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Negative Entropy posted:Demographic change as Millennials and minorities grab a larger share of the electorate, which could shift the Overton window. But not before this decade closes with possibly majority GOP in both houses and another Clinton, like we all time warped to 1994. I think there were jobs in the 1994. I might be for this. Rap was still good, too.
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I hear too much focus on demographic shifts as well when, really, the shift could happen much more visibly now if the impetus and outreach were active and not just waiting for that mystical time to come. I also hear far too often that "both parties are becoming more extreme/polarized" from people with a straight face when I can't imagine in my most hopeful of dreams that being the case for Democrats at all, and I know this is just preaching to the converted here. Wanting to cut food stamps, just less than Republicans, is the most obvious instance. There's no expansion of abortion access or even a remotely comparable counter current to the death by a thousand cuts being implemented by republican legislatures across the country. Gay marriage, the one seeming social victory in sight, had a tepid as gently caress executive endorsement and really only after the tide was already moving in its favor in public opinion/judicially and it was only because of Biden's outspokenness that necessitated Obama to speak up in turn. Not wanting the economy to explode and the government to shut down from not raising the debt ceiling is basically communism, clearly. Democrats have a monopoly on the center and if that's what people are considering the extreme left at this point I am really, really not drinking enough.
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Apr 3, 2014 07:36
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Rand alPaul posted:I think there were jobs in the 1994. I might be for this. Rap was still good, too. Y'all are officially old people.
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Apr 3, 2014 07:37
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I don't have a particular article, but I recommend everybody read up about Utah's attempt to re-ban gay marriage. It's pretty hilarious. First it was forgetting to file a request for a stay, then it was three weeks of running about trying to figure out how to file anything (as the old AG resigned due to a corruption scandal), and now it's asking the courts if Utah can re-submit their legal argument because it's got almost a hundred spelling and grammar errors.
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Apr 3, 2014 07:49
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Everything was better back in the day! Young people were more involved and the music was good and had deep messages for society and everyone had better haircuts! The jobs thing is true, though.
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Apr 3, 2014 08:29
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Everything was better back in the day! Young people were more involved and the music was good and had deep messages for society and everyone had better haircuts! The haircuts were stupid, but music was marginally better. No deep messages. There were a couple years where people were genuinely big on recycling, that was cool. Then Bush came along and suddenly people did poo poo like dumping antifreeze into the storm drain BECAUSE ITS A FREE COUNTRY THAT'S WHY.
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Apr 3, 2014 12:57
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FAUXTON posted:The haircuts were stupid, but music was marginally better. No deep messages. Please tell me you're joking.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:12
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SedanChair posted:Please tell me you're joking. I dunno man, I'll take the grunge, rap and nu metal of the 90's over My Morning Jacket and the like any day.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:17
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SedanChair posted:Please tell me you're joking. Sorry, Hybrid Theory was the start of a bad genre.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:33
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Talmonis posted:I dunno man, I'll take the grunge, rap and nu metal of the 90's over My Morning Jacket and the like any day. ....Who? Is this a troll or honest to god did you just reference MMJ as popular and relevant new music in 2014. Man those Franz Ferdinand boys, they are really up and coming too.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:36
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I think he's comparing to the Bush years, where they would be relevant. Contemporary pop music is pretty drat good actually.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:43
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Fried Chicken posted:Globally as well. Are you guys serious with this poo poo? Please name a time outside of the 90's (and I hope you weren't gay) that were better then the here and now.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:47
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I only listen to gregorian monk chants.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:48
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Jarmak posted:Are you guys serious with this poo poo? I think you misread that
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Apr 3, 2014 14:49
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Rand alPaul posted:I think there were jobs in the 1994. I might be for this. Rap was still good, too. Umm... MF Doom and Killer Mike weren't on the scene. Dumile's brother was killed the year before, but Operation: Doomsday was still 5 years out. You might want to check yourself before you wreck yourself.
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Apr 3, 2014 14:57
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:Probably just in the Democratic Primary but hey, maybe he'll force Clinton to pretend to be slightly less neoliberal for a month or two! I live in California so I won't even get to do that since their primary is so late (even if I wanted to register as a Democrat) 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:11
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Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum.  http://www.news-record.com/news/article_6dcd6144-babb-11e3-9826-0017a43b2370.html
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Apr 3, 2014 15:14
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yaleforks posted:Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum. Can we at least note that it looks strongly that even in North Carolina, there are kids who understand that the "tradition marriage" argument and the "Gay marriage leads to Bestiality" slippery slope argument is all bullshit? the fact that these candidates were drilled on these alone is a bit promising to me. EDIT: Oh crap, they really said that we shouldn't punish businesses for loving things up (In response to Duke Energy dumping that toxic ash in the river systems) 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:20
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yaleforks posted:Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum. Students asked good questions, more proof of liberal indoctrination at our schools! quote:Asked what actions needed to be taken regarding the latest global climate change report recently released by the United Nations, former insurance agent Mike Causey cautioned that some of the articles written about climate change were written by “biased” people to make a political point. 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:20
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yaleforks posted:Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum. This should be a standard feature of any campaign. Get smart middle schoolers to ask the questions, and let them follow up. Old enough to know when they're being lied to, young enough to not care about holding their tongue.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:21
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yaleforks posted:Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum. Outside of the News Record having an awful website, this article sums up NC pretty loving well. "Mr. Candidate, we just had a devastating coal ash spill that is basically turning water sources into toxic wastelands. What do you think we should do? " Accidents happen. Pull back the reins of the EPA who would fine Duke Energy. 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:21
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yaleforks posted:Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum. Article posted:Torres reiterated her support for gay marriage to Berger after the forum, and later said she was disturbed by his response. Well poo poo, someone had to be.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:25
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Oh, I forgot one thing that tickles me a bit: Middle schoolers, who are abhorrent human beings, ask GOP candidates, who are abhorrent human beings, about real issues. The middle schoolers have an excuse such as hormones and still developing, but they come off looking so much better and thoughtful than the GOP candidates. I guess this means that education is going to get another cut because the previous cuts still haven't killed critical thinking.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:30
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Spiffster posted:EDIT: Oh crap, they really said that we shouldn't punish businesses for loving things up (In response to Duke Energy dumping that toxic ash in the river systems) To be fair that is the state GOP's official position on the matter.
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Apr 3, 2014 15:34
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The invisible hand of the free market will just correct the situation when consumers use coal from a company that didn't spill toxic waste into the local water supply jeez isn't that enough? Good on those kids though. They should be the proctors for every debate instead of the useless wastes of skin we get from "real" journalists.
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Phone posted:Oh, I forgot one thing that tickles me a bit: Middle schoolers, who are abhorrent human beings, ask GOP candidates, who are abhorrent human beings, about real issues. The middle schoolers have an excuse such as hormones and still developing, but they come off looking so much better and thoughtful than the GOP candidates. They were Montessori kids though. The candidates would probably have fared better in gen pop. Well, maybe not in Greensboro proper. 
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Apr 3, 2014 15:37
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US Politics - Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys are nothing compared to Nerdcore.
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comes along bort posted:They were Montessori kids though. The candidates would probably have fared better in gen pop. Well, maybe not in Greensboro proper. Yeah I'm sure Glenn Beck is going to expose Montessori now. Sharing! Kindness! It's this kind of indoctrination that paves the way to PROGRESSIVISM 
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FAUXTON posted:US Politics - Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys are nothing compared to Nerdcore. We're all American Idiots.
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Phone posted:Outside of the News Record having an awful website, this article sums up NC pretty loving well. Because you see, they destroyed the water sources because they were sad about the possibility of being fined for destroying water sources. So when they destroy a water source, lower regulations, and they will of course never do such a thing again. That is how the free market works.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:11
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Fried Chicken posted:Wall Street: The DoJ has announced an investigation into the practices of High Frequency Trading. Michael Lewis has a new book out on this topic. The news coverage about HFT as a result of these two things has been met with eye rolling and stating it is old news by Wall Street, and shock by Main street. Which is pretty much why it is a problem. I saw an article about this on Slate yesterday where, provided I'm reading it right, the guy says "This is a serious problem, but WELP! We can't have the regulators go from being ineffective to being too harsh as a knee-jerk reaction!" Article is located: here. Part of the Article posted:The debate about whether these practices are benign or harmful to markets is entirely necessary. Personally, I think that the advantages enjoyed by some high-frequency traders are incompatible with fair and open markets and should be curtailed substantially—perhaps entirely. I just can't help but feel that this is a part of a problem right there. It's not that these groups are being secretive about what they are doing. It's that there's, by intent or by chance, effective suppression of any of this stuff coming out until it's far too late. The core of the problem here, that of a crippled and ineffectual regulatory system, still won't be addressed. Save of course for the usual nutjobs screaming that they should be removed.
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Warchicken posted:Because you see, they destroyed the water sources because they were sad about the possibility of being fined for destroying water sources. So when they destroy a water source, lower regulations, and they will of course never do such a thing again. That is how the free market works. Or you take the SC approach and ban lawsuits which might hold the company accountable because that would make them sad. quote:One way to require a cleanup is through a citizens lawsuit, a mechanism used to enforce environmental laws when state or federal agencies do not. South Carolina’s other major electric utilities, SCE&G and Santee Cooper, agreed to dig out coal ash ponds after settling citizens’ lawsuits filed by environmental groups.
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yaleforks posted:Greensboro Montessori students quiz GOP candidates at forum. I think it's really cool that in America, literally children ask tougher and more relevant questions than the entire professional newsmedia.
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Apr 3, 2014 16:29
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pig slut lisa posted:I hadn't gotten to weigh in on foreskin chat yet I guess you missed the cut off. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Apr 3, 2014 |
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zoux posted:I think it's really cool that in America, literally children ask tougher and more relevant questions than the entire professional newsmedia. I went to Montessori for ten years (pre-k through 8th grade) and I'm about a oval office-hair from being an actual communist. IS OBAMA INDOCTRINATING OUR YOUTH (in 1983)??? I'm just asking questions!
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TheKennedys posted:I went to Montessori for ten years (pre-k through 8th grade) and I'm about a oval office-hair from being an actual communist. IS OBAMA INDOCTRINATING OUR YOUTH (in 1983)??? I'm just asking questions! I went to an evangelical as gently caress private school that sent me to a 2 week camp course on "why evolution is wrong" but I ended up in the same place as you pretty much politically. So it can happen either way.
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quote:Setting aside the actual network of international finance means it would go straight to Russia and that we could do better things with that here in the US (bail out Detroit?), I for one question the wisdom of funding and arming Muslim militants in response to Russian border expansion. It does not have the greatest track record in the world. What are you talking about? The Soviet Union collapsed (  ), a great Aaron Sorkin movie, and all we had to do was leave swathes of the Middle East at the mercy of Al-Qaeda and the Taliban and let some skyscrapers get leveled  . I guess you could count those two wars as consequences, but I don't think anyone really knows why we did those.
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Gravel Gravy posted:We're all American Idiots. I miss the days when Green Day made good music. That would be before 96 for you youngins.  Also, the first half of the 90's had Deathrow records in it's heyday which musically was loving magic on the level that the million dollar quartet recordings were in the 50's.
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Any Republican who doubts climate change should only look at the rising costs of flood insurance, especially in coastal regions. That's the "free market" or whatever speaking loud and clear. You'd think they'd hear it.
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re: Demographic shift chat from earlier on page 2 I see a lot of despair over the lack of action from the left and these millenials who are trending so much more in that direction, but isn't the reality that the rightward bent of politics over the course of our development has left us perpetually unmotivated to enact any change? Not to engage in generating a victim complex here, but all the awful regressive policies you hear about in this thread (largely enacted by the Republican party) are beating down entire generations of children, leaving them less and less educated and more and more in debt. And that's not even getting into the apparent futility of trying to legislate change; it's clearly not working if you watch congress try to do anything constructive. How do you really motivate people who seem so thoroughly beaten in general? Mind you, I don't have any data to support this notion, but when you're crushed by mountains of unforgivable debt you mounted in response to the commandment from your preceding generations to get an education and find a job to pay off the mountains of debt you undoubtedly build when getting said education, it's pretty hard to do more than muster a little  about "them politicians!" and go back to worrying about how you're going to pay the next bill and find the next meal. Multiply this by a few million, and well, you're all paying more attention than most...
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