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Cimber posted:One last thing before we go back to modern civil war. When I lived in Florida a few years back I was driving home late one night and was listening to AM radio. They had a few 'scholars' on talking about the war, and more than one person called in and referred to it as "the War of Northern Aggression." Very very weird. That's the standard old timer phrase in the south. Or the War Between the States if you're feeling diplomatic. What's weird is the same people who not a decade ago shouted every chance they got about how Lincoln was a treasonous rapist bastard now parrot the Party of Lincoln™ line without a second thought. Same people who also called MLK a womanizing commie plagiarist back then and now refer to him as the Ur-Republican.
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comes along bort posted:That's the standard old timer phrase in the south. Or the War Between the States if you're feeling diplomatic. There's no "back then." They say any and all of those lines depending on context. Consistency has nothing to do with it. c.f. the freeper thread.
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comes along bort posted:That's the standard old timer phrase in the south. Or the War Between the States if you're feeling diplomatic.
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May 7, 2014 18:58
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It hasn't been that long, honestly. Hell I'll turn 30 this year and I had a great-grandfather that fought in the Civil war. 2014 and only three generations later.
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May 7, 2014 19:00
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Stultus Maximus posted:There's no "back then." They say any and all of those lines depending on context. Consistency has nothing to do with it. c.f. the freeper thread. Nah, nobody said good things about either guy in polite company until very recently.
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comes along bort posted:Nah, nobody said good things about either guy in polite company until very recently.
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Kinda checked out from US politics for awhile, sad to see that the state of the union is completely depressing. Especially depressing to catch up on Scotus blog, as it seems most of the decisions coming out these days translate into more money = better than. Even with Sibellius, where the Business owners are getting up in arms because they cannot (hopefully - fingers crossed Kennedy) force their employees to live under the same tenants of faith as they do, like some feudal lord getting up in arms because the field hands dare believe that transubstantiation is rather silly. I was going to try and dial back on the booze this May, but I'm feeling kinda grim now. Suggesting Laphroaig of pretty much any vintage, as the smokey burn going down compliments any foul mood rather well. In happier news, gonna check out the Shelby Foote trilogy. I read Grant's Memoirs awhile back and really enjoyed them, and it would be interesting to read a history of the war from a slightly shifted perspective. As far as the "war of northern aggression" goes, its not an uncommon thought at all. I know a bunch of folks out in Western VA who take that line, which is doubly funny because Western VA split off from VA following VA's initial vote to secede from the Union.
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Radish posted:Ding ding ding. No one (on either side of the debate) is fooled by the transparent attempts to made abortion illegal again but I guess the pro-life side has to maintain the charade for the eventual SCOTUS case so Roberts can claim that "no one would think that making abortion impossible to get would make it de facto illegal so it's totally ok!"
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JT Jag posted:I really, really hope one of the conservatives on the bench dies before abortion goes up to the Supreme Court again. "Didn't you guys hear? Misogyny is dead thanks to Hillary Clinton becoming president. Therefore, we no longer need to protect women's rights." Damned Roberts.
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Stultus Maximus posted:There's no "back then." They say any and all of those lines depending on context. Consistency has nothing to do with it. c.f. the freeper thread. It's funny how conservatism went from being a semi-intellectual movement into being just a loving hot gooey mess of contradictions and insanity. I mean, gently caress, when their thinkers are making William Buckley look good ... well, that says it all. There are literally no actual intellectual conservatives anymore, not a single one, who actually has any kind of influence on the GOP or Conservatism writ large. Not that the "left" in America has a lot of great thinkers who are in the public sphere influencing policy, but it's better than having raving lunatics actively running the agenda. [edit]People aren't things. BUSH 2112 fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 7, 2014 |
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May 7, 2014 19:48
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McDowell posted:http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/31/constitutional-conundrum-michigan-demand-for-a-bal/?page=all
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JT Jag posted:I really, really hope one of the conservatives on the bench dies before abortion goes up to the Supreme Court again. There's nothing wrong with the current U.S. Constitution that can't be corrected by the loss of two conservative Justices and the appointment of three new progressive Justices: I'm looking at you Ginsburg; because of her age, not her politics.
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Fried Chicken posted:Net Neutrality: It’s dead. This doesn't reflect the discussion in the net neutrality thread. Not trying to have the argument here beyond pointing out that it exists. In so far as news goes, the next big item will be the FCC vote on May 15 regarding a notice of proposed rulemaking.
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Welp, a federal judge just closed down the John Doe investigation into Scott Walkerquote:In his ruling, Randa sided with Wisconsin Club for Growth and its director, Eric O'Keefe, who argued that the "John Doe" investigation had "devastated" the group's ability to fundraise and engage in issue advocacy, and had limited it and other conservative group's participation in the 2014 election cycle. In his ruling for the conservative group, Randa cited several Supreme Court cases, including the recent McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, to say that issue advocacy speech can only be viewed one way -- as "protected First Amendment speech" -- and to cast doubts on the government's right to regulate it.
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When ever you guys are pissed/upset/sad about the current state of America just remember one thing. There are people out there orders of magnitudes more upset on right just because Obama is president. Just remember to mix their misery with your favorite alcohol for maximum effect.
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DemeaninDemon posted:When ever you guys are pissed/upset/sad about the current state of America just remember one thing. There are people out there orders of magnitudes more upset on right just because Obama is president. Just remember to mix their misery with your favorite alcohol for maximum effect. To that end the latest outrage over internet stupidity is a failed attempt at rallying college republicans through the clever use of twitter hashtags http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/07/after-fox-interviews-offended-student-twitter-conservatives-rage-at-myliberalcampus/ quote:Conservatives on Twitter are outraged by an interview in which the co-chair of the University of California, Santa Barbara’s chapter of the College Republicans claimed that a professor mocked Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) last semester. So some dumb white girl has her jimmies all in a rustle by an exchange which obviously happened and was in no way made up, and takes to the only outlet through which she can adequately express her angst. The internet being the internet, the inevitable followed:   
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How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in.
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eviltastic posted:This doesn't reflect the discussion in the net neutrality thread. Not trying to have the argument here beyond pointing out that it exists. In so far as news goes, the next big item will be the FCC vote on May 15 regarding a notice of proposed rulemaking. BUSH 2112 posted:It's funny how conservatism went from being a semi-intellectual movement into being just a loving hot gooey mess of contradictions and insanity. I mean, gently caress, when their thinkers are making William Buckley look good ... well, that says it all. There are literally no actual intellectual conservatives anymore, not a single one, who actually has any kind of influence on the GOP or Conservatism writ large. DynamicSloth posted:Pretty idiotic to think a state can't rescind an application for a constitutional convention. Particularly since that is how these same people would argue the ERA is dead.
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Bunleigh posted:How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in. Because they believe their sports team can do nothing wrong and therefore the other team bad. That twitter owns hahahahahahaha.
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Bunleigh posted:How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in. Because most people are too busy living their lives to pay a cursory level of attention to things far away that don't directly impact them, and marketing works
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Bunleigh posted:How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in. In my own experience it's that when already emotionally drained people hear about the poo poo going on behind the soundbites, they get really uncomfortable. My wife for instance, gets actively angry at me for talking about politics when I point out things that shatter the Just World view. Believing in a Just World is comforting and simple. Seeing that it's all a horrible lie hurts far too badly, so they just wave it off and listen to the talking heads. "If I don't hear it, it doesn't exist and I can get up and keep going the next day".
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Is the trend towards pessimism/nihilism a new development in politics? The top three politics threads in D&D as I type this are all some variation of "abandon all hope". What's the historical precedent for wide-ranging dissatisfaction with politics, and what happened to change it? Please don't tell me that it's always been this way and I'm only now old enough to notice.
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Grundulum posted:Is the trend towards pessimism/nihilism a new development in politics? The top three politics threads in D&D as I type this are all some variation of "abandon all hope". What's the historical precedent for wide-ranging dissatisfaction with politics, and what happened to change it?
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Bunleigh posted:How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in. Check into this very forum on any debate about drone strikes, the death penalty, austerity, welfare etc. You don't have to be a Republican to be stupid and vindictive.
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Talmonis posted:In my own experience it's that when already emotionally drained people hear about the poo poo going on behind the soundbites, they get really uncomfortable. My wife for instance, gets actively angry at me for talking about politics when I point out things that shatter the Just World view. Believing in a Just World is comforting and simple. Seeing that it's all a horrible lie hurts far too badly, so they just wave it off and listen to the talking heads. "If I don't hear it, it doesn't exist and I can get up and keep going the next day". I don't understand why people find the idea of Just World being a fallacy so soul-crushing. The world sucks and is a lovely place and god damnit it is up to us to fight to make it a better one. JWF is not a happy thought, but it's a damned compelling reason to go out and fight the good fight, not to hide in a hole and pray to Republican Jesus to make all the dirty poors go away instead of loving helping each other out and trying to help humanity be a little better off. Grundulum posted:Is the trend towards pessimism/nihilism a new development in politics? The top three politics threads in D&D as I type this are all some variation of "abandon all hope". What's the historical precedent for wide-ranging dissatisfaction with politics, and what happened to change it? Thread mood seems to bounce between 'DING DONG THE REPUBLICANS ARE DYING REJOICE' and 'we are completely, inexorably hosed.' With any luck, someone will find and crush the phylacteries of Justices Scalia and Roberts and we'll get a Supreme Court that doesn't feel largely controlled by lackies of the Koch Brothers. Congress is going to keep being dysfunctional until 2020 at the minimum, but the Dems will probably keep the POTUS on lockdown for the next decade so we're not going to have completely bugfuck crazy legislature going through. Meanwhile, hopefully popular support for things like a minimum wage that doesn't require you to have 4 jobs will keep building to the point that in a decade or so we get some poo poo done. I'm not super hopeful, we'll probably keep limping along, but I'm also not completely despairing  More drinkchat - scotch and coke works really well if you want something less harsh but still scotch-y. My roommate loves them and they're pretty good Magres fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 7, 2014 |
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Ever since the beginning of the recession I've noticed a souring in relation to politics amongst the people I know. For the republicans that didn't change much just meant they got angrier, for the democrats they got all nihilistic about nothing ever changing and even the people who pay little to no attention now get depressed by politics. That's anecdotal of course but it's just how I've noticed people reacting. Also on drink chat, Talisker is a really nice scotch. It's like drinking a camp fire.
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Grundulum posted:What's the historical precedent for wide-ranging dissatisfaction with politics, and what happened to change it? Barack Hussein Obama
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Fried Chicken posted:Because most people are too busy living their lives to pay a cursory level of attention to things far away that don't directly impact them, and marketing works SedanChair posted:Check into this very forum on any debate about drone strikes, the death penalty, austerity, welfare etc. You don't have to be a Republican to be stupid and vindictive.
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Bunleigh posted:How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in. Now, what most people don't remember from 8th grade American History is how elections have changed over the centuries, with the two-party system becoming ironclad and differences in ideologies no longer being a matter of nuanced and varied difference of opinion amongst individuals, but rather stark divisions between these two parties. The checks and balances system that we worship so much doesn't account for that. So when the average, well-meaning folk hears "Republicans are the problem" they see that as a rejection of checks and balances, because with the average person's understanding of how our government works, an administration where one party controls all three branches has no checks and balances, because everyone's going to be working as one entity rather than three branches that keep each other in check. And this all applies just as well to "Democrats are the problem." It's not "both parties are equally bad." It's "neither party should be in charge of everything." That, I believe, is the mindset of average well-meaning folks.
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Magres posted:More drinkchat - scotch and coke works really well if you want something less harsh but still scotch-y. My roommate loves them and they're pretty good That'd require me to keep soda in the house, so instead I drink rusty nails. Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 21:32 on May 7, 2014 |
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Ted Cruz has released his report on 76 lawless actions by Obama, and yeah, they're as bullshit as you'd imagine http://www.scribd.com/doc/222704929/Ted-Cruz-Legal-Limit-Report-4
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Bunleigh posted:See I think that idea might have passed muster in the 90s or even when things were still relatively okay in the Bush years before the crash but now it seems inescapable. 'The truth is in the middle' is a really, really lazy way to feel intellectually smug and superior whenever you talk politics. That's literally all that guy is doing, it's basically the hipsterism of politics - parties are too mainstream for me man.
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Bunleigh posted:How do there still exist people who pay even a cursory level of attention to current events and can't tell Republicans are the problem? I'm not talking about the twisted hate-golems that make up the actual right wing base, I mean just regular-rear end well-meaning folks who fret about how dysfunctional everything is and believe the truth is in the middle somewhere. I just really can't believe anyone who isn't fully invested in the right-wing worldview can still at this point fail to recognize the reality they're living in. Well I'll throw in my two cents growing up as the son of a registered tea party fox news watching ex-military/small business/gun owner and a bleeding heart liberal who hates the republicans and thinks we should remove the second amendment and censor media that "damages our society". I've watched the whole thing get more and more vicious and personal and partisan all my life. I'm not saying that republicans aren't usually in the wrong or ignorant of the issues, as I have always voted democrat, but at the end of the day you can't ignore them and you can't disenfranchise roughly half the country. Like it or not there are a lot of them and in a democracy that's all that counts. I wish I had a solution or saw some hope on the horizon but sometimes it feels like Ukraine with both sides calling each other fascists and rallying everyone to get angrier and never give in to those democrats/republicans/nazis. The greatest advantage America has is that even while we feel cheated or angry we haven't resorted to violence in the streets. Yet. quote:Check into this very forum on any debate about drone strikes, the death penalty, austerity, welfare etc. You don't have to be a Republican to be stupid and vindictive. Also, yeah there are a lot of issues that should be more nuanced than breaking straight down party lines but we'll never address them when we can't even get on the same page with simple provable things like global warming. RadicalWall fucked around with this message at 21:35 on May 7, 2014 |
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Good Citizen posted:Ted Cruz has released his report on 76 lawless actions by Obama, and yeah, they're as bullshit as you'd imagine Citing Breitbart, the Daily Mail, and The Right Scoop 
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How about my chocolate-flavored whey/banana/peanut butter smoothy? It's pretty drat delicious. I don't think anyone has mentioned beer much, either. I like Deschutes Black Butte Porter. Nice, dark, and flavorful.
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Good Citizen posted:Ted Cruz has released his report on 76 lawless actions by Obama, and yeah, they're as bullshit as you'd imagine quote:4. This really seems like the kind of thing the Republican's should not be fighting Obama on, seems like a good way to piss of both minorities and the military
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socialsecurity posted:This really seems like the kind of thing the Republican's should not be fighting Obama on, seems like a good way to piss of both minorities and the military It's not going to piss off anyone in the military that they care about, and GOP minority "outreach" has for quite a while been firmly set at tokenism and trying not to openly call for re-segregation too often. This is, predictably enough, just about riling up the base.
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Magres posted:More drinkchat - scotch and coke works really well if you want something less harsh but still scotch-y. My roommate loves them and they're pretty good  It's whiskey or even bourbon with coke. Scotch should be enjoyed with a splash of water at the most unless it's garbage scotch... which then begs the question why the gently caress aren't you drinking decent scotch.
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Good Citizen posted:Ted Cruz has released his report on 76 lawless actions by Obama, and yeah, they're as bullshit as you'd imagine Most of those things are just executive orders. Whatever happened to the party of "if the president does it, that means its not illegal"?
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socialsecurity posted:This really seems like the kind of thing the Republican's should not be fighting Obama on, seems like a good way to piss of both minorities and the military A lot of the things on that list are things that Republicans would definitely support if it was their idea. A lot of them are just straight up fabrications too, like the very first one about work waivers for TANF
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