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America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Rent-A-Cop posted:

I'm not Californian so forgive me if I miss something obvious here, but Prop 42 sounds a lot like it's going to result in nobody actually paying those costs after the municipalities decide they can't afford it and the state government has a law saying it isn't their responsibility.

This post is quite old now but I want to bring it back up because it got buried under SF talk. It seems counterintuitive to me to place full responsibility of disclosure upon hundreds of individual local governments, each with different amounts of funds, in what would probably be an incredibly confusing and red-tape laden patchwork disclosure system than just have one uniform state disclosure system.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 25, 2014

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 16:41

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

FRINGE posted:

Although the Green platform is often erratic and inconsistent.

The Green Party is really kind of a rump party because it needs all the numbers it can get and American Leftism is so hosed, which is why it has these two different Old Left and New Left elements competing with one another.
Eg. The Greens often talk about localization and decentralization of government and the economy (the state bank poo poo) (New Left) while also talking about big national infrastructure/green energy/economic regulation projects (Old Left).
It also has a NIMBY element to its environmentalism.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 20:22 on May 26, 2014

# ¿ May 26, 2014 20:20

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Ron Jeremy posted:

Hey look a split dem vote for controller leads to two reps leading.

It's somewhat ironic that our new primary system pretty much requires parties to set up their general early to succeed, so really what's the point. Next election I expect we'll see less candidates and a stronger endorsement campaign by both parties.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2014 05:51

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

At least if we have two R controllers in the general, I imagine they will be scrambling to moderate because the first to turncoat will be the first to win.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2014 06:01

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Aspergeoisie posted:

Heyyyy, Perez got in over Evans.

It's such a razor-thin difference between the two D candidates and Evans that I suspect a recount will happen for the controller elections.

# ¿ Jun 4, 2014 13:28

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

So I'm going to ask some questions about the PG&E outages because I'm curious what the popular opinion is:

- Should PG&E be socialized?
- Alternatively, should PG&E be broken up?
- Should we focus more state resources on burying power lines? Is this a worthwhile action to reduce the risk of wildfires?

Looking at previous posts it seems there is support here for the first option.

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 01:58

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Doc Hawkins posted:

"Municipalized" is the correct term, I believe. And yes, obviously, many people ITT think that would be good, but I don't know what that has to do with popular opinion.

In terms of California as a whole, no, opinion here is not very reflective. I was interested more in the "popular opinion" of the posters here.

Thanks for mentioning tree maintenance, that's a point I hadn't heard of before, but it makes sense.

# ¿ Oct 14, 2019 06:42

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Mitsuo posted:

,and also looks like Shahid Buttar will be running against Pelosi in November, having beaten out the Republican for second place.

Nice!

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 04:01

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Everybody should be voting by mail at this point, it's so much easier than standing in line and you don't have last minute surprises. The state could be doing a better job at communicating this.

I would even say permanent vote by mail should be a opt-out instead of a opt-in. It will have some upfront cost but it could increase turnout and maybe even save money long term by reducing the number of physical poll sites needed.

E: You could ask though what do you do about people without an address for whatever reason. Not sure.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Mar 5, 2020

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 08:54

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

BBC News - Coronavirus: California declares emergency after death

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-51740706
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live-updates-Six-dead-in-Washington-15100710.php?t=cb2b3a10f9

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 08:56

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

BattleHamster posted:

for some inexplicable reason the comments on Berkeleyside tend to be heavily fiscally conservative and not at all representative of the people who live and vote here.

Speaking out of my butt but I suspect some people may have a public opinion and a private opinion.

Also it's a hugbox.

# ¿ Mar 5, 2020 18:37

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

sorry newsoms a baller in many ways. he's definitely the solid cali gov we needed.

Make him benevolent dictator for life and secede from the union to form a California Republic?

# ¿ Mar 6, 2020 22:06

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

I'm probably not the only person here that reads the Chronicle but drat

quote:

A Placer County man who died last week from coronavirus almost certainly became infected before he boarded a cruise ship from San Francisco to Mexico on Feb. 11, suggesting that he was exposed to the virus in the community and it has been circulating in parts of California for longer than previously reported, according to a cruise ship doctor.

Dr. Grant Tarling, chief medical officer for Carnival Corporation, which operates the Grand Princess cruise ship on which the Placer County resident had traveled, said that the man was seen by a ship doctor on Feb. 20 for serious respiratory problems. The man told the doctor that he had been feeling unwell for six or seven days, Tarling said.

That would mean the man first had symptoms on Feb. 13 or Feb. 14 — two or three days after boarding the ship in San Francisco. People infected with the coronavirus typically show symptoms no sooner than four days after exposure, studies have found.

“That would have put his exposure period before he joined the vessel,” Tarling said. “So we believe his illness was probably community acquired somewhere in California before he joined the ship.”

So far 30 people who were on the Grand Princess on one of two recent voyages have tested positive for coronavirus. Tarling believes that the Placer County man is the “index case” at the center of the outbreak.

The first reported case of community infection in the United States was Feb. 26, involving a Solano County woman who tested positive while she was hospitalized in Sacramento with serious illness. If the Placer County man was infected by a community exposure, that would mean the virus has been circulating in California for two weeks longer than earlier reports.

Some infectious disease experts believe that the virus probably has been circulating to some degree in the United States since early February or even January.

The timeframe of the Placer County man’s illness is not confirmed, and it’s still possible he became infected while on the ship. It’s possible that he misreported the timing of his symptoms. Also, some studies have found that the incubation period for coronavirus can be as short as one or two days.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Mar 8, 2020

# ¿ Mar 8, 2020 10:22

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

What's wrong with Placer? Just because it isn't bright-rear end blue? I live there and enjoy it.

Lake Tahoe is cool, breaking your legs skiing is cool,

Tax:

https://youtu.be/zeoT66v4EHg

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Mar 9, 2020

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 19:24

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Virus Princess docked in Port of Oakland:

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 20:54

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

I'm wondering genuinely here, what's the big deal. The virus is already popping up randomly in the Bay Area. Take care of these poor people on the boat and let them get back to living normal lives once they recover.

I agree.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 21:16

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Besides my flippant comment I don't see anyone panicking itt.

If there are people concerned, it's probably because cruise ships have been a major vector in Japan and Cambodia and could be here too. But like you say, we already have an outbreak on our hands.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 21:30

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

MarcusSA posted:

https://twitter.com/daveanthony/status/1237986850863628289?s=20

I don't know wtf is going on in Newsom's head but this first tweet is misleading. The Grand Princess had actually docked back in February from a different cruise, and the article the guy linked describes how that first cruise failed to be quarantined. The second cruise that just docked on Monday is being quarantined.

This brings up the very good question of why the first cruise wasn't quarantined and the ship wasn't locked down to prevent further cruises. Major fuckup.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2020 17:04

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

My daughters have a figure skating competition in loving SF this weekend and they haven’t canceled that poo poo yet. Ridiculous.

Yeah I would skip that.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2020 06:00

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Sundae posted:

Just saying... has anyone actually seen Vince McMahon and Gavbot in the same room at the same time?

I tried this app to make a deepfake of Newsom on top of Vince, but alas no cigar.

Instead, enjoy Gavbot:

Sweet dreams.

# ¿ Mar 13, 2020 06:34

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Sydin posted:

Oh boy, this will be fun.

I see they're keeping public transit running, which means I still get to report to work. Despite the fact that I'm a computer toucher and could do 99% of my function from home. Government!

Well I guess I'll be That Guy but for your case your employer should have closed their offices already. Honestly if you can do your job from home and you're still being asked to come in, gently caress em because they don't know what they're doing. I know it's much easier said than done but you should find a new job or work with coworkers to push management. That's just insanity at this point.

I'm concerned about those who are going to be unwillingly unemployed or effectively unemployed by this. I've heard some people working at cafes and restaurants are already getting laid off. I haven't seen legislation from the feds or the state to cover these people. Alameda county is putting a hold on evictions but what if landlords ask for back rent or damages? Should people out of a job right now really be paying for rent and utilities?

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 00:40

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

atelier morgan posted:

If the retail and hospitality sectors make it through with only a 50% haircut that'll put 16 million people (10% of the workforce) out of work lol

Yeah, the economy will kicked into a recession. But California has a several billion dollar surplus to spend to help avoid or mitigate it.

I agree with Sydin, the response by the government is totally inadequate right now and it's putting a lot of people on uncertain footing about their safety and personal finances. Whether we fall into a major recession or not is in the hands of Newsom.

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 00:59

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

OMGVBFLOL posted:

rupaul is fracking lol

Strange times man

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 01:00

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Gangringo posted:

This is one of the times it sucks to be designated critical public safety infrastructure but not getting the respect/hero worship that police/fire/ems get. We've been pretty much told by management that we are to die at our benches if that is necessary. Management can telecommute of course.

What do you do?

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 16:35

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

ratbert90 is either trolling or an odious person, either way they're not worth talking to report and move on.

I agree with others here that rent and mortgages should be suspended.

https://baytanc.com/suspendrent/

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 18:23

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

ratbert90 posted:

I'm not trolling. When I was laid off in 2008 from my $15/hr job at a call center, the directors told all the employees that if they have financial trouble that they should have saved for economic troubles. That moment is seared into my memory of the callous lack of empathy or sympathy from business owners, and now they want sympathy in kind?

Ok sorry for misunderstanding you. I had the impression you just were being "let them eat cake" callous about everyone - employees and employers included.

I don't have a good answer for your larger point so I'll shut up and remove myself from your discussion.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 18:43

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Another org for tenants:

https://www.acceaction.org/

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 18:49

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

I remember going to a Bernie canvass and when we were introducing ourselves one lady said they were a "socialist business entrepreneur" and I was very confused. Deadass that's not one of you right.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 19:38

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

xcheopis posted:

Except the state won't be paying for it. They expect the local homeless programs to pay $190/night/person; in Alameda County that's something like $2,000,000.00 per day.

$5700 per person per month? That's a scam. There are thousands of vacant homes in the Bay area alone.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 21:57

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

MarcusSA posted:

Oh drat my dad still lives there.

I’m in LA and they have done jack and poo poo lol

And it's almost certainly got to be there, why is Garcetti and his admin dragging their feet?

E: it is there

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Mar 19, 2020

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 00:24

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

luminalflux posted:

Vote for or donate to Shahid Buttar

Look at this man. Why would you not want to vote for him?

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 04:54

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Apparently there a ton of orgs asking for a statewide rent moratorium:
https://www.scribd.com/document/452297672/Sign-on-Letter-Gov-Newsom-Statewide-Eviction-Moratorium
scribd may ask you to make an account or whatever, ignore it.

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 04:56

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

CopperHound posted:

I don't know if the cops are in on it yet, but NIMBYs have been using the shelter in place order as a great excuse to gently caress with food not bombs.

What do you mean exactly?

E: they should be an essential service as a food bank.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Mar 20, 2020

# ¿ Mar 20, 2020 17:25

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

The Glumslinger posted:

https://twitter.com/JanelleBitker/status/1241083601120137216

Kon-tiki has awesome drinks would recommend

# ¿ Mar 21, 2020 01:25

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

MarcusSA posted:

I’m on the coast in LA and there is still poo poo going on at the beach. The hang gliding company is still up and running with people there.

Also I feel the need to point out that Italy has to close all of its parks today because it’s still not slowing.

We are in for a world of hurt.

Yeah it looks like things in LA are getting desperate

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/l-a-county-gives-up-on-containing-coronavirus-tells-doctors-to-skip-testing-of-some-patients/

# ¿ Mar 21, 2020 01:30

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Sydin posted:

I went out to get groceries and the cashier who rang me up was wearing gloves and handled all five people in front of me, then me, without ever changing them. She also insisted on handling my ID for the alcohol purchase instead of just letting me show it to her and hold it for her to scan. Also while I was paying she noticed some random object on the ground and just picked it up, again with the same gloves, then handed me my receipt with the same hand.

This poo poo infuriates me so much. Ditto the morons walking around with facemasks on like it's going to do them any loving good. Actual medical facilities are having PPE shortages because dipshits and dipshit companies are buying them all up and then not even using them correctly. So many people treating gloves like they're magical anti-viral forcefields when in fact to be effective they'd have to be changed constantly to be effective. God we are so loving insufferably stupid as a species.

I feel like this is too much moralizing and not enough focusing on the core problems:

1. The government didn't step in and bar the sale of PPE to anyone but hospitals. Unfortunately, letting the free market run amok here was an obvious mistake.
2. People aren't really getting trained on how to properly use PPE in jobs where it could be useful. It could be argued that we need grocers and we need them to not get sick so people can buy supplies they need. But they're not getting trained so giving them PPE is a complete waste in every way.

The larger problem here is in these emergencies we need a planned economy to properly coordinate allocation of resources, and the free market is not sufficient to the task at hand. We can focus on the stupidity of individuals, and it is cathartic to complain about it, but there is a greater more insidious stupidity in keeping a market economy at all.

# ¿ Mar 21, 2020 22:31

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

PG&E did something good? It can't be.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcbayarea.com/news/coronavirus/pge-donates-1m-masks-to-hospitals-first-responders/2259263/%3famp

# ¿ Mar 23, 2020 04:41

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Sydin posted:

Does the state/county not have the power to close beaches to the public?

The SJPD chief came out yesterday and said too many people and businesses are openly flaunting the SiP order and come Monday there's going to be a significant ramp up of enforcement. Businesses seem simple enough: if they're open and they shouldn't be then you show up and shut them down. People is trickier though: unless you catch them sunbathing at a beach or something how do you prove they were travelling for unessential reasons?

Apparently Italy has it now that you have to fill out a permit to go outside. The police have the right to stop anyone outside and ask for the permit.

I'm still questioning the feasibility of such a system for CA, but it seems it may be possible to enforce isolation at the individual level.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2020 04:52

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

This is good

https://twitter.com/MattHaneySF/status/1242595384385359873?s=19

# ¿ Mar 25, 2020 05:47

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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 16:41

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

Does anyone know if there are bills being proposed in the state legislature to cover the cost of Coronavirus treatment? Testing has been made free but there is a disturbing lack of any legislation at the federal or state level to cover treatment costs.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2020 18:28

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