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 Normally, this would be the Australian Politics thread. However, that thread is full. Sorry guys. Instead, how about a lovely vacation to Manus Island while we determine whether you're a genuine poster?  Manus Island is a lovely place north of Papua New Guinea, the largest island of the Admiralty Islands. It contains lovely stretches of beach, beautiful tropical rainforests, and tuberculosis.  Fun for all the family! Australia sends its economic refugees here to kick back, relax and have fun while we wait a few years to see if they'll go back home.  Economic refugees broke these toilets during the latest wild party, and are expected to fix them themselves any day now. The Manus Island multiple-summer-camp facility was built in 2001 as part of the Pacific Solution, implemented by then Australian Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock. It was dismantled in 2008 by the Rudd Labor Government, and described by then Immigration Minister and known communist Chris Evans as "a cynical, costly and ultimately unsuccessful exercise". The Labor Government came to their senses and resurrected it in 2012, and in 2013, declared that "asylum seekers who come here by boat without a visa will never be settled in Australia".  Unaccompanied children on the island are technically owned by Immigration Minister Scott Morrison. Recently Manus Island got into a bit of trouble when a wild party started by the economic refugees got out of control and some of the locals gatecrashed it. A man named Reza Barati was murdered, probably by migrants. Don't worry, though: local security staff are handling it, and there's no need to send any policemen or judicial inquiries into human rights or anything.  Hoffman knives are used to entertain children as part of an ancient, traditional game where economic refugees try to hang themselves and you cut them down. Welcome to Manus Island and enjoy your stay! At least until we move you to Cambodia.
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Whatever you do, don't mention you are a lawyer or else you'll be expelled from the thread.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:24
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Siding with this thread because of more 
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Apr 2, 2014 02:27
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I'm an economic refugee. Please just siphon the money straight from the pensioners' wallets into my vault.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:32
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I'll post in this thread as soon as this Australian destroyer finishes hauling my sinking refugee ship back into international waters. I've got a half-full water barrel that I'm pretty sure is buoyant, so I might be able to make it if the sharks aren't hungry.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:33
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Shouldn't that cartoon booklet by the Australian government be in the OP?
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Apr 2, 2014 02:40
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Not looking at Milky's thread because this one isn't a Milky post.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:47
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This thread should only be for non-whites. Anglos get to post in the other thread.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:51
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Do we get to come in and laugh at this thread's posters though???
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Apr 2, 2014 02:53
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The only way this will work is if this actually is a thread about Manus and refugees. Despite this one being better than Milky's, his was first.
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Apr 2, 2014 02:54
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XyloJW posted:Despite this one being better than Milky's, his was first. This was not a serious contender for April anyway but I'll try to get May 
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Apr 2, 2014 03:01
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Ettin posted:This was not a serious contender for April Yeah we can see that
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Apr 2, 2014 03:09
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Still waiting on muyb's thread.
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Apr 2, 2014 03:11
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I could talk about the refugees I meet at the community centre 
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Apr 2, 2014 03:27
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Captain Pissweak posted:Still waiting on muyb's thread. Gonna post an april fools OP on May 1st #yolo #rekt
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Apr 2, 2014 03:50
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I'm a reverse refugee.
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Apr 2, 2014 04:28
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Wow! Sounds great, where do I sign up?
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Apr 2, 2014 04:34
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STOP THE BOATS If I illegally emigrate to Australia will I still get sent here if I'm white?
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Apr 2, 2014 04:44
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McDowell posted:STOP Hahahahahahaha no
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Apr 2, 2014 04:53
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McDowell posted:STOP When you do the language test they will give you one in English not Swahili, you'll be fine.
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Apr 2, 2014 05:18
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If you are white, you will likely be welcomed to Australia, given water, coffee and a ride to a surprisingly luxurious hotel
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Apr 2, 2014 05:30
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Haters Objector posted:If you are white, you will likely be welcomed to Australia, given water, coffee and a ride to a surprisingly luxurious hotel Jesus Christ.
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Apr 2, 2014 06:34
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Haters Objector posted:If you are white, you will likely be welcomed to Australia, given water, coffee and a ride to a surprisingly luxurious hotel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Australia_policy Some things don't change 
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Apr 2, 2014 08:58
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HookShot posted:I'm a reverse refugee. White flightin' from reverse racism
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Apr 2, 2014 09:33
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Legally speaking in Australia's system are refugees just property now? Like 1 - 100 people die there's not going to be a death in custody paperwork chain filled out? Does duty of care apply any more to the navy, serco, the camps in png? No one has to worry about deprivation of liberty. If a lifeboat sinks is that manslaughter, negiligence, murder legally. Or a guard open fires, I'm guessing there's no consequences as a subcontractor. All of the above offshore. I'm guessing the law applies defacto and dejure on Australian soil.
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Apr 2, 2014 11:14
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BCR posted:Legally speaking in Australia's system are refugees just property now? Well no, legally they are still people, and in fact the courts seem as unimpressed by the govts antics as most of the left are. Its just its not entirely clear whos got juristiction of what out there.
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Apr 2, 2014 13:04
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You lost one eh? Well alright, fill out an S3.a and we'll recquisition you one off the next shipment. Be warned though, might be waiting a while. Supplies dried up a bit lately due to the risk of piracy.
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Apr 2, 2014 13:25
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BCR posted:Legally speaking in Australia's system are refugees just property now? You could conceivably sue Scott Morrison for negligence on behalf of children in detention under the Federal Torts Claims Act, but apart from that I don't know. It's civil, though, not criminal. In civil law you breach a tort of negligence by having a duty of care, a standard of duty of care, harm coming to someone as a result of a breach of your duty of care, and a reasonable expectation of harm as a consequence of your action or inaction. Fruity Gordo fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Apr 2, 2014 |
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Apr 2, 2014 13:33
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Fruity Gordo posted:You could conceivably sue Scott Morrison on behalf of children in detention under the Federal Torts Claims Act, but apart from that I don't know. AusPol project.
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Apr 2, 2014 13:34
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Nope, wait, that's an American law I didn't read properly. I thought we had a law against government immunity, hang on.
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Apr 2, 2014 13:38
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quote:The law in Australia is that the Commonwealth Government owes a non-delegable duty to detainees in immigration detention and the Commonwealth can be held liable "for the negligence of others who are engaged to perform the task of care for a third party - no matter whether the person engaged to provide the care is a servant or an independent contractor," as the High Court stated in a landmark 2003 decision called NSW v Lepore. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-25/morrison-and-barns-manus-negligence-may-have-financial-costs/5341926
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Apr 2, 2014 13:46
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Don't the government use subcontractors in detention centres because of this? The extra level of abstraction may protect them from liability.
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Apr 2, 2014 14:26
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According to NSW v Lepore the government or a minister can't delegate duty of care to a subcontractor. In Morrison's case he's the legal guardian of children in detention as the minister, his duty of care can't be delegated.
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Apr 2, 2014 15:32
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Reminder that I'm not a lawyer or in any way a legal mind, I just know lots about negligence because I have to for work so I can snitch on my coworkers for being abusive scumbags.
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Apr 2, 2014 15:34
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Gough Suppressant posted:Don't the government use subcontractors in detention centres because of this? The extra level of abstraction may protect them from liability. I thought they moved it offshore to put their actions beyond the reach of the courts.
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KennyTheFish posted:I thought they moved it offshore to put their actions beyond the reach of the courts. Also the acts of a sub-contractor can't have a liability attached to the primary contractor beyond the stipulations of the sub-contract. This is under tort law. If there is an overarching law (as may be the case here) then tort law provisions would only apply if there was precedence. In the case of the delegation of duty of care by the minister, the acts being committed outside of the reach of the statute may protect them (The minister). A whole bunch of this stuff will need to be tested in the courts and if you want to help then the refugee action coalition are the people to talk to and send money too.
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Apr 3, 2014 00:26
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This thread should have been the thread
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Apr 14, 2014 10:41
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Presented without commentary
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Apr 14, 2014 10:57
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Captain Pissweak posted:AusPol project. It was actually an option being studied very closely by lawyers back during the Howard era regarding Phillip "oval office" Ruddock.
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Today at the community centre I met Obaidullah and Shiemi, Farsi Afghans from Kabul. They lived through the Soviets, Mujahideen, and Taliban, with Shiemi and their children getting to Australia in 1999, and Obaidullah staying in Kabul until 2009. They didn't arrive as refugees, exactly, Shiemi and children were paid for by some generous Australian individual. It's rather striking how many different ways there are (or were) to get from there to here, even in the case of Taliban Afghanistan.
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