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Badfinger posted:Which means Rujasu's post needs to be corrected on that point. You can't actually "run out of options" on a player. They are option years, so the first time that player is optioned in the season, the option year is exercised. What people mean when they say a team has run out of options on a player is that he has no more option years remaining. You can shuttle some poor bastard back and forth as often as the rules stipulate during any given season provided they are in an option year. "Out of options" is how it's usually phrased, but yes, "out of option years" would be more accurate. A common scenario goes something like this: - In the 2014-2015 offseason, Billy is a hot prospect coming off a great year in AA and is added to the 40-man roster. He now has three option years remaining. He reports to 2015 spring training with the big-league team, though he is not considered ready for MLB. At the end of spring training, he is optioned to AAA as was the plan all along (two option years remaining). In September, MLB rosters expand to 40 and Billy gets to spend a month pitching long relief with the big-league club. - In 2016, Billy gets to compete for a rotation spot in Spring Training, but is unable to beat out 33-year-old veteran Jim Journeyman for the fifth starter position and is sent to AAA (one option year remaining). In May, Journeyman suffers an injury and is put on the 15-day DL. Billy is recalled to the big league team to take his place. When Journeyman is healthy again, Billy is returned to the minors (but still has his one option year!) As the year goes on, Billy continues to go back and forth between the majors and minors several times as needed. - In 2017, Billy is named the fifth starter out of Spring Training (still has one option year). He sucks. In July, he is sent to the minors to work on his mechanics (using up his remaining option year). He is recalled in August for a spot start, then is sent back to the minors (since 2017 is still an option year for him). - In 2018, Billy is with the team in Spring Training again, but there's a catch. He's now out of option years. From now on, if the team wants to send Billy to the minors, they must expose him to waivers. So the team has a tough decision to make. Try Billy in the rotation again? Move him to the bullpen despite his inexperience there? Or put him on waivers and risk losing the once-promising youngster?
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Note that the team would never just spontaneously add Billy to the 40-man during the offseason, unless 1) they had a contractual obligation to do so, or 2) he was eligible for the Rule V Draft.
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A couple other fun notes: If a player is eligible for selection in the Rule 5 Draft and had their contract selected and were added to the 40-man roster after a certain date in the season (August 15 last season, I don't know if this is the same date every year), they have Draft Excluded Status and cannot be optioned or sent outright to the minors until 20 days prior to MLB Opening Day. If a player uses all 3 option years but does not acquire enough MLB service time, they can be eligible for a 4th option year. Any player who has minor league options left and who has accrued at least five years of MLB Service Time and any ex-NPB player exempt from international signing bonus pool restrictions must give his consent (in advance) before he can be optioned to the minors. Any signed player who has accrued at least five years of MLB Service Time and any signed ex-NPB player exempt from ISBP restrictions must give his consent (in advance) before he can be sent outright to the minors. Also, any player who has accrued at least three years of MLB Service Time or who qualified as a "Super Two" player after a season has the right to refuse an Outright Assignment and elect free-agency I stole these straight from a Cubs blog where a poster known as AZL Phil keeps track of the Cubs 40 man roster and all of the special circumstances. It serves as a good primer to roster rules. http://www.thecubreporter.com/cubs-40-man-roster http://www.thecubreporter.com/mlb-roster-rules-presented-arizona-phil
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Are option years necessarily the first years a player is on the major league roster? Could Tommy Transcendent, with a 92mph overhead curve who goes right to the majors and does his best Fernando Valenzuela impersonation for two years before his mechanics get crossed up by a well-meaning but idiotic pitching coach have option years left on years 3-4 of his four year rookie contract?
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Everblight posted:Are option years necessarily the first years a player is on the major league roster? Could Tommy Transcendent, with a 92mph overhead curve who goes right to the majors and does his best Fernando Valenzuela impersonation for two years before his mechanics get crossed up by a well-meaning but idiotic pitching coach have option years left on years 3-4 of his four year rookie contract? He doesn't burn any options if he doesn't get sent down. You can have a player in year 10 as a major leaguer with 3 options if he never gets sent down. See the above guide to roster rules. tadashi fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Dec 30, 2014 |
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I believe the "four year rookie contract" you're referring to is not something that exists in MLB any more, unless Tommy is an international free agent. Teams used to sign top draft picks to major-league contracts, but that's no longer allowed with the current draft rules. Assuming Tommy is an American coming out of high school or college, he gets drafted #1 overall. He gets a monster signing bonus and the standard minor-league developmental deal. Since he's the extremely rare type of prospect who does not need time in the minors (this happens like once a decade for the record) his team purchases his contract and brings him to the majors immediately, putting him on the 40-man and 25-man rosters. Since he was drafted in June, we'll assume all of this happens in early July. 2015: Tommy's first (half) year, he makes the league minimum (auto-renewal) and is amazing. He still has three minor-league options. Including this year, he will be under team control for six years. 2016: Tommy's second year, same thing. Auto-renewal. He still has three minor-league options. 2017: Tommy's third year, he is a "super two" and is eligible for salary arbitration. They agree to a one-year contract for a few million. (They could actually agree to a multi-year deal at this point, but that changes everything. We'll assume they don't.) Halfway through the year, he goes to the minors to get his mechanics straightened out. 2017 is his first option year, so he'll have two left. 2018: Tommy has two option years remaining. Again, he's eligible for salary arbitration. The arbitrator sides with the team. He starts the year in the minors, so there goes his second option year. He turns things around and returns to the majors, one of the best pitchers in baseball in the second half. 2019: Tommy has one option year remaining. He is again eligible for salary arbitration. The arbitrator sides with Tommy. He starts the year in the majors. He has a mediocre year but spends all of it in the majors. 2020: Tommy has one option year remaining, but thanks to his five years of service time, he refuses to be sent to the minors. Again, salary arbitration happens. He spends the year in the majors. At the end of the year, he is a free agent.
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tadashi posted:If he gets to super 2 status, by having less than three years of service time but more than two and ranking within the top 22% of all 2-year players in terms of service time, the team has to get his permission to send him down in the future even if he has options left: any player who has accrued at least three years of MLB Service Time or who qualified as a "Super Two" player after a season has the right to refuse an Outright Assignment and elect free-agency. Are you sure about this? Options and Outright Assignment are not the same thing. Outrighting is what you do when the guy is out of option years.
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rujasu posted:Are you sure about this? Options and Outright Assignment are not the same thing. Outrighting is what you do when the guy is out of option years. I kind of garbled that up. You can outright a player to remove them from the 40 man roster so they could be outrighted even if they have options left. I guess you can strike what I said.
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