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Considering how they've said they don't want any of the factions to be 'good' or 'evil', it's weird that the supremacy victory has you go back to earth to borg it by force, and the purity victory has you terraforming an apparently sentient planet into Earth 2.0.
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Red Bones posted:Considering how they've said they don't want any of the factions to be 'good' or 'evil', it's weird that the supremacy victory has you go back to earth to borg it by force, and the purity victory has you terraforming an apparently sentient planet into Earth 2.0. To be fair, the supremacists have no reason not to think that they're doing earth a favor by borging it. After all, cyborgs don't give a poo poo about polluted oceans or smog. And the purity guys have no way of knowing that the plane is sentient; it's just another rock to them. Harmony is objectively the best. Everyone knows this.
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May 12, 2014 12:14
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Is the planet sentient? I thought that was SMAC, not BE?
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May 12, 2014 12:49
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Darkrenown posted:Is the planet sentient? I thought that was SMAC, not BE? Yeah I've read nothing that indicates this is going to be like Planet from SMAC Edit: Oh yeah it's on the last page of that PC gamer bit, veeery end. Huh. So I guess we are having a more direct nod to SMAC for Harmony players at least 
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May 12, 2014 12:58
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I like the idea of the three branches going a bit too far, that was also a theme in SMAC, in the little text blurps when Miriam was vehemently against nanites and sentient machines. The self-aware colony project especially was a dystopian future where AI's control and monitor every aspect of human life which goes very well with supremacy.
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May 12, 2014 13:45
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Speaking of going too far, how about that Xeno Titan huh? Harmony gets to build Godzilla 
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May 12, 2014 13:51
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Captain Oblivious posted:Speaking of going too far, how about that Xeno Titan huh? Harmony gets to build Godzilla If Supremacy or Purity don't get equivalent giant death robots so they can duke it out over the suburbs of Neo-Tokyo there will be hell to pay. 
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May 12, 2014 13:57
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Bloodly posted:gently caress that. The whole reason we're doing this is because we killed our homeworld. We are responsible for that. It's time we stopped being human if that's what being human leads to. Look at this loving nerd 
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May 12, 2014 16:24
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Chonchon posted:Harmony is objectively the best. Everyone knows this. Harmony had the prettiest boat concept art, ergo it is the superior faction in all aspects. if alien wildlife behaves like barbarians I'm guessing friendly alien wildlife won't try to attack my trade routes either, which is a big plus.
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May 12, 2014 17:33
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I don't know about you but I'm either turning everyone into cyborgs or taming sandworms.
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May 12, 2014 17:40
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I hope this game is broken on release and they make us wait two years and charge us $40 for the final completion of the game through DLC.
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May 12, 2014 17:40
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Speedball posted:I don't know about you but I'm either turning everyone into cyborgs or taming sandworms. Pretty much. Purity is a boring path for boring people who make boring life choices
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May 12, 2014 17:48
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Captain Oblivious posted:Pretty much. Purity is a boring path for boring people who make boring life choices Emphasis on people, cybermutant. I really hope the late game goes at least as off the rails as SMAC, which managed to have you going "man, maybe Miriam had a point" at times.
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May 12, 2014 17:51
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If a man is tired of bigass guns, flying megafortresses, and spreading the glory of Terra across the cosmos, then he is tired of life.
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May 12, 2014 17:51
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Speedball posted:I don't know about you but I'm either turning everyone into cyborgs or taming sandworms. Why not both?
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May 12, 2014 17:52
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Think of the rear end in a top hat things our dear leaders have pulled over the years to other humans and the planet. Can Purity assure that that level of crazy, that raw abuse of power to screw over EVERYTHING for their own short-term benefit cannot happen? It's a question for all the factions, really but Purity all the more since it hopes to preserve Humanity 'as is' rather than adapting. I really hope that there is 'hope' in Beyond Earth. Dystopia is not something I'm particularly looking for in my gaming. I hope the three factions will be light, not dark.
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May 12, 2014 17:55
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Prav posted:Emphasis on people, cybermutant.
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May 12, 2014 17:56
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Bloodly posted:Think of the rear end in a top hat things our dear leaders have pulled over the years to other humans and the planet. Can Purity assure that that level of crazy, that raw abuse of power to screw over EVERYTHING for their own short-term benefit cannot happen? It's a question for all the factions, really but Purity all the more since it hopes to preserve Humanity 'as is' rather than adapting. You really can't have futurism without being SOMEBODY'S dystopia. The cyborg collective consciousness is one transhumanist's dream, another man's nightmare. They've already talked about how the Supremacy ending involves you assimilating the poo poo out of the ruins of Earth so...yeah. There's gonna be dark.
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May 12, 2014 17:58
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To hell with traditionalist worriers, we build our own gods 
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May 12, 2014 18:14
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I want something better than the Self-Aware Colony. Sapient Internet. Yes, quite a lot of it is nonsensical so the thing talks like Freakazoid, but it's also the smartest being in the universe!
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May 12, 2014 18:17
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quote:Beware, you who seek first and final principles, for you are trampling the garden of an angry God and he awaits you just beyond the last theorem. I really liked how as the game progressed, things got more and more disturbing, and the player begins to think "My God, Miriam was right!!  " I do hope that some of the dark atmosphere of SMAC is reimagined in BE, but I recall that in an interview they wanted a more positive outlook.
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May 12, 2014 18:24
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"You've turned the planet into Cybertron! Worse, it's Michael Bay Cybertron!!! AHHH!"
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DrSunshine posted:I really liked how as the game progressed, things got more and more disturbing, and the player begins to think "My God, Miriam was right!! "Some civilians got in among the research subjects, and became so hysterical I felt compelled to have them all nerve-stapled..."
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Speedball posted:I don't know about you but I'm either turning everyone into cyborgs or taming sandworms. See, I'm hoping there will be just enough flexibility between the affinities for cyborg sandworms.
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May 12, 2014 19:31
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Cyborg sandworms with huge guns, surely?
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May 12, 2014 19:43
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Captain Oblivious posted:You really can't have futurism without being SOMEBODY'S dystopia. The cyborg collective consciousness is one transhumanist's dream, another man's nightmare. Except for the small fact that they've repeatedly stated in interviews that Beyond Earth is going to be an optimistic look at the future, not a dystopian critique of transhumanism. One interview explicitly said that Supremacy is not evil robots taking over, it's humanity evolving past the need for organic bodies and becoming something better, something more.
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May 12, 2014 19:55
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Prav posted:Cyborg sandworms with huge guns, surely? Cythereal posted:One interview explicitly said that Supremacy is not evil robots taking over, it's humanity evolving past the need for organic bodies and becoming something better, something more. Another explicitly calls them Borg.
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Cythereal posted:Except for the small fact that they've repeatedly stated in interviews that Beyond Earth is going to be an optimistic look at the future, not a dystopian critique of transhumanism. One interview explicitly said that Supremacy is not evil robots taking over, it's humanity evolving past the need for organic bodies and becoming something better, something more. Will Miller posted:The Purity and Supremacy victories are sort of two ends of the same coin. In the game, about halfway through... you re-establish contact from Earth. You kind of left it in a nebulous space; you're not really sure what happened. About that time, you've also researched the technology to build a warp gate. So for the Purity player, you build a warp gate and bring settlers from Earth to the new world, and you have to protect them, settle a certain number of them, find space for them. There's a territorial problem you have to work out, which obviously causes conflict. That's one of your real-life conflicts today—that's the Israeli/Palestinian conflict right there. The flipside of that is what we call the Emancipation victory. That's the Supremacy victory where you build the warp gate to send troops through it to conquer Earth. So you have to sacrifice a huge chunk of your army to feed the warp gate while you're protecting yourself and protecting it. Source, although it's just a wiki-type website that's compiled a bunch of info on the game. It cites a bunch of interviews at the bottom of the page but doesn't say which quotes come from which ones. I guess the friendly cyborg player would go for the first contact victory instead 
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Red Bones posted:Source, although it's just a wiki-type website that's compiled a bunch of info on the game. It cites a bunch of interviews at the bottom of the page but doesn't say which quotes come from which ones. For an optimistic outlook that sounds pretty loving grim.
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Kurtofan posted:For an optimistic outlook that sounds pretty loving grim. It's not oppression, it is liberation. Liberation of mankind from weak flesh and into the shiny steel bosom of the machine.
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Chonchon posted:It's not oppression, it is liberation. Liberation of mankind from weak flesh and into the shiny steel bosom of the machine.
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Chonchon posted:It's not oppression, it is liberation. Liberation of mankind from weak flesh and into the shiny steel bosom of the machine. I for one welcome our robotic overlords.
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Depending on what condition Earth is in when the Supremacists return, upgrading everyone's bodies into clouds of nanoparticles - something one interview said is the end state of that line of research - might genuinely be welcomed by the people as salvation. This victory condition has, note, been consistently referred to by the developers as the Liberation victory.
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Cythereal posted:Depending on what condition Earth is in when the Supremacists return, upgrading everyone's bodies into clouds of nanoparticles - something one interview said is the end state of that line of research - might genuinely be welcomed by the people as salvation. This victory condition has, note, been consistently referred to by the developers as the Liberation victory. Why can't I just go back to Earth with a Marshall Plan? 
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May 12, 2014 21:11
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Of course it's a liberation. You can trust us. We are here to help you.
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May 12, 2014 21:12
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Prav posted:Of course it's a liberation. You can trust us. We are here to help you. ... I just noticed that the Skynet killbots have super-realistic teeth. Why do killbots need realistic teeth?
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May 12, 2014 21:14
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If earth's a polluted hellhole then yeah, becoming robots might actually be very preferable than swimming in moats of toxic goo and fighting off radscorpions and kicking zombies in the head.
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quote:So you have to sacrifice a huge chunk of your army to feed the warp gate while you're protecting yourself and protecting it. I don't understand why you'd have to sacrifice a part of your army. Does the warp gate run on soylent green?
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Cythereal posted:Depending on what condition Earth is in when the Supremacists return, upgrading everyone's bodies into clouds of nanoparticles - something one interview said is the end state of that line of research - might genuinely be welcomed by the people as salvation. This victory condition has, note, been consistently referred to by the developers as the Liberation victory. You're trying so hard it's adorable  Why then, do they explicitly state that it's sending troops through the Warp Gate to conquer Earth? You are forcing a form of "salvation" on people just own up to it. Even if Beyond Earth is more optimistic than SMAC (not a high bar), transhumanism is a non-starter for a lot of people. It will be dystopian no matter what you do so you might as well not wuss out from the harder questions. Kurtofan posted:I don't understand why you'd have to sacrifice a part of your army. Does the warp gate run on soylent green? Feed the gate as in send troops through to pacify Earth, by force, during which they will be unavailable to help you.
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