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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
The two have always been in conflict, hence the aversion of the US founding fathers to direct democracy (which they pejoratively called "mob rule").
The issue isn't just about the effects of advertising, it's also just plain exposure. The idea of dismissing capitalism as anti-democratic because, what, you think the people saying it are arrogant or something, is hardly scientific. You don't even have to agree with all their political opinions to acknowledge that the tension exists.

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rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

falcon2424 posted:

I'm saying that the anti-capitalist critique is that public policy is too mailable with respect to public opinion. People can make that critique if they want. But 'anti-democratic' is the wrong word for it.
Then you're wrong. The critique about representatives is that voting isn't an expression of public will, because all the candidates have to tow to moneyed interests for their campaigns, and thus they all represent them. Those without large amounts of money are not represented.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Best Friends posted:

Corporate America is not a monolithic entity agreeing on all things. Some companies want things that other companies don't want to happen. Why aren't internet companies and ISPs spending billions to outpace each other over net neutrality?
All the rich people have a collective class interest though, so their collective interests are valued over other class' interests - that is not just in a democracy.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Bacarruda posted:

And yet Soros, Buffett, and the Koch Brothers are all fantastically wealthy people with very different interests. "Class" roughly correlates to how much money you have. It sure as poo poo doesn't mean that wealthy people are a homogeneous group who all believe in the same things or have the same interests.
Sure, they have differing interests, but they share a self-interest in preserving their wealth ie- a class interest. Pay attention please.

asdf32 posted:

By the way, are we supposed to accept democracy as an intrinsic good?
It sure as poo poo is compared to capitalism.

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