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Jack Endino had a good quote in the "Such Hawks, Such Hounds" documentary. I can't recall the exact wording, but he basically said that "Stoner Rock" is really just "Grunge," and both of those things are really just 70s heavy rock.
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:I dunno, I think J Mascis had always been too big of a dork to really be considered the proto-cobain. Paul Westerberg is probably a better candidate, at least vocally. Sebadoh as in Lou Barlow's band? Dino Jr. Is great and I think Mascis certainly is one of the pioneers of grunge in terms of fashion and persona (I think the comparison between Mascis and Kurt has more to do with them being disdainful of the media and apathetic with regards to, fame, and success than attitude. Kurt projects passion and Mascis varies between mild bemusement and complete withdrawal depending on who is interviewing). Living All Over is such a great loving album and undoubtedly influenced Kurt Cobain.That cover of Just Like Heaven is perfect. If Dino Jr isn't grunge it's only because Mascis is too talented a guitarist. There is definitely a more Hendrix/Clapton feel to his solos
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I'm gonna crosspost this here from the sludge/stoner/doom thread, because it's relevant https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/26674096/the-colossus-of-destiny-a-melvins-tale Kickstarter for a doc about the Melvins. Lots of cool rewards.
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Mar 12, 2015 03:25
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Frances Bean Cobain is producing an HBO doc about Kurt, and it looks like I'm gonna be reduced into a feelpuddle by the end of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IBWbpJdRMQ
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Fly McCool posted:Sebadoh as in Lou Barlow's band? I'm just a fan of the Latin American variety show and also a terrible speller. quote:Dino Jr. Is great and I think Mascis certainly is one of the pioneers of grunge in terms of fashion and persona (I think the comparison between Mascis and Kurt has more to do with them being disdainful of the media and apathetic with regards to, fame, and success than attitude. Kurt projects passion and Mascis varies between mild bemusement and complete withdrawal depending on who is interviewing). I think you're getting into a bit of an 'early 90s mainstream media' mindset with this assertion. I mean yeah, Kurt Cobain was influenced by Mascis' music but it's not like he actually modeled his behavior after J. They were both introverts thrust into the spotlight and they handled it in different ways. More broadly though, the 'slacker' ethos of grunge is too vague and broad to merit attribution to anyone in particular. And the fashion thing isn't really true unless purple adidas track jackets were considered 'grunge' in the early 90s. quote:Living All Over is such a great loving album and undoubtedly influenced Kurt Cobain.That cover of Just Like Heaven is perfect. No love for Peter Frampton? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as6pXqWYE4U
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Mar 12, 2015 04:13
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When this whole thing took off in 1988-1989 I was 21-22 years old. To me it was cool because there were all these local groups getting hype and except for Chris Cornell the dudes were not "poster boy" material. That was a break from the norm. The TAD documentary Busted Circuits and Ringing Ears is up on YouTube in full now and is awesome if you want to learn about the Seattle "grunge" era in the late 80s and early 90s. There are interviews with Krist Novoselic, Mark Arm, Bruce Pavitt and Jonathan Poneman, Kim Thayil... http://youtu.be/Hj1PvipY6bc
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Sebadoh Gigante posted:I think you're getting into a bit of an 'early 90s mainstream media' mindset with this assertion. I mean yeah, Kurt Cobain was influenced by Mascis' music but it's not like he actually modeled his behavior after J. They were both introverts thrust into the spotlight and they handled it in different ways. More broadly though, the 'slacker' ethos of grunge is too vague and broad to merit attribution to anyone in particular. And the fashion thing isn't really true unless purple adidas track jackets were considered 'grunge' in the early 90s. Yeah I think we are agreeing with each other. I was trying to say that I think the comparisons come from the fact that both are perceived as "subversives" but other than that, there really isn't much of one other than the conscientious decision not to be rock stars/go the glam route. I was thinking Clapton and Hendrix more in terms of distortion, but Frampton is an apt comparison, too. Nice track. Here's my favorite version of Just Like Heaven off the same album (KEXP approved): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBsfuN7kefE
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