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Old quarterbacks own. Some of the best seasons of football I've seen are by ripe old men over the age of 35.ROSS MY SALAD posted:gently caress Rich Gannon Oh please, we had him for about four good years before 2003/2004 turned his neck into rubber and retirement.
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"His personality makes him sexy"
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Apr 2, 2014 08:13
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No Safe Word posted:"His personality makes him sexy" If you don't know the story behind that, the People Magazine reporter was told to interview a QB for the Chiefs. They were supposed to get Rich Gannon. Somehow, they got Elvis Grbac.
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Apr 2, 2014 09:53
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shiksa posted:Rich Gannon was drafted as a RB and was a punter his freshman year of college. He was drafted as a safety you plebe. He played running back in college, but he was being converted.
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Apr 2, 2014 11:36
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Grozz Nuy posted:Counterpoint: Steve Young rules, gently caress Brett Favre
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Apr 2, 2014 14:04
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Atticus Finch posted:This guy gets it. Look how terribly wrong you are.
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Apr 2, 2014 14:15
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AggressivelyStupid posted:Look how terribly wrong you are. I don't know that I've ever seen such an apt username before.
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Apr 2, 2014 14:20
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Top QBs of all time: Brett Favre Dan Marino Dan Fouts Len Dawson Johnny Unitas Troy Aikman Steve Young Joe Montana David Carr Otto Graham Fran Tarkenton Bob Griese Jim Kelly John Elway Peyton Manning Tom Brady Warren Moon Roger Staubach Terry Bradshaw Kurt Warner Bart Starr Now of that list I'd have to put Peyton Manning at #1. How he's playing now with that neck injury is astounding. But, I believe Dan Marino is the best QB of all time in terms of sheer talent. The guy almost never had a down year, played in a variety of different offensive schemes, played on a variety good and bad teams, and could make every conceivable throw asked of him. He gets blasted for his INT rates, just like Favre, but the game was a bit different in his era. If Marino won 2 or 3 Super Bowls no one would question his GOAT status.
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Apr 2, 2014 14:49
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FizFashizzle posted:If you don't know the story behind that, the People Magazine reporter was told to interview a QB for the Chiefs. They were supposed to get Rich Gannon. Somehow, they got Elvis Grbac. They probably saw both and were like "eh whatever" 
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Apr 2, 2014 15:13
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Volkerball posted:Gannon's best season was better than Favre's best season at least. It really wasn't.
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Apr 2, 2014 16:07
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MourningView posted:It really wasn't. Tell him about the rings, MV.
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Apr 2, 2014 16:36
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Chichevache posted:Tell him about the rings, MV. What are you even talking about, you worthless shitposter? Favre in 95 was better than Gannon was in any season of his career, including the MVP one. Favre also had a sustained stretch in the 90s where he was the best QB in the league (or second to Young, who, again I think was the best QB ever at his peak), and then a long long loooooong stretch where he was eratic but still very good. MourningView fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Apr 2, 2014 16:49
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MourningView posted:(or second to Young, who, again I think was the best QB ever at his peak) You're all right, MV.
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Apr 2, 2014 17:09
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I've never heard anyone make that argument for Young. What is your reasoning, MV? Just overall skill set or what?
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Apr 2, 2014 17:14
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Brett Favre never had his head coach throw the biggest game of his career though.
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Apr 2, 2014 17:17
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Brett Favre threw away plenty of games
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Apr 2, 2014 17:21
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Captain Tolerable posted:The Packers defense threw away a lot of games Fixed. And I agree with MV on this (duh). The fact that Favre had an amazing season in 2009 coming off a serious throwing arm injury in his late 30's is mindblowing. He had some erratic years in the 2000's, but a lot of that was due to playing on teams lacking in talent.
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Apr 2, 2014 17:25
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Also the gunslinging was perfectly acceptable until very recently. I'd say around 2006 is when teams wanted their QB to stop taking risks and start targeting efficient plays. I think Marino is one of the best QBs of all time and his INT rates look just as bad as Favre's. People just took more risks back then.
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Apr 2, 2014 17:31
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Ehud posted:I've never heard anyone make that argument for Young. What is your reasoning, MV? Just overall skill set or what? Some of it is that (it's sometimes forgotten what a threat he was as a runner now), but I just think that relative to his peers at his peak he was better than anyone else has ever been. Like if you look at his numbers they look like something that wouldn't be out of place today and it was during a period where it was way harder to put up big passing efficency numbers.
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Apr 2, 2014 17:40
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Doltos posted:Also the gunslinging was perfectly acceptable until very recently. I'd say around 2006 is when teams wanted their QB to stop taking risks and start targeting efficient plays. It's fair to knock Favre for picks. He had made a ton of risky throws and took chances even by the standards of the time. But so many of the late game turnovers later in his career that people remember are because the Packers defense couldn't get a stop ever or he was throwing to Donald Driver and a bunch of scrubs or Naufahu Tahi is an idiot who got the team a dumb penalty on third down in the NFCCG. Basically Favre ruled for nearly 20 years, which is amazing considering the abuse he took and the time he played.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:05
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Chichevache posted:Tell him about the rings, MV. Rings would put Trent Dilfer over Dan Fouts, and that would be criminal. I.e. Rings ain't poo poo.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:20
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The idea that the only way you could possibly argue for Brett loving Favre over Rich Gannon is rings has got to be one of the 10 or so dumbest things Ciche has ever posted, which is truly illustrious company.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:21
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LockHeart posted:Rings would put Trent Dilfer over Dan Fouts, and that would be criminal. That was his point (delivered snarkily) -- he didn't agree with MV that Favre was better, and took a jab at him suggesting that the only reason MV thought Favre was better than Gannon was because of Favre's ring. That said, I thought it was very clear that Chichevache was being, as he often is, facetious. superaielman posted:It's fair to knock Favre for picks. He had made a ton of risky throws and took chances even by the standards of the time. But so many of the late game turnovers later in his career that people remember are because the Packers defense couldn't get a stop ever or he was throwing to Donald Driver and a bunch of scrubs or Naufahu Tahi is an idiot who got the team a dumb penalty on third down in the NFCCG. On the other hand, http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200201200ram.htm God that game still stings.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:25
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Brannock posted:That was his point (delivered snarkily) -- he didn't agree with MV that Favre was better, and took a jab at him suggesting that the only reason MV thought Favre was better than Gannon was because of Favre's ring. I am aware that he was trying to make a joke. It is, like most of his jokes, a stupid and nonsensical one in this context.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:30
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MourningView posted:The idea that the only way you could possibly argue for Brett loving Favre over Rich Gannon is rings has got to be one of the 10 or so dumbest things Ciche has ever posted, which is truly illustrious company. I was actually going for a Lenny from Of Mice and Men reference in regards to Volker's, hopefully joking, post. However, I was posting from my phone which is a recipe for laziness and thus disaster. I should have taken the time to quote a few sentences from the book in order to set it up better and make it obvious what I was trying to do. Instead I quoted a line without context which, in retrospect, is impossible to peg. I'm lazy.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:32
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Chichevache posted:I was actually going for a Lenny from Of Mice and Men reference in regards to Volker's, hopefully joking, post. I don't think he was joking. You could argue that for one year Gannon was up there with just about anyone, I just don't happen to agree with it.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:34
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I'd take Gannon over Favre in a day-drinking contest
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Apr 2, 2014 18:38
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Doltos posted:I'd take Gannon over Favre in a day-drinking contest I dunno. Farve might not have the reputation. But just looking at him I see someone who looks like they could drink with the best of them.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:40
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Brannock posted:That was his point (delivered snarkily) -- he didn't agree with MV that Favre was better, and took a jab at him suggesting that the only reason MV thought Favre was better than Gannon was because of Favre's ring. That said, I thought it was very clear that Chichevache was being, as he often is, facetious. Favre had a bad game, but the defense poo poo the bed just as much as Favre did there. The Packers defense from the early 00s till McCarthy got there was wretched.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:42
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Gannon's best year was also characterized by a lot of short passes to Tim Brown and Jerry Rice who picked up a lot of YAC, iirc. And even then he didn't really look as impressive as Favre did during his three MVP seasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJlNhQrXNSA&t=60s superaielman posted:Favre had a bad game, but the defense poo poo the bed just as much as Favre did there. The Packers defense from the early 00s till McCarthy got there was wretched. Without the interception returns (which the defense isn't responsible for) the game is 17-24 and still very within winnability. Warner threw for 216 yards and the Rams ran for 91, which was quite a bit less than they'd put up all season. The Packers also fumbled twice on top of getting picked six times. I'm still a little disappointed that Mike McKenzie - Al Harris - Darren Sharper never really worked out long term, that was a big ballhawk secondary.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:47
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Dexo posted:I dunno. Farve might not have the reputation. But just looking at him I see someone who looks like they could drink with the best of them. Not in the salty way that Gannon or Kerry Collins can though. Favre seems like a guy that has to chug a bottle of pain killers and sailor jerry's in order to fall asleep every night. Gannon seems like a guy who drives to the liquor store to buy a 30-rack while he's drinking a 30-rack.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:47
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Chiche may be a bad poster (I don't think he is anymore but I am a dumb poo poo to begin with) but at least he isn't angry all the time.
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Apr 2, 2014 18:51
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I am angry during football season.
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Apr 2, 2014 19:15
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Cold Stone has offered to cater Stafford's wedding. http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/02/cold-stone-matthew-stafford-wedding-cake-dessert-free/
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Apr 2, 2014 19:23
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I get quite angry when my team loses 14 in a row.Cruel and Unusual posted:Cold Stone has offered to cater Stafford's wedding. I must be dyslexic because I read that as Stone Cold and dreamt that he was offering everyone at his wedding cans of whoop rear end to eat. 
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Apr 2, 2014 19:25
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Kirios posted:I must be dyslexic because I read that as Stone Cold and dreamt that he was offering everyone at his wedding cans of whoop rear end to eat. same
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Apr 2, 2014 19:28
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Whenever someone mentions football around me at any time I become a frothing, raging maniac
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Apr 2, 2014 19:50
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I was thinking about killing myself IRL after the Broncos lost the Super Bowl. I think Peyton wouldn't choke as much if he would be more like Tim Tebow and not read the Qur'an.
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Apr 2, 2014 19:54
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On the flip side I had a fever during the 2007 super bowl and after the Giants won it I ran around my house screaming and didn't even feel sick anymore.
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Doltos posted:same Third. Lots of bud light at that wedding
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