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This is a CK2 groups Let's Play, focusing on interaction with multiple players. In order to participate you will need to have CK2 with the expansions The Old Gods due to our playing of a Jewish state. If you are unfamiliar with the world of Crusader Kings II, I recommend you read this thread, as it is designed for players that are new to the game. Otherwise, welcome to what is sure to be a fun, if crazy group gaming experience. This is a succession LP, this means that one person will play for a time, the life of a ruler, and then upload the save file for the next person to play and so on. Only there is a catch. In this game each ruler is allowed to make a LAW that is added to the list of laws in the second post. Each Law is sacrosanct unless an earlier law contradicts it in some way. Players are encouraged to play their character based on the traits that they have, meaning if you've got zealous, you'll be a lot more likely to start holy wars than if you're slothful. If you're interested in playing then make a post that says ##Add me to the list and you'll be placed at the end of the list of current pool of players. When a monarch dies the next player on the list has 2 days to post that they've taken the save, otherwise it goes to the next player on the list who has 2 days, etc. When someone finishes their playthrough, unless they specify otherwise they'll be added to the end of the list. If someone comes in late, I'll add them to the list in front of all of the people that have already gotten a chance to play. If you miss your turn you'll simply be removed from the list until you post that you're back. In order to make things fun, I'm going to ask for recommendations for a few starting Laws that we will all have to abide by, so that those of us in the beginning have a chance to play around with limitations just like the rest of you. We will be playing the state of Khazar, the only independent Jewish state at the Old Gods starts, and I hope to god that I don't end up ruining the playthrough by losing before the first death.
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Current Laws
Current Waiting List
Current Ruler
Previous Rulers Khan Manasseh II the Just of Khazaria - Amnistar : 1 January, 867 - 29 January, 897 Khan Manasseh III the Dragon of Khazaria - AJ_Impy : 29 January, 897 - 3 November, 942
Khan Yerneslu I the Careless of Khazaria - CapnAndy : 3 November 942 - 27 July 966
Khan Tabghaç I the Wise of Khazaria - ulmont : 27 July 966 - 23 January 985 Khagan Mänär I the Pious of Zion - Funky Valentine : 23 January 985 - 28 September 996
Khagan Mënümarót I the Great of Zion - Blackunknown/Beefhart : 28 September 996 - 16 December 1048
Khagan Mänär II the Wise of Zion - MagusofStars / Technowolf : 16 December 1048 - 1 August 1072
Khagan Sartäç I the Mad of Zion - Jenner : 1 August 1072 - 18 March 1094 Basileus Aryeh I the Great of Israel - Geokinesis : 18 March 1094 - 13 September 1148
Basileus Meletios I the Fat of Israel - Supeerme : 13 September 1148 - 8 December 1175
Basileus Pelagios I the Pious of Israel - Readingaccount : 8 December 1175 - 19 April 1204 [list][*]Part 1 [*]Part 2 [*]Part 3 [*]Part 4 [*]Part 5 [*]Part 6 [*]Part 7 [*]Part 8 [*]Part 9 Amnistar fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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Apr 3, 2014 21:46
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##Add me to the list.
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Apr 3, 2014 21:58
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The Current State of our Country: I shall begin play as Khan Manasseh II of Khazaria. A slothful, content King happy with his realm and sure that his life is in a good position.  I have a group of faithful advisors, some of whom dislike me but that's fine, not a big deal, and it would be too much work to replace them anyway.   Right now I'm just chillin out with my army outside the capital.  A nice stack of cash is saved up, for whatever. Nothing really seems neccessary to spend it on right now.  The laws in place ensure my only child stands to inheret everything.  And we may not be the most technologically advanced group out there, but that is okay.  In the event that war breaks out, my vassals and I can raise a small force.  Judiasm has seen better days though...  So, that's the current state of the world, I'll be playing the appathetic kind of our realm to start with. And to make things interesting I'd like to get 3 laws in place to ensure that it isn't simply just a boring game. If you have a law you want, suggest it, or back others. I'll grab the ones that get the most support and/or seem the most interesting.
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Apr 3, 2014 22:32
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Manasseh is a name of ill omen that does not bode well.
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Apr 3, 2014 22:40
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Patter Song posted:Manasseh is a name of ill omen that does not bode well. Considering I've attempting to Jewish start multiple times and have never been able to avoid being destroyed by the combination of Tengri and Muslim invasions...I don't know that this LP will do well. Of course, as a Content and Slothful ruler, I don't see Manasseh attempting to expand the borders of his realm much.
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Apr 3, 2014 22:42
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The name Manasseh is usually related to either A. one of the twelve tribes, one of the most powerful of the northern tribes that joined in Jeroboam's revolt against Jerusalem and the Davidic line, forming the half-pagan and reviled Northern Kingdom of Israel, and B. King Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah, the idolatrous son of righteous old King Hezekiah, who undid all his father's works and promoted paganism throughout Judah during his half-century reign. Either way, it's a name that carries implications of susceptibility to paganism and idolatry and suspect commitment to Judaism. This will be fun! 
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Apr 3, 2014 22:50
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Patter Song posted:The name Manasseh is usually related to either A. one of the twelve tribes, one of the most powerful of the northern tribes that joined in Jeroboam's revolt against Jerusalem and the Davidic line, forming the half-pagan and reviled Northern Kingdom of Israel, and B. King Manasseh of the Southern Kingdom of Judah, the idolatrous son of righteous old King Hezekiah, who undid all his father's works and promoted paganism throughout Judah during his half-century reign. Either way, it's a name that carries implications of susceptibility to paganism and idolatry and suspect commitment to Judaism. You gonna sign up Patter Song? Also, suggestions for some starter Laws?
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Apr 3, 2014 22:52
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I've been neglecting my own thread for too long (going to finally update later today), and I want to finish that off before taking on other LP commitments. A rule banning those in the line of succession from marrying outside of proper Judaism (IE no non-Jews or heretical Karaites) could be good, but it might be too early for something that...absolute.
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Apr 3, 2014 22:56
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Oh, so very ##Add me to the list I will give you fools an Empire. So that it'll be funnier when the next guy ruins everything 
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Apr 3, 2014 22:57
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My personal idea for a good starter rule that might limit expansion some would be no holy wars unless you have an unlanded member of your dynasty to give the taken land to.
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Apr 3, 2014 23:00
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Are you using 2.04, or Rajahs of India and all the attendant screwups? Either way, ##Add me to the list
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Apr 3, 2014 23:23
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ulmont posted:Are you using 2.04, or Rajahs of India and all the attendant screwups? Either way, ##Add me to the list I have all the DLC installed, and am playing on the latest patch. I do not think that anyone picking up the save needs anything other than Old Gods though.
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Apr 3, 2014 23:29
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This is the Jewish start. Believe me, there will be plenty of opportunity to get Holy Warred also, ##Add me to the list
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Apr 3, 2014 23:42
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Amnistar posted:I have all the DLC installed, and am playing on the latest patch. I do not think that anyone picking up the save needs anything other than Old Gods though. Probably need Sons of Abraham as well in order to play as Jews. ##Add me to the list
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Apr 3, 2014 23:46
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##Add me to the list Sign me up, I want to see us crash headfirst into Arpad and his ilk.
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Apr 4, 2014 00:29
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If this is on the Rajas of India map, Cumania will just as likely crash into us! They can be kind of a jerk like that.
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Apr 4, 2014 00:40
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## Add me to the list This is gonna be good.
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Apr 4, 2014 00:54
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##Add me to the list This looks like it will be interesting. Edit: Jesus you got kind of a lovely roll for Menasseh's stats. Good luck! Double edit: might want to mention that you'll definitely need Sons of Abraham to play as a Jew and if you're using the new map IIRC you'll need Rajas as well. beefart fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Apr 4, 2014 |
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Apr 4, 2014 01:23
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## Add me to the list As for Laws, how about the rule that we are not allowed to act directly against anyone of our dynasty or married to someone of our dynasty (irrespective of type of marriage). Regardless if they're in our country, married to a foreign ruler, independent, whatever, you don't go against family. No plots, no war, no assassination, zip. If *they* act against us, then the gloves come off and we can answer in kind, but we are a family of honor and will not strike the first blow against another family member.  Also, I can't remember if it's part of the customization pack DLC (in which case, it'd be up to the thread whether they want to or not for those that don't have it), but we could also do an unofficial rule wherein each ruler renames one title after themselves upon their ruler's death. That area that your ruler spent his entire life forging claims and fighting bitter wars over? It shall forever be known as the Duchy of Amnistar.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:30
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Veloxyll posted:If this is on the Rajas of India map, Cumania will just as likely crash into us! It is the RoI map - you can see Perm's new Siberian neighbor. Let us spread Judaism to the vast lands of Ind! And then spend the next five or so rulers stomping constant religious revolts.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:31
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I'd like you to ##Add me to the list, but with the caveat that If my turn comes up before may 9th then I be pushed back in favour of the next in line due to impending finals.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:33
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## Add me to the list I did a fairly successful Khazaria->Israel run a little while ago, so I probably won't screw this up. Edit: If this is post-RoI, then there should be a second Jewish state in east Africa, so we aren't totally alone. Just mostly alone.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:33
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We'll be alone once the Islam train rolls up the other jewish state.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:42
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##Add me to the list.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:44
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##Add me to the list I've never done one of these, so it can only end poorly.
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Apr 4, 2014 01:56
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Alright I've started playing, the game is going rather well actually, save for a slight problem that I think I need to work out how to fix. That is...i have no dynasty heir, so if we game over, what do we want to do? Continue from last autosave, playing as the new dynasty? Also, do you need Rajah for the new map? Or was that released to everyone with the latest patch, because if you need it, that would then be a requirement.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:06
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Amnistar posted:Alright I've started playing, the game is going rather well actually, save for a slight problem that I think I need to work out how to fix. That is...i have no dynasty heir, so if we game over, what do we want to do? Continue from last autosave, playing as the new dynasty? Everyone got the new map. As for a game over, I'd say either restart, or try one of the other crazy starts, like Socotra.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:08
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Rajas should only be needed if we wanted to play as an Indian. e;f,b
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Apr 4, 2014 02:09
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##Add me to the list. I am a horrible newbie who is trying to figure out how to play the game and I will completely destroy this whole thing. Vote for me. JGBeagle posted:Rajas should only be needed if we wanted to play as an Indian. AFAIK, Rajas is still bugged.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:36
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Jenner posted:AFAIK, Rajas is still bugged. Not that the actual DLC matters, since it's the patch that's bugged.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:42
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##Add me to the list Definitely just start as some other dynasty if you get a game over. In fact, we could do that even without a game over. There's no reason we have to stay in a direct line. We could easily just up and play as a vassal, younger son, neighbor or whatever if the original dynasty looks to be getting too boring. As for laws, I think it's important we keep things from getting too restrictive early on. We might need to keep our options open to survive the first few years.
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Apr 4, 2014 02:57
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If we want a restriction, how about getting Crown Authority to Absolute as soon as possible, and keeping it there? It'll piss all our vassals off, making the game a bit more interesting. But it'll also give us a ton of levies, which is always a good thing.
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Apr 4, 2014 03:00
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The death of our first leader occured in 897 A.D. I am putting together the update now, and thinking about what I want my law to be. We have more territory than when we started.
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Apr 4, 2014 03:02
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Amnistar posted:The death of our first leader occured in 897 A.D. I am putting together the update now, and thinking about what I want my law to be. We have more territory than when we started. This may not be applicable yet, but I think a good one for some future ruler might be: One of our AI vassals has been a heroic ally, helping time and time again and proving to be nothing but loyal. The (roleplaying) player could grant him a nice duchy as a reward and make his law "the descendants of X shall now and forever be the Dukes of Y," causing problems down the line when the great-grandson of our bro proves to be a rebellious, conspiratorial prick.
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Apr 4, 2014 03:04
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SeaTard posted:If we want a restriction, how about getting Crown Authority to Absolute as soon as possible, and keeping it there? It'll piss all our vassals off, making the game a bit more interesting. But it'll also give us a ton of levies, which is always a good thing. As somebody who is currently playing a game within a HRE that is stuck at Absolute for over a century now with not a single revolt, I'm not sure if that law is more of a boon than it is a hindrance, and in the end, these laws should be designed to be hindrances - minor ones, maybe, but hindrances nonetheless.
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Apr 4, 2014 03:06
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Always be Gavelkind. Or elective. My rule will see the rumours of the pretty borders faction finally and ultimately put into the past.
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Apr 4, 2014 03:11
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Grant land to characters of the Israeli culture group outside of Khazaria when possible. (Dumb law, but reverse diaspora)
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Apr 4, 2014 03:21
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Law Proposal: Wounded or Maimed characters cannot lead armies.
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First, I have decided that I must better myself in some way. I've been enjoying spending time outdoors laying around with my army outside the castle. Mayhaps I would enjoy such a life. I send my son to one my more ambitious vassals. Let him handle the boy, I am enjoying my time outdoors.  One of my subjects is not Jewish, so I sent my Court Rabbi to deal with him. My Spymaster is sent to the city of Constantinople, they seem to have kept alive many of the scholastic traditions of Rome, a bathhouse would be quite nice. My steward is sent to oversee the construction in the capital, while I invite my marshall out to enjoy drinks with me and the army. To keep the peace I send my Chancellor out to keep my Steward from rebelling. While lounging my Marshal mentions that He is the Duke of Sarkel and yet the county of Sarkel is not under his control, but under mine. To make him happy I agree to let him take control of the Duchy.  I receive word that Khan Sol of the Pecheng's has declared war upon Khan Sokal of Comania, which means the greatest external threat to our empire is busy.  I do what any intellegent man would do in a time like this.  I command my men to build me another castle. And start clearing out the pests that have moved into what should be my second castle.  I also upgrade my current castle to expand the town outside. Most places for me to relax.  Then begin the Passover celebration.     Someone spills the beans about the plan to empty my second castle.  Multiple Someones.  I eventually clear out the pest, only to find out that he multiplied!   Cleaning is much to hard work for me. I think a trip to the south is in order. I give the order to the army to march south, I think they misunderstood for when we arrive the start killing the locals.   When I return, my new castle is finished and my second castle is emptied. I spend some pocket money to build them up, who knows when I would like to vacation to them. Of course, the Pecheng's up north have lost their war and now are turning their aggression to us. No matter, I wave my army to deal with the threat.   I am informed that the army is still busy at my vacation home to the south, but they have finished up and are heading north as we speak.  And that I now have new lands I need to administer. Well, the best leaders know how to do one thing. Delegate. And I have heard wonderful things about the delegation powers of these Merchant Families, so I decide to try and set one up myself.    But it seems that the Caspian Sea isn't quite the same as the Mediteranian, and the man I assign doesn't take my advice. The army reaches the battle to the north and I ride my horse up to watch. One of the enemy archers spots me and sends an arrow my way. I don't quite recall what happened next save that our army was victorious, theirs was dead and my sword was covered in blood.  After that the war passed in a blur of battles, and I found I quite enjoyed being in the fray. My spymaster returned with some ideas from the Greeks and I order their implimentation immediately.   My magnificant capital has convinced Duke Itaz that Yahweh does favor me, and he wants to get in on the action. I have my Rabbi fill him in on what it means to be Jewish.  With that settle I celebrate Passover again, with a slightly different group of subjects.  During the Peace I build up my capital some more, this will be the jewel of the world, I know it. My thirst for blood continues however, and a small group of settlements that follow some pagan religion exists to the west. My army and I head west and begin out conquest.   My son comes of age and I have him administer my new territories. I forsee great things from him, and he shall need to start learning to rule early. Perhaps a duchy for him.  I declare war on every single nation within the duchy of Crimea, I shall give my Son the entire realm. then HE can deal with the pagans.  The sneak around to the south while I am busy. But no matter, I shall defeat them eventually.  I create the duchy and attempt to give it to my son, but then realize that I am under gavelkind and can't give him anything else. I feel a little stupid. So I decide to try to make another merchant republic, after finsihgin this war.  God drat heathens. No idea how they survive in this wasteland. I refuse to be technologically backward like they are, more research!   I inheret some land south of Crimea, quickly redistribute it to new dukes and continue with the war.  I end my war, and attempt to set-up a merchant republic for a second time.    Success! Except...He didn't actually get any territory. DAMNIT. Seriously wtf CK2, GAH. To say thanks to my vassals, I declare a war against the Pechengs to recover some of their territory, it goes very well.   And then my son dies.  Damnit.
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