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Saw this movie in Korea and Ji Su Park and Oldboy were on it. Now Oldboy I can definitely see having resonance for Cap since his being frozen for 70 years could be considered analagous to the main character of Oldboy being locked away from society for years, but why would Rogers give a flying gently caress about Ji Su Park (soccer star). Should have Gangnam Style or something instead. Anyway, about the movie. This may be the best Marvel movie yet, if not it is tied with the original Ironman in my opinion. The action is great, with some of the best acrobatics I've ever seen. The plot has surprising political depth for a superhero movie. This is what the Marvel Civil War should have been. I really like how everything wasn't reset at the end of the movie. With Black Widow's disclosure SHIELD is through and Fury is living off the grid.
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Away all Goats posted:Those things on his list are things other people recommended to Cap to check out, not what Cap thought would be interesting. I'm pretty sure Koreans are self aware enough to understand that he's not going to care about Ji Su Park. The average Korean are certainly much more likely to bring up music in a casual conversation than sports. On another note, how can Black Widow be an ex-Soveit agent if she was born in 1984? Was she shanking dudes at age 6?
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Apr 2, 2014 00:29
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Slaapaav posted:I read some comics from 1960 something and Black Widow is a full grown woman in them. HOW OLD IS SHE??? Yeah, but they explicitly said in this movie that she was born in 1984 and they say she worked for the KGB. Unless the USSR hung on for another ten years in this timeline than it doesn't add up.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:34
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FelixReynolds posted:That's a big part of what I was wondering- if the information that was being used as the base for the 1984 DOB was just part of her cover, and that the big finale now had all her actual info out in the open. Am just really curious how much they follow the usual Widow story which is that she's nearly the same age as Cap (maybe even actually trained with/under the Winter Soldier too) and has just been keeping it all a much better secret. Teen ScarJo? She was seven when the USSR fell if that birth date is right.
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Apr 2, 2014 05:18
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Waterhaul posted:Black Widow has pretty much the same forumla in her that keeps Fury young she's actually in her 80s. Punisher is literally an Angel of Death who has been reborn multiple times. Because comics. That would depend on when she defected though and also assumes there weren't clashing factions within the Soviet Union.
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Apr 2, 2014 09:28
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Waterhaul posted:That part just seems weird then. Russia got this ultimate solider who is able to kill anything, until the film happens, they give him a metal arm and then just sell him off to Hydra with a note of "please remember to continually freeze and mindwipe him to keep him under your control". I get what you're saying but everything about Hydra in the film just seems ridiculously over complicated and messy. Though to be fair I also think Johansson is a terrible Black Widow and hate the stuff they do with the character. Saw the movie a 2nd time and she said she fought the winter soldier five years ago. Presumably she was with SHIELD by then.
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Apr 2, 2014 15:25
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Another thing I just thought of. Zola knew about Fury's death, so he's got to have had access to the internet. He's definitely got backups out there. I wonder if he'll be involved in the origin of Ultron here?
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Apr 3, 2014 00:30
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Baron Bifford posted:This sounds more like Captain Republican to me. I don't see how it aligns with either modern political parties.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:09
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Yawgmoft posted:Is it just me, or did Cap basically send a lot of people to their deaths for no gain? "HYDRA is here, stay down" was all well and good, but everyone that chose to try and fight back died for no reason. Guards got shot, crews got mowed down, and the pilot brigade all got wiped out and none of them accomplished anything. Seems like a pretty bad call on Cap's part. All the enemies who had to spend time fighting loyal shield members were enemies who were not trying to stop Cap, Falcon, Black Widow and Agent Hill. The last was especially vulnerable. It was a good diversion of enemy resources. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 05:35
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CelticPredator posted:Marvel films have been with fire breathing flame people, Flame people? Am I forgetting something obvious? I'm not sure if it was the theater. The action was very frenetic with a lot of quick cuts. I loved it, but I understand if not everyone likes that style.
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Apr 4, 2014 06:57
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turtlecrunch posted:I disliked that everyone who isn't Cap seems to get up from their injuries with no real issue, which is very Hollywood but not in keeping with the idea that Cap is a "perfect soldier"...he's the only one who ever seems to be in any pain at all! Fury and Natasha both get shot and almost die. Tons of loyal Shield members are killed.
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Apr 4, 2014 07:08
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turtlecrunch posted:The best example of his super-humanity was when the missile hit and he was groaning but up and about, while Natasha was unconscious, the second-best was that he was eventually able to get up and do Cap stuff after he was shot. However, he then passed out again after getting punched a few times by WS's metal arm. I think all the Cap stuff was fine and Chris Evans was great.\
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Apr 4, 2014 08:29
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The MSJ posted:He sacrificed himself in an effort to kill Steve and Natasha, the biggest threat to their operations now that they thought Fury is dead. Zola had done his job at that point, so he probably thinks that it was his final contribution to Hydra. He also looks like this in the comics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnim_Zola He probably has a backup somewhere. How would he know Fury is "dead" if he didn't have access to the internet?
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Apr 4, 2014 08:33
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Vishass posted:Kind of wish the post credits scene was Hawkeye sitting on his couch with pizza dog watching all the Buffy the vampire slayer DVDs and we pan over to his answering machine and it has like 50 missed calls
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Apr 4, 2014 15:15
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Blazing Ownager posted:Am I the only one that thinks Iron Man 2 is bar none, absolutely the bottom of the bunch? I thought that was near universal opinion. I agree with you. IM2 was the worst of the MCU films
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Apr 5, 2014 11:34
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The_Rob posted:So gratuitous murder is alright because it's a soldier? You don't see anything kind of wrong with that? Again not to mention that for such a violent film getting a view of the actual consequences is non existent. I mean I guess that's a bigger problem with pg 13 movies in general. Superman has the luxury of being so powerful that he can stop human enemies without killing them. Cap doesn't have that luxury.
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Apr 5, 2014 14:57
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raditts posted:Didn't Captain America fans poo poo their pants way back when they did that storyline of a black Captain America created from the Tuskeegee experiments? I remember reading that in a magazine at the time. I haven't read that story. But I think it's important to Cap's story that he chooses to knowingly take the risks of experimental science and become Captain America. Being a victim of an unethical racist experiments that just happened to turn out well completely changes who he is. If you're going to make Cap an African-American he has to choose to become him despite knowing the risks.
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Apr 8, 2014 03:14
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Baron Bifford posted:Am I the only one on the planet who thinks Iron Man 3 was great? I thought it was a big step up from IM2, so mixed rather than bad.
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Apr 8, 2014 04:49
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al-azad posted:As an aside, almost no one caught the Pulp Fiction reference at the end. My friend and I burst out laughing and even after the credits the guy sitting behind me asked "Why were you laughing at that scene?" Doesn't Pierce quote it as well when talking to Cap? After he tells the story of how Fury rescued his daughter he said "He truly was his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children."
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Apr 9, 2014 05:02
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AtraMorS posted:He didn't quote it I don't think but I caught that too. That line is part of Jules bible verse, how is it not a quote?
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Apr 9, 2014 05:34
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Cardboard Box A posted:Cap and crew probably figured that since Falcon was black everyone would assume he wasn't HYDRA. There were definitely several black hydra members, and Cap fought one in the elevator IIRC.
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Apr 11, 2014 05:49
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Alan Smithee posted:Can someone explain the Algerian mercenary on the ship? How the hell did he even stand a chance against Capn was he a supersoldier?
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Apr 11, 2014 06:29
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Yvonmukluk posted:Hey man, he was getting caught up on Dog Cops, give him a break. I keep seeing this, what is this a reference to?
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Apr 11, 2014 08:17
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So, President Ellis has been having a rough term. First his VP commits treason and tries to have him assassinated and then HYDRA nearly pulls off a coup and was seconds away from killing millions. Thousands of people were killed in fighting between HYDRA and SHIELD loyalists. SHEILD was so compromised it's been disbanded and all of it's intelligence was dumped on the internet. That's not even counting the alien invasion of NYC. Was SHIELD's nuke attempt common knowledge? (I can't remember). If not it is now. Congressional committees calling in Black Widow to testify are going to be less about the state of American intelligence and more about covering their own assess and blaming someone else in power for the debacle. I'd be surprised if the opposition didn't try to impeach the President. Of course, given how long HYDRA has been growing inside SHIELD both parties are guilty of lax oversight. This is complicated by Senator Stern, whichever party he's affiliated with is going to take a big hit. He's from Pennsylvania so he could be a Republican or Democrat, I don't recall it being specified. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 12, 2014 08:52
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:
9/11 probably happened, but I'm pretty sure the alien invasion of Manhattan we saw in Avengers would overshadow that in popular imagination. EDIT: Does the MCU have a Department of Homeland Security? I don't recall it being name dropped but I could of missed it. I think SHIELD is that universes DHS and it was founded in the 50s. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 03:45 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm working with what they give me. The entire Marvelverse centers around an organization that's part of - or is - the Department of Homeland Security, yet 9/11 is never mentioned. Saying HYRDA was behind the Cold War or the War on Terror is going way beyond the evidence offered. HYDRA inflamed tensions, but they aren't the root cause of them. They let some bad things happen they could have stopped, they assassinate a few people and blow up a few buildings, that doesn't make them masters of the universe. Just because the Red Skull was against Hitler doesn't make him an antifascist. Mao was against Khrushchev, does that make him an anticommunist? Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 04:39 on Apr 13, 2014 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Conspiracy theories tend to center around the figure of 'the Jew', an amorphous enemy with multiple guises. 'Reptilian shapeshifters', 'the Illuminati' and/or 'satanists' are 'Jews' by another name, always playing the same role in the conspiracy narrative. How about throwing out some proof that the Red Skull was "openly promoting global capitalism". It should be easy enough to quote him saying so or pointing us to scenes where this is shown. In reality he's just a totalitarian tyrant with the same nihilistic and technocratic tendencies held by so many comic book villains.
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Apr 13, 2014 05:27
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's a counter-joke to the one in Iron Man, where Coulson reads out the organization's entire convoluted name and Pepper complains about how incomprehensibly bureaucratic it is. HYDRA wants control, not just of the government and the military, but of everything that it can manage. If the Zola algorithm is half as capable as claimed I fully expect them to purge the entire capitalist class, sieze control of the means of production and run the world economy with AI.
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Apr 16, 2014 09:45
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Feenix posted:I've had my fair share of rolled eyes reading the college film class circle jerks that movie threads devolve into (usually with SMG and someone else going back and forth while everyone else throws their cards on the table, folds and just leans back in their chair to rest their eyes...) but regardless, my more nebulous question here is: I don't agree with SMG's interpretation, but you're quite wrong in believing that subtext has to be intentional. Most works of art, especially film and literature have subtext and meaning that was not consciously intended by the author.
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Snak posted:I actually got really excited because I have that USB hub... Hydra agent spotted!
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