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May 9, 2014 15:26
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There are roughly 500k people working in education in Ontario. Only 92k work in the government bureaucracy. If fully half the job cuts are teachers, man. Open the bloodgates.
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May 9, 2014 15:30
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tagesschau posted:Hudak's "Minus A Hundred Thousand Jobs Plan." Hudak's "Nine Hundred Thousand Net Jobs Plan" What does he expect unemployed teachers to do? It's not like a BEd is a particularly versatile degree.
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May 9, 2014 15:35
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Whiskey Sours posted:Hudak's "Nine Hundred Thousand Net Jobs Plan" You just answered this question yourself. They can do one of the 900,000 other jobs that are going to open up.
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May 9, 2014 15:49
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Pinterest Mom posted:Well.  Oh little Timmy Hudak, one day you will learn not to say retarded poo poo.
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May 9, 2014 15:52
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2014 PC campaign, May 7 2014-May 9 2014.
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eXXon posted:You just answered this question yourself. They (teachers) can do one of the 900,000 other jobs that are going to open up. Let's hope so. There is such a glut of teachers as it is that releasing more onto the unemployment line just makes no sense. Fact: the government had to step in and alter teachers college to be a two year program to try and slow down the number of new teachers coming into the market. Because there is nothing for them. I have friends who have been on supply lists for years hoping to get a full-time teaching position. I cannot understand how Hudak is still the leader of the party - the man can do no right. At this point people's perception is that it is a matter of when he sinks the PCs chances, not if. Not that I'm rooting for the PCs - at this point it's just trying to pick the lesser of three evils. God help us if the Liberals can win that distinction (I'm looking at you, Horwath - start pitching some solid policies instead of flinging garbage about the Libs wanting to privatize the TTC).
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May 9, 2014 16:03
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I never thought someone would run on the "Elect Me: I'll put you out of a job!" platform.
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May 9, 2014 16:04
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Kafka Esq. posted:Would save 2 billion, and remove 100k middle class jobs from the economy, who will all go on to be successful [REDACTED]. The math doesn't add up, 2b/100k is only 20k per job. He's either going to fire 100,000 minimum wage earners, he's overstated the number of jobs, underestimated the amount saved or factored in the loss in tax revenue. He could have just said he was going to actually implement suggestions out of the Liberal commissioned Drummond report. Hudak is the worst. Or maybe he's just playing the long con with Harper. quote:There is growing speculation that the Harper Conservatives would not be unhappy to see Mr. Hudak to flame out; that it will be easier to campaign federally in 2015 if the Liberals are still in power at Queen’s Park.
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May 9, 2014 16:04
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AegisP posted:I never thought someone would run on the "Elect Me: I'll put you out of a job!" platform. No no, his platform is "Elect Me: I'll put someone else out of a job!". Unless you're a government employee, but then you weren't going to vote for Hudak anyway, were you?
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May 9, 2014 16:11
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So it's a good thing I didn't  myself about Hudak saying something about Wynne's sexuality would cause his downfall because there is no way in hell I would have guessed someone would stand up and say "elect me and I fire 100,000" people.
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May 9, 2014 16:11
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eXXon posted:No no, his platform is "Elect Me: I'll put someone else out of a job!". Unless you're a government employee, but then you weren't going to vote for Hudak anyway, were you? I thought that initially too but there are a lot of non-government workers with kids in school.
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May 9, 2014 16:15
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I love the "pfft, we can afford to get rid of teachers, we'll just increase class sizes!" bit. Like, yeah, dude, that's the ticket. Do exactly the opposite of good practice, let's just jam a hundred kids into each classroom because there's not enough teachers to run two concurrent English classes anymore. Does he think there's only five kids per class right now? Is that it? He looked at the total number of registered teachers in Ontario and not the "full-time permanent" number and got confused?
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May 9, 2014 16:31
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May 9, 2014 16:40
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According to StatsCan, Ontario has 92K full time Civil Servants, the rest work for school boards, universities and hospitals. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/govt62d-eng.htm Andrew Coyne back tracked so fast on Twitter he gained 5 years of life after he said it was a good plan.
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May 9, 2014 16:41
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Of course, local governments and local school boards are under provincial control, so it's really more like 1.1 million under provincial control. But the 236k who work in health are off limits, as are the 25k police officers. And the 274k who work in local government boards are probably off limits too. So you're looking at cuts of 100k out of the remaining ~600k employees. Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 16:51 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 16:45
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Pinterest Mom posted:Of course, local governments and local school boards are under provincial control, so it's really more like 1.1 million under provincial control. Yes, anything not federal is automatically under provincial jurisdiction but does anyone really think he's going after trustees and city staff? Edit: I see your edit and I'll call. The ultimate point of all this, as I see several people on Twitter going back and forth with different figures, is that Hudak has not made it clear what he's going to axe. Tossing out a round number and making vague statements about privatization does not cut it. He has to be more clear when it's 100k jobs on the line. Lobok fucked around with this message at 16:54 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 16:50
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Wow. I knew it had to happen sometime, but the fact that he managed such a wild Hudakism like three days into the campaign is actually pretty impressive. I've been saying it forever, but Hudak is electoral poison and I hope the OPC keeps him as leader forever.
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May 9, 2014 16:54
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Can we start the cuts with the Mayor of Toronto?
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May 9, 2014 16:57
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Pinterest Mom posted:Of course, local governments and local school boards are under provincial control, so it's really more like 1.1 million under provincial control. I wouldn't be surprised if part of this plan is a sizable cut in funding for municipalities that's designed to make them lay people off, making the 274k in local government not necessarily off limits, depending how he's calculating this dreamland number that he just made up.
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May 9, 2014 16:59
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vyelkin posted:I wouldn't be surprised if part of this plan is a sizable cut in funding for municipalities that's designed to make them lay people off, making the 274k in local government not necessarily off limits, depending how he's calculating this dreamland number that he just made up. Possibly, but that's much harder to spin. The point of this job cut plan should be to say "Hey look at how bloated this government has become under the Liberals" not to pull the rug out from under municipalities. Edit: Then again... quote:Adam Radwanski @aradwanski Lobok fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 17:02
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Counterpoint to all this Andrew Coyne nonsense: 
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May 9, 2014 17:02
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:I love the "pfft, we can afford to get rid of teachers, we'll just increase class sizes!" bit. Like, yeah, dude, that's the ticket. Do exactly the opposite of good practice, let's just jam a hundred kids into each classroom because there's not enough teachers to run two concurrent English classes anymore. Pfft why do we even need class "rooms"? Just shove all the kids into the gym with 1 teacher. Think of the savings! 
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May 9, 2014 17:07
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Lobok posted:100,000  How do you create jobs by firing people?
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May 9, 2014 18:12
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Rutibex posted:
He is going to take the money he saved and give a big sloppy one to corporate job creators. They might pay him back by making some jobs, maybe.
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May 9, 2014 18:21
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Rutibex posted:
With 100,000 less teachers and civil servants, we will no longer be able to enforce regulations on business, so they can create lots of sweat shop jobs for our newly uneducated workforce to fill, since the option is starving to death because we can also no longer administer social programs.
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May 9, 2014 19:42
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When I read the title of the new article on the CBC I thought "Wow the CBC are getting really partisan with their headlines." But no, he actually said he'd cut 100 000 public sector jobs. I don't get it. Hudak went full Republican (never go full Republican) and had to backtrack before the election on Right-To-Work, but now has gone back to wanting to decimate the public sector.
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May 9, 2014 20:25
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Dreylad posted:When I read the title of the new article on the CBC I thought "Wow the CBC are getting really partisan with their headlines." But no, he actually said he'd cut 100 000 public sector jobs. A leopard can't change its spots. Hudak is a true believer. He legitimately thinks that cutting one fifth of the Ontario public sector would be a good thing for the province. That's why he's electoral poison, because he hasn't learned the lesson to shut up and only say speeches other people have written for him, and when he speaks his mind 75% of the province is repulsed by his actual honest-to-God opinions.
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May 9, 2014 20:32
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vyelkin posted:he hasn't learned the lesson to shut up and only say speeches other people have written for him I think that's what happened at the recording studio, though: he stuck steadfastly to his rehearsed comments, and looked like a fool for doing that. edit: That news conference was an awful example of what happens when your staff apparently decides not to brief you at all beforehand. tagesschau fucked around with this message at 20:42 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 20:39
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tagesschau posted:I think that's what happened at the recording studio, though: he stuck steadfastly to his rehearsed comments, and looked like a fool for doing that. He just needs the right kind of message control. http://www.cbc.ca/player/Shows/ID/2267142576/
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May 9, 2014 20:45
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There are plenty of people in Ontario who will gleefully cheer Hudak on in this plan, and who honestly DO believe getting rid of teachers and government workers will be a boon to the economy. It's like the time Reagan fired those air traffic controllers! Except these people aren't getting their jobs back at reduced pay, they're not getting their jobs back at all! EVEN BETTER! However, the number of people who would be keen on this plan is not great enough to give Mr. Hudak the majority (or even minority) he so craves. How long before other PCs start to sharpen their knives for him (again) do you think? Before or after the election? Maybe some new poll numbers need to come out. If he blows this one, I can't see him getting another chance. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Pfft why do we even need class "rooms"? Just shove all the kids into the gym with 1 teacher. Think of the savings! It worked on Little House on the Prairie! Remember the good old days when schoolhouses had ALL the kids in them?
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May 9, 2014 20:47
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Leofish posted:There are plenty of people in Ontario who will gleefully cheer Hudak on in this plan, and who honestly DO believe getting rid of teachers and government workers will be a boon to the economy. It's like the time Reagan fired those air traffic controllers! Except these people aren't getting their jobs back at reduced pay, they're not getting their jobs back at all! EVEN BETTER! I'd like to believe that any voter with kids will realize the degree to which this would gut Ontario's already shaky education system. Air traffic controllers are a vague, rare job, and you never run into them in the course of them doing said job. Teachers work with your kids every day, and some that you know personally will very likely lose their jobs if Hudak follows through.
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May 9, 2014 21:20
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DStecks posted:I'd like to believe that any voter with kids will realize the degree to which this would gut Ontario's already shaky education system. Air traffic controllers are a vague, rare job, and you never run into them in the course of them doing said job. Teachers work with your kids every day, and some that you know personally will very likely lose their jobs if Hudak follows through. I can't imagine the Big Red Machine won't hammer that home with a million ads a day from now until the election, either, even if each individual voter doesn't make the connection themselves.
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May 9, 2014 21:37
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"I take no joy in this, but it has to be done if we want job creators to put more people on the payroll in our province," Because as we all know, "job creators" are doing such an amazing job of hiring people as it is.
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May 10, 2014 00:58
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BattleMaster posted:"I take no joy in this, but it has to be done if we want job creators to put more people on the payroll in our province," Seems like "If Job creators don't hire more people I will tax them into non-existence and use the money to hire public employees. Vote for me if you have a teaching degree and no job!" would be more effective. Kill three birds with one stone.
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May 10, 2014 01:38
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Pinterest Mom posted:But the 236k who work in health are off limits
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May 10, 2014 02:14
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I got a card in the mail saying the Liberals are going to save me  $70 a year by eliminating the debt retirement charge on my hydro bill!MAKE IT RAIN, KATHLEEN WYNNE! They're actually campaigning on this.
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May 10, 2014 03:03
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I can't believe Hudak is going to lose to these people.quote:According to the government, a typical family consuming about 800 kilowatt hours per month would save about $75.60 a year after taxes once the debt retirement charge is removed on Jan. 1, 2016.
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May 10, 2014 03:11
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Ikantski posted:I can't believe Hudak is going to lose to these people.  Lying about your terrible policies is generally a better strategy than telling the truth about your terrible policies.
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May 10, 2014 03:54
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Leofish posted:I got a card in the mail saying the Liberals are going to save me Must be a plot to tackle Horwath's pledge to give rebates over energy bills. It's not exactly a big part of the Liberal campaign, but since Horwath hasn't released much concrete policy data it's essentially an early attempt to cut her off at the pass on whatever the specifics of her energy rebate plan are.
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May 10, 2014 10:35
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Ipsos had a poll that shows the Tories at 37%, the Liberals at 31% and the NDP at 28%. 28% say Wynne deserves re-election, 72% are saying that its "time for another party to take over" and 36% say that Ontario is "currently on the right track" while 64% say Ontario is "headed in the wrong direction". These numbers came out before Hudak's pledge to cut 100,000 jobs so its hard to know where they'll be in a couple weeks, and of course most the electorate won't really start paying attention to the election until late may or early June. Still, with this many people indicating that the province is on the wrong track and that it's "time for change" I think that if the Tories stumble (or rather if their current mistakes start killing them at the polls) then maybe we're about to see the second NDP government in Ontario's history. I do not understand what Hudak is doing right now. His supporters are already the most dedicated, did he really need to toss them more red meat? PC supporters are the most likely to vote and the least likely to switch parties. You'd think he would want to target those swing voters in the GTA who helped both Harper and Ford win. Maybe he's thinking that he can win Ford Nation's votes, and thus the GTA, by basically repeating the 'gravy train' rhetoric from the Mayoral election? The thing is, Ford was always really none-specific about what he'd cut and he always claimed that there'd be no reductions in services. Hudak by contrast is making the same promises as Ford but actually being pretty blunt about the fall out (larger class sizes! gently caress teachers!). I thought that him reversing his stance on unions was the beginning of him taking toward the centre but apparently not. Helsing fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 10, 2014 |
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