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Apr 28, 2024 16:17
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- Ersatz
- Sep 17, 2005
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I mean, I would say projecting too, but the reaction doesn't really fit that...?
I'm not weighing in on whether Shbobdb is projecting, just pointing out that denial would actually be consistent with projection.
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May 21, 2014 00:20
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- Ersatz
- Sep 17, 2005
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That's... actually kind of fallacious, though, since it means that if you accuse someone of projecting then whatever response they give you is further evidence that they're projecting.
The trouble as I see it is that (in theory) you're dealing with an unconscious process that can't be directly observed, so it's impossible to say with certainty whether projection is occurring in any given case. It's just more or less reasonable to believe that it is happening depending on observable facts. But I have no doubt that projection as a means for denial does occur.
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May 21, 2014 01:03
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- Ersatz
- Sep 17, 2005
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Projection-as-denial only really works if there is social pressure. What kind of social pressure exists on an anonymous internet forum? I saw plenty of projection-as-denial in Middle School when my gay friends were actively insisting that everyone else was a cum-guzzling human being while they loved them some girls with their breasts and them titties. But that theater only makes sense within the context of them trying to convince everyone else that they are super not-gay. Anonymity removes that impetus.
Edit: also, bear in mind that the superego is dumb; its injunctions often don't stand up to rational scrutiny. There are good reasons for feeling badly about hitting another person. Not so much for feeling badly about thinking about hitting another person. Even less for (unconsciously) believing that it is Wrong to have a foot fetish.
Ersatz fucked around with this message at 14:20 on May 21, 2014
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May 21, 2014 13:18
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- Ersatz
- Sep 17, 2005
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While there are more egregious examples, those were the kinds of things we found funny. You've got a sex scene, right? Naked chick, walking along. The only bright aspect in a dark screen (light/dark in the movie is a big theme). This pans slowly along her naked body until feet. And then nothing but feet, feet, feet. It spends much more time on her feet than it does on her breasts. Walking away. SMASHCUT! Dude with a giant erection.
Sure, it is "just filmed that way". But this is a sex scene. An aborted, emotionally stunted sex scene, but a sex scene nonetheless. Think about the other options he could have used. Jesus walking on water is the only other metaphor I can come up with, as opposed to the more explicit "HOLY poo poo I LOVE FEET!" I we are going to go with the Jesus angle, I can only think of Kahlil Gibran's fascination with "The whole Earth is my home but I have nowhere to rest my head" which could work with the alien stuff . . . but I don't see it.
It's easy to say "Work X" is about Jesus because the Christian tradition has such a huge influence on Western (and now World) culture. You want to Jesuit it up, sure, you've got an alien trying to give love (of a physical variety) that seemingly can't, is redeemed (by the rejects of society), and then sacrificed in fire, like how the world ends (and aren't we all, like, a world man? Contrasting with the aqueous deaths "a la petite mort" we saw earlier in the film).
Bing-bang-boom. Feet aren't sexy, all those foot-shots are just to establish that she is Space Jesus come to love and forgive us all. Nevermind all the shots associating feet with sexual organs. We'll push those to the side. They represent artifice(?) on the director's behalf. Because if I'm shooting a sex scene with boobs and pussy and mouths and poo poo, what it needs is the occasional palate cleanser of feet. And we all know that we end dinner on a light palate cleanser, and not the desert we've been craving all meal.
As a lover of food (and not of film) I may be reifying certain factors. But when you have a tasting menu, the chef is clearly in love with something and trying to tell you that. When that love in cooking is non-commercial or in film otherwise forbidden, workarounds are found.
I may well be wrong, but rewatch the movie and think "feet". The boob/feet/eye-as-anus (expanding anus also means "willing" rape/she was asking for it!*)/feet/crotch shots and their variations make a lot more sense.
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I'll admit that interpretation works. But it is incongruent with the film that I saw. I'll give you "Is an Alien" and "Walks on water" as totally sufficient for a Christ metaphor. But what is Christ-like about the alien? Where is the metaphor or simile or allusion? Or is a cigar just a cigar and it is just a poorly-executed movie about an alien who murders people?
*If the movie is about rape's aftermath, which I think it is, the eyes' normal expansion and contraction of arousal contrasts with the anal/involuntary message of the film with the eyes' contraction, expansion and then aggressive contraction. But during sex aggressive contraction is tight-tight-tight and AWESOME!
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May 21, 2014 14:11
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