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The movie is definitely political, and that is not a bad thing at all. I mean, the plot revolves around the bad guys doing some stuff the US government is doing now. Natasha even does something similar to Edward Snowden but she gets away with it because she helped save the world. Although it is funny that it sounds like a Godwin argument: You know who taps phones and trespass international borders? Nazis (or a Nazi offshoot)!. I also don't think they are just trading one form of fascism for another at the end. Avengers reacts to things, they don't go wiretapping phones and killing people who are considered potentially dangerous. As for the rest of the movie, it seems more and more that Whedon might be the weakest director Marvel has. This movie had directors who worked on sitcoms and they could make action scenes that look way better. There were some pretty good emotional character moments too like Steve visiting an old Peggy and him going to the Smithsonian. Although I do agree that some elements of the movie seems like it's meant to set up Phase 3 films. The mention of Stephen Strange almost too casually makes me wonder who he is in the movie universe.
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Arnim Zola's appearance in this movie is both less ridiculous than in the comics and yet still completely nuts in a way typical of comic books (or 1950s scifi). Regarding the midcredits scene, did anyone else think of River Tam when they saw Scarlet Witch? I mean, Whedon did direct it after all. Slaapaav posted:I read some comics from 1960 something and Black Widow is a full grown woman in them. HOW OLD IS SHE??? DeathChicken posted:Same way Frank Castle is probably somewhere in his 40s but served in Nam. "Magic."
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Party Boat posted:Is the Winter Soldier's hair-curtains-and-stubble combo what he looks like in the comics? It kept reminding me of Matt Berry, who would have brought something very different to the role: This is how he usually looks: 
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edit: ^^^ What he said. ^^^Waterhaul posted:My point was Bucky doesn't work for the Soviet Union in the films but still has a Soviet Star on him because that's what he looks like in the comics. Hydra are never shown to have any connections to Russia in the film and SHIELD seem to be strictly a US organisation corrupted by Zola and other Super Nazi's I think the flashback showed that Russians found Bucky after he fell off the train. It's possible that Hydra acquired him some time during the Cold War. If they infiltrated SHIELD, they might have agents within the Soviet Union as well.
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Apr 2, 2014 09:43
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I don't know about you guys, but I think the mid-credits scene might be an Insane Clown Posse song reference.
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Apr 3, 2014 02:57
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Baron Bifford posted:Why would an American living in America get recommended French pop culture by fellow Americans? I wonder what the Chinese list looks like. Probably not going to find Tienanmen Square on that list. "Nanking" probably is, though. Now I want to know the Japanese list as well. aBagorn posted:France owns. I would love to see Cap's reaction to this. It would certainly prepare him for meeting the Guardians of The Galaxy characters, and maybe Avengers 3 in general.
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turtlecrunch posted:I disliked one really stupid scene where the Hydra scientist captured by Cap&Co has been uploaded into a 1950s computer for some reason, makes a flimsy exposition dump about how SHIELD is Hydra now, then allows himself to die to a missile because HEIL HYDRA He sacrificed himself in an effort to kill Steve and Natasha, the biggest threat to their operations now that they thought Fury is dead. Zola had done his job at that point, so he probably thinks that it was his final contribution to Hydra. He also looks like this in the comics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnim_Zola
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. Not just a sloppy exposition but also a bad rendition of the character, who in Cap1 was perhaps the most skeptical member of Hydra.
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OldTennisCourt posted:Actually, hasen't Chris Evans also stated he's getting tired of being Cap? That would be a good way to kill his Cap off and then introduce Bucky-Cap. Chris Evans said he will finish his 6-movie contract. That would cover 3 Captain America movies and 3 Avengers.
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Toplowtech posted:Yes but Sebastian Stan has now a 9-Picture Marvel deal. That just means that Sebastian Stan will likely be in movies after Avengers 3 unlike Chris Evans.
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Cap has always been political in the comics. He was portrayed as being against the McCarthy-era anti-Communist paranoia as soon as he was thawed. One storyline had Nixon as the villain (even though he was revealed to be a fake Nixon, I think) and he was disillusioned with American government more than once.
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Apr 5, 2014 02:34
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Bruceski posted:Nah, most of us are harmless. Talk a big game but don't back it up. You forget that this is a Marvel universe. One day a Kree chemical container might fall from the sky and suddenly Supermechagodzilla is an actual supermechagodzilla.
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Apr 5, 2014 07:03
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I really want to see the scene where the Helicarriers are targetting people again. There have got to be a lot of names shown there in a split second.
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Phylodox posted:I wonder if they'll change the name to Agents of ???[/i] Agents of HATE? Not everything in the movies and show happens at the same time, of course. They had a Thor 2 crossover a few months ago and a Cap 2 crossover right now.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Are they ever gonna actually do anything interesting with him? It's a waste of Renner to have him show up for 3 minutes in Thor and spend half of his time in Avengers under mind control. Kevin Feige said him and Hulk will get the spotlight in Avengers 2. Makes sense since they don't have their own movies, and I think Hawkeye was involved with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch joining Avengers in the comics.
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Charlz Guybon posted:I haven't read that story. But I think it's important to Cap's story that he chooses to knowingly take the risks of experimental science and become Captain America. Being a victim of an unethical racist experiments that just happened to turn out well completely changes who he is. Black Captain America is actually a separate character from Steve Rogers. Rogers did not know about about the test subjects before him. Bucky had his backstory retconned too in the comics, as I recall. He was apparently trained to secretly perform tasks someone like Rogers would never agree to. Recent comics basically made Captain America a good upstanding symbol of all that is good with humanity, while surrounding him with a lot of things that are wrong with humanity in general. The MSJ fucked around with this message at 03:37 on Apr 8, 2014 |
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Cap's notebook list from around the world.
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If Marvel can hire James Gunn, they can make Neveldine and Taylor direct another Marvel movie. edit: 
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Baron Bifford posted:In the movies, only Spider-Man can keep his identity secret. Using Mephisto is cheating.
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I think there was also Punisher killing Banner in that story where he kills every major Marvel character. He put a tracking device on Hulk and used it to find Banner. He kills Banner who was probably exhausted right after unhulking.
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Apr 10, 2014 15:29
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Once you start reading CineD, you will realise there are no true 'mindless' entertainment. Not even Chainsaw Scumfuck.
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We can even make Weaving play an entirely different character, like Baron Zemo or Ghost Rider.
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Iron Man 3's end credit is also good because it gave us "Iron Man Three" and that wouldn't have worked at the beginning.
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Wade Wilson posted:In-movie-universe, that's how we ended up with Blonsky's Abomination in the Ed Norton Hulk movie. It's kinda how we got Hulk as well.
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