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Everyone seems to be playing nicely again, so I'm reviving the Ask a Copgoon thread. Standard forums rules apply.Cmdr Shepard posted:If you're interested in lounge chat, bullshitting, general chillness, check out our monthly lounge thread in the GiP forum!
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Apr 18, 2014 07:55
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Is there some reason you guys don't post this thread in A/T instead?
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Apr 18, 2014 08:53
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Do mass probation's count as police brutality?
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Apr 18, 2014 09:06
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^^ Only if I do it. If meowlins does it it's just regular brutality. Because we've had it here rather successfully for several years and the A/T's consistently turned to hell. Also I'm pretty sure the A/T mods don't want to deal with it.
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Apr 18, 2014 09:06
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Barent posted:Is there some reason you guys don't post this thread in A/T instead? If I had to venture a guess, it's easier to
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Apr 18, 2014 09:07
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USMC503 posted:If I had to venture a guess, it's easier to *points to yesterday's FYAD genocide*
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Apr 18, 2014 09:08
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Whip Slagcheek posted:*points to yesterday's FYAD genocide* They did it to themselves. (And it was hilarious)
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Apr 18, 2014 09:10
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USMC503 posted:They did it to themselves. (And it was hilarious) Plz don't victim blame in the cop thread
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Apr 18, 2014 09:10
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I don't really buy that reason but okay. Question: Have any of you personally seen or been a part of covering for another officer's mistakes? It seems like a lot of the FTP stuff comes not from the fact that bad cops exist (unavoidable) but instead from the fact that they often get their mistakes covered up by superiors/fellow cops out of a sense of comradery or something similar.
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Apr 18, 2014 09:18
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I've only had to hide one body and the officer swore that it was a mistake so I believed him. -- Real answer: no, I've never participated in any "cover up" but I've also never witnessed anything that would need covering up. Most of the people I work with are professional and I've only once had to write a report on an officer's conduct with a member of the public and I sided with the person making the complaint. It wasn't a serious incident, but he was still out of line. Whip Slagcheek fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 09:27
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Ever arrested someone for being too anime?
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Apr 18, 2014 09:42
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Does it really take two cop cars and four police officers to issue a fix it ticket? I was late to work that day, by the way.
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Apr 18, 2014 09:43
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When cops worry about dying and how their families will be taken care of, or when they want to protect their kids, do they recognize that the people they kill are capable of the same thoughts?
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Apr 18, 2014 09:44
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What are your views on people joining admittedly bad police forces with their intention of documenting and recording every misuse of power, problematic conversation, potential cover-up, union email saying to keep low, and internal views of high profile incidents; and working closely with a journalist while an officer to publicly list everything? (With the caveat that only 'real' incidents which really need to be released get released, and if everything's hunky-dory then everyone's happy.) If you want an example, you can imagine if NYPD's anti-Muslim-surveillance had an internal mole letting a reporter know everything. Or I can substitute an LA/NOPD internal affairs officer. Or an officer who has "concrete evidence" his colleagues are racially motivated in the punishments they hand out and are protected by their department. I'm curious if officers who work with outside agencies against their department are only looked down upon/fired, or would those officers be tracked and arrested? treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 09:48
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a lot of cops/gip posts in the drunk thread.
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Apr 18, 2014 09:53
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I guess it's therapy for them?
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Apr 18, 2014 09:56
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What a great honeypot thread. So what kind of firearm training do they actually give? Do they have those ranges like in the movies were its a big rear end projection screen and you have to make the right choice to shoot or not ect? Are there annual qualifications? Are you required to shoot x amount of rounds a month to stay current?
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Apr 18, 2014 09:58
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Have any copgoons testified against your colleagues/department in defense of a suspect? If not, how well would you imagine you would be received in your department if you have? Im specifically wondering about being morally compelled to turn against other officers in a legal situation; against your department's wishes.
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Apr 18, 2014 10:05
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tentative8e8op posted:If you want an example, you can imagine if NYPD's anti-Muslim-surveillance had an internal mole letting a reporter know everything. Those reporters didn't find out about all the details of that program through FOIA requests. This is what actually happened. Under Kelly, the NYPD ran an internal security program on par with Beria's NKVD, but people still managed to get the word out. The officers who testified for the plantiffs in the federal class action suit come to mind, but you can bet Kelly had them on his list.
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Apr 18, 2014 10:37
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Smiling Jack posted:Those reporters didn't find out about all the details of that program through FOIA requests. This is what actually happened. I know  I am specifically wondering how copgoons feel about people who willingly spill everything to reporters against department, union, and colleagues wishes. e: Id much rather ask how our officers here view such leakers, rather than reading lifeless new article #17 which only has HR and head honchos speaking carefully selected words for a department's views. treasured8elief fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 10:41
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tentative8e8op posted:I know I'm not a cop, but I'd assume some agree with it and others understand it. I doubt many copgoons will admit looking down on people who talk to reporters, save for those cops that ruin investigations and whatnot by doing so.
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Apr 18, 2014 10:48
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If you blow my investigation for two free drinks at a bar and a chance to feel important, gently caress you. On the other hand, if you call Pulitzer Prize winning reporter Mike McAlary because you're pretty sure the hospitalized prisoner with brutal internal injuries was assaulted by cops, you're ok in my book. Edit: Louima was interviewed and photographed by McAlary and an official photographer while still in police custody at the hospital. McAlary said he snuck past the guard at the door.  That cop subsequently took a department discipline for "failing to safeguard a prisoner".It's widely assumed that the cop guarding him not only tipped off the press after Internal Affairs shitcanned the tip from a nurse but allowed McAlary to conduct a lengthy interview. Smiling Jack fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 10:57
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Professor Shark fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 12:04
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tentative8e8op posted:Have any copgoons testified against your colleagues/department in defense of a suspect? If not, how well would you imagine you would be received in your department if you have? I've never been subpoenad to do so, but if I was I'd tell the truth. You don't just qalk in to the middle of a trial and say "um, guys, I have something to say"... It may or may not go over well, but it doesn't matter the reaction, you tell the truth because it's the right thing to do. I'm not going to lie to protect anyone.
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Apr 18, 2014 14:40
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Asked this in the other thread but it went unanswered: Have you ever been witness to one of your fellow officers violating someone's rights? How did you respond?
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Apr 18, 2014 14:43
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Was the officer who arrested Rosa Parks a bad person?
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Apr 18, 2014 15:23
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Miltank posted:Was the officer who arrested Rosa Parks a bad person? Haha, also what color was his favorite color? Probably not. And it was two officers, but there's only a quote from one. Grem fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Apr 18, 2014 |
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Apr 18, 2014 15:45
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Miltank posted:Was the officer who arrested Rosa Parks a bad person? Did he do anything other than arrest her? It's hard to look at a 1955 arrest with 2014 morals. Obviously what he did was wrong, when looked at through the lens of history, but it would be impossible to say if he was a bad person.
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Apr 18, 2014 15:48
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I'd say that bus driver was a pretty huge piece of poo poo.
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Apr 18, 2014 15:50
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mds2 posted:Asked this in the other thread but it went unanswered: I don't know if this is exactly a civil rights violation, but it is something that happens in small towns that annoys that gently caress out of me. We get all sorts of nosy people that wilil call in suspicious(brown) people or cars doing suspicious things and so I feel like if I go out there and talk to the person just cause they are walking while brown in the rural midwest i'm violating their rights, but if I don't the person who calls is always, always watching and then they complain about us and write letters to the local newspaper. They never understand when you try to explain it to them why a person walking isn't suspicious. White people are the worst.
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Apr 18, 2014 15:56
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How long have you been an officer, and are you going to be in the same position forever?
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Apr 18, 2014 16:47
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Neo Duckberg posted:How long have you been an officer, and are you going to be in the same position forever? 7 years for me, but not all of those at the same department. Advancement is really highly dependent on the size of the department. At most small departments, which make up the majority of police departments in the country, turnover for supervisor or administrative positions can be painfully slow and generally only happens when someone retires. There are lots of opportunities for what are called lateral jobs. These include extra duties like K9 officer, detective, evidence/crime scene tech, school resource officer, training officer, range officer, etc. At smaller departments, every patrol officer doubles as one of these roles. Whereas at larger departments, your permanent position might be one of those. There are also opportunities to get involved in multi-jurisdictional teams for investigations, SWAT team, etc. I have no real plans for where I want to go with the job. Maybe one day when my life settles down, but right now I'm just trying to get by and pay the bills. USMC503 posted:They did it to themselves. (And it was hilarious) Is it police brutality if they keep walking into my baton?
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Apr 18, 2014 17:26
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How easy is it to steal blow from the evidence room? You just have access to all the free blow you could possibly want, right?
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Apr 18, 2014 18:41
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This is for people who've used their service pistol/were in the line of fire, have you ever participated in or witnessed the shooting of someone? If so, what was the situation? I don't mean emotionally, I mean what was the circumstances that led to the shooting? And did it follow standard procedure of escalation (or is that even a thing)?
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Apr 18, 2014 18:54
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Does having military plates help in not getting a ticket?
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Apr 18, 2014 19:05
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Branis posted:I don't know if this is exactly a civil rights violation, but it is something that happens in small towns that annoys that gently caress out of me. We get all sorts of nosy people that wilil call in suspicious(brown) people or cars doing suspicious things and so I feel like if I go out there and talk to the person just cause they are walking while brown in the rural midwest i'm violating their rights, but if I don't the person who calls is always, always watching and then they complain about us and write letters to the local newspaper. They never understand when you try to explain it to them why a person walking isn't suspicious. White people are the worst. Ok, but what about the part of being a witness to a fellow officer violating someones rights. And your reaction to it.
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Apr 18, 2014 19:10
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Helldump Immunity. posted:Does having military plates help in not getting a ticket? yep
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Apr 18, 2014 19:16
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Provided you're not within 20 miles of a military base probably.
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Apr 18, 2014 19:24
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Everyone asking about shootings, an amazingly low percentage of cops ever use their firearms. I forget the exact number but it's less than 10%. The odds of anyone here having ever been in a shooting is very low. Now getting shot at, or being around a perp who is shooting, that's another story.
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Apr 18, 2014 19:38
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PostNouveau posted:How easy is it to steal blow from the evidence room? You just have access to all the free blow you could possibly want, right? I'm basically the main coke distributor for the US, all from confiscated coke. The next time you blow a sweet line, you're welcome.
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