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Potato Salad posted:On the other hand, money. Money gets people to pretend to be your friend.
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Potato Salad posted:On the other hand, money. Or they did until all that government backed quasi-private debt defaults and about a billion people retire. The U.S. only has a couple hundred million citizens with unfounded liabilities and a pretty nice currency printing press so we're good. Also, aircraft carriers.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Or they did until all that government backed quasi-private debt defaults and about a billion people retire. Depending on how you count because Marines. stone cold posted:Well, like for example, look at the Taiwan-Panama-PRC change up.
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oohhboy posted:Depending on how you count because Marines. I'm not talking about the US, though, like, I'm talking about the precious few states that recognize Taiwanese sovereignty. Like, it's down now to what....19?
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stone cold posted:I'm not talking about the US, though, like, I'm talking about the precious few states that recognize Taiwanese sovereignty. Like, it's down now to what....19? 19 is right according to the wiki. All the important states have an informal recognition which is 58 which is about a quarter. It doesn't matter too much if Taiwan never gets the full recognition as they are a country and no amount of cock blocking is going to change that. Everyone treats them as a state with treatise and what are effectively embassies via "trade offices". There are edge cases like the alleged con men extradited to the Mainland from Africa. Sucks about not getting into the UN and Chinese always having a cry whenever Taiwan shows up for like anything. In the end it's China being China with it's Face BS and just all round bad behaviour.
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oohhboy posted:19 is right according to the wiki. Well, yes. I believe the term is what, TECO? Recognition of sovereignty, though, still matters.
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Peven Stan posted:HIlarious how liberals are basically neocolonialists at heart "Neo"? Modern American liberalism was formed pretty explicitly as a project to continue the worldwide domination of free trade ideology that decolonization had threatened to end
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icantfindaname posted:"Neo"? Modern American liberalism was formed pretty explicitly as a project to continue the worldwide domination of free trade ideology that decolonization had threatened to end I just appreciate the constant pot kettle attacks from smug white liberals in threads about China China lusts for war, China has no friends, etc.: 
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Peven Stan posted:I just appreciate the constant pot kettle attacks from smug white liberals in threads about China lollin at Ukraine because this survey was in like 2013 or something (it's each country's majority answer for "who is the greatest threat to peace?")
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Fojar38 posted:lollin at Ukraine because this survey was in like 2013 or something (it's each country's majority answer for "who is the greatest threat to peace?") only thing that surprises me is pakistan picking us over india
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Peven Stan posted:I just appreciate the constant pot kettle attacks from smug white liberals in threads about China huh, i wonder what's up with the strange color of the flag in the local area china can project power in... weird
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It's almost like the majority of respondents based their opinion on which country they thought capable on entering and intruding in their domestic sphere. Except for Italy who is apparently worried about China a lot. I do like the redirect though after claiming that saying France is better able to project force is an endorsement of imperialism. Yes statements of facts are an expression of political support or condemnation. Saying that France in 1940 was ill prepared to combat a militarily superior Germany is actually me stating my preference for Nazism over soft, weak bellied liberal democracy, if I actually like democracy I would be standing here insisting France was just as strong, if not stronger and in fact their loss was a sign of the unfair global hegemony enjoyed by fascists at the time which negated the infinite strength lent to France by the democratic engagement of it citizen. Also what's that small light blue country with a single star in Kenya?
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MrNemo posted:Also what's that small light blue country with a single star in Kenya? Somalia.
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My favourite part of that image is Iraq apparently being more terrified of Israel than the US.
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MrNemo posted:It's almost like the majority of respondents based their opinion on which country they thought capable on entering and intruding in their domestic sphere. Except for Italy who is apparently worried about China a lot. that's the afghani flag
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Also poll respondents can be wrong about things. Like Ukraine being worried about the US instead of the country that literally invaded them a couple years later
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Moroccans sure are worried about Israel.GhostofJohnMuir posted:huh, i wonder what's up with the strange color of the flag in the local area china can project power in... China projects power like a guy with an UTI pees. All over the place, but mostly around his shoes. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:huh, i wonder what's up with the strange color of the flag in the local area china can project power in... no surprise that first-generation chinese american deplorables are also deservedly reviled by a lot of vietnamese-americans and filipino-americans (among others) as well lol Jerry Manderbilt fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Chinese debt hit 300% of GDP as of May.
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese debt hit 300% of GDP as of May. Oh good.
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I imagine it doesn't measure shadow banking?
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:no surprise that first-generation chinese american deplorables are also deservedly reviled by a lot of vietnamese-americans and filipino-americans (among others) as well lol We should split China in half down the Yangtze and give the southern half to Vietnam and the Philippines to rule as colony
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese debt hit 300% of GDP as of May. How high was Greece's debt before EU screwed them over?
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese debt hit 300% of GDP as of May. Misleading post. Total debt hit 300% of GDP, not just public debt. Total American debt to GDP ratio is 350%
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Peven Stan posted:Misleading post. Total debt hit 300% of GDP, not just public debt. Total American debt to GDP ratio is 350% Yeah Chinese state debt is about 46%, the vast majority of total debt is household debt. Ardennes fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Fojar38 posted:Chinese debt hit 300% of GDP as of May.  quote:"The household debt-to-GDP ratio hit an all-time high of over 45 percent in the first quarter of 2017 —well above the Emerging Market average of around 35 percent. In addition, our estimates based on monthly data on total social financing suggest that China's total debt surpassed 304 percent of GDP as of May 2017," the IIF noted.
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Ardennes posted:Yeah Chinese state debt is about 46%, the vast majority of total debt is household debt. Wait, I thought it was (often state owned) corporate debt? Like: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-08-28/digging-into-china-s-growing-mountain-of-debt
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Isn't all debt State debt in a communist country? Yeah, yeah I know it's not true communism. But didn't the State guarantee a lot of that corporate debt even when the company wasn't in part owned by the State?
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Krispy Kareem posted:Isn't all debt State debt in a communist country? Ehh, "guarenteed". It's not likely the government would actually stand by all of it when push came to shove, and legally they don't have to. It just doesn't count the same as direct state debt.
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Krispy Kareem posted:Isn't all debt State debt in a communist country? the big four banks in china (boc, ccb, icbc, and abc) are state owned and a number of banks are owned in majority by the public or by municipalities or the sars but that being said, there are a number of commercial banks in china both domestic and international iirc the banking commission just allowed five new ones to open within the last couple of years so 
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fishmech posted:Ehh, "guarenteed". It's not likely the government would actually stand by all of it when push came to shove, and legally they don't have to. It just doesn't count the same as direct state debt. The entire Chinese financial system is based on the implicit guarantee that the CCP won't allow a crash, a significant decline in growth, or any form of instability whatsoever. It's a giant game of chicken. So far they haven't allowed it, and the consequence has been at least a decade of junk and sludge filling up the Chinese economy that the CCP won't allow to be purged because it would cause a financial crisis and a catastrophic decline in growth if they're lucky. Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:Wait, I thought it was (often state owned) corporate debt? Yeah, I forgot to edit that post, but yeah it mostly corporate debt, admittedly though there are close links with most Chinese corporations and the government. It is very much, in my opinion, the closest analog is Japan in the late 1970s/1980s after the main phase of high growth dropped from the 1960s/early 1970s. That said China does still have two things going for them compared to Japan of the early 1990s, they are still relatively undeveloped compared to Japan of that period (although catching up) and its population growth is still higher (very slowly accelerating). I could see China's grow slowly stagnant, but I don't know if it would actually largely flatline like Japan but simply be closer to the international norm (2-3%). Ardennes fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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