (or a hundred stupid questions over the course of the season). It's also kind of awkward if you want to skip out on signing autographs and stuff. More than likely, the manager would be pissing in your ear about making sure you were "marketable for the sponsors". Yup. He got really tired of people saying dumb poo poo.
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Aug 2, 2014 06:01
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Countersteering is clearly bullshit.
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Aug 18, 2014 19:40
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Those rotors look so loving fischer price. If it wasn't for the insane forks and calipers I would have guessed that was some jerkoff's first home brew carbon rotor attempt.
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Oct 10, 2014 21:23
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Club racing a few years back, the guy who was in second place protested the guy who's in first place front brake reservoir cap as not being stock, as per the (production) rules. This was after he had lost the last race, confirming he would place second. The protest was upheld, lead rider was given a one lap penalty, and the guy who finished second in the race won the championship as a result. Seems like the primary motivation was that he netted himself a pile of cash from his sponsors for snagging the #1 plate. It's pretty much the same thing in MotoGP except times 1000. You protest because there are hundreds of thousands of dollars in sponsorship money now and in the future as a result of if your rider gets first or second. You're racing for 100ths out there on the track, and you better believe if people have a chance to win a world championship based on a cunning protest, they're going to do that. It's win at all costs both on and off the grid, and protests are a huge part of that. Also, protests define what the acceptable behavior is on track, although every year as things get down to the final race they're going to get more and more aggressive as it's not like they can really penalize them on future races. Z3n fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 01:20
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nsaP posted:Yeah but my point was that their odd protest seemed to be 'he was racing me'. Of course his team goes for the other on track action. If it's at all questionable (ie, hard racing), then a protest is pretty much as a given.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:01
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nsaP posted:How is backing someone up by exiting a turn slowly anything close to hard racing or a violation of some rule? You're not supposed to ride erratically/slow down randomly to block other riders. Letting off the throttle when you're normally on the gas to slow another rider down isn't allowed. That's why they reviewed the datalogging traces where they discovered his tire spun up and he modulated the throttle to get it back in line to verify he didn't intentionally go slow to block. This is one of those gray areas about racing and what is intentional, especially when it comes to slipstreaming and swerving across track to stop other racers from drafting you.
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Oct 27, 2014 02:27
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There's a big difference between entering a corner on a slower entry line to throw off the people behind you, and shutting the throttle off when you're supposed to be pinned - this is what they're talking about with regards to intent on the link. The easiest way to think about it is like this - if you're doing the opposite of what you should be doing at that point in the corner, it's probably protest worthy. Z3n fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Oct 27, 2014 |
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Oct 27, 2014 03:38
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Right - that's different though. Running a blocking line and getting everyone to bunch up is good racecraft in that situation. Getting on corner exit and then shutting off the throttle randomly to force the people behind you to swerve/slow down to avoid you is dangerous and lovely.
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Oct 27, 2014 03:42
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nsaP posted:Yeah but you make it sound like he shut the throttle halfway down the straight instead of slid a bit on the exit of the turn. There's a shitload of trust in racing that the other guy isn't going to do something stupid - a little backing off the throttle might not seem like a big deal, but it's huge when you're a few feet off the guy's rear tire riding as fast as you possibly can. None of those guys retain any significant safety margin out there.
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Oct 27, 2014 05:06
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Yeah just show him one of the documentaries - it'll help him understand what is going on and give some context that should make it more interesting.
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Jan 24, 2015 16:49
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