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I think, losing the durability/heat gauge and replacing it with simple HP was one of the dumber changes in WotS4. Swapping out "be careful with the sword" for "carry lots of lubricant" really didn't improve the pace, especially in big battles.
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Aaaaaah! Kaz, you didn't use Issen! It's great, you should use it! 
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May 16, 2014 12:15
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see Way of the Samurai is not a LONG game, but it's good that way, you can get endings in about an hour, but the fun is being an Immortal Time Looping Samurai searching for the true ending.
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May 16, 2014 12:25
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SelenicMartian posted:I think, losing the durability/heat gauge and replacing it with simple HP was one of the dumber changes in WotS4. Swapping out "be careful with the sword" for "carry lots of lubricant" really didn't improve the pace, especially in big battles. Number one bad change right there. You can make swords unbreakable but it's a loving grind unless you luck out and kill an invader and he's got an unbreakable on him.
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May 16, 2014 13:56
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Shima Honnou posted:Number one bad change right there. You can make swords unbreakable but it's a loving grind unless you luck out and kill an invader and he's got an unbreakable on him. better or worse than WoTS system of "Level the sword up to 50 and it's unbreakable"?
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May 16, 2014 14:14
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So I just realized this game is composed by the same man responsible for the Tenchu series. wowziez
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Onmi posted:better or worse than WoTS system of "Level the sword up to 50 and it's unbreakable"? Worse because gently caress having to break and repair a sword 100 times to make it unbreakable.
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May 16, 2014 15:46
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Shima Honnou posted:Worse because gently caress having to break and repair a sword 100 times to make it unbreakable. Wow yeah... In 3 you really just get one sword to 50, master Dual-Wielding because the moveset is independent of the swords, and forge the biggest poo poo-kicker blades that you can. And, if you're feeling particularly murderous, go kill 1000 guys with each blade (Easy Read: loving TEDIOUS doing the redemption missions, which you can bounce between easily with Ouka and Fujimori Clan) and give them the Bloodthirsty appraisal. My Unbreakable 300+ Attack swords will cleave through ALL EVIL. Of course to get some of the best parts you have to get your murder on, The mysterious green dude and the weasle ninja both have very good parts. and of course, you must be careful about weight, your swords must weigh 0 to be as fast as possible. And get them as much quality as possible. After that, it all depends on how loving crazy you are with the Save-Scumming, since you can use Random improvements to get +15 in Attack (and defense, but really attack is important) for each bit of quality. leading to a 180 boost with the parts I use, Plus Bloodthirsty is 280, plus the base sword components... all I'm saying is that while I did it once, never again.
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May 16, 2014 16:19
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What it sounds like you're saying is that your blade can cut through armor and still slice a tomato 
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May 16, 2014 18:49
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Neruz posted:What it sounds like you're saying is that your blade can cut through armor and still slice a tomato Well there's vegetable and fish cutting mini-games. In fact one of the best ways to level up swords is to do the Tuna mini-game.
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May 16, 2014 18:51
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RickVoid posted:Oh absolutely. There's enough real life examples of Military Commanders making incredibly stupid blunders that I see the need for it. I was just saying that I'd heard all these great things about the Art of War, and how it's a celebrated cultural piece, and then I pick it up and discover such great wisdom as "It's totally a bad idea to fight where the enemy wants you to fight, Bro. You should make the enemy fight where you want to fight." and "While we're on the topic of How To Win, we should probably talk about what you do when you lose. Because you might lose, and you should totally have a plan for that. Seriously, don't fight somewhere you don't have a line of retreat." It's important to remember that you are viewing this from an unprecedented level of education in Human history; Humans have only really been waging what could be described as 'War' for maybe a hundred thousand years and over the last ~4000 or so (and especially during the last 500) of those years War has changed dramatically and extremely quickly. To us with our vast reserves of human knowledge built up over four thousand years and digitized to be available at a moment's notice and our years of early life where we literally need to do nothing more than exist and soak up knowledge instead of worrying about important poo poo it seems like these things are just basic common sense. But they're only common sense if you're in that position; if you don't have those years of schooling, if you lack the knowledge base of history then those things aren't common sense at all. Remember that for the vast majority of human history 'wars' were fought primarily between roaming tribal groups and primarily compromised standing opposite and screaming at each other for a bit followed by a brief but brutal melee before one side got scared and ran away. We had been fighting like that for tens of thousands of years and that is the kind of fight our instincts tell us we should persue, that's the kind of fight we want to have.
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Shima Honnou posted:Number one bad change right there. You can make swords unbreakable but it's a loving grind unless you luck out and kill an invader and he's got an unbreakable on him. Why would you loving bother? There're way better titles in 4 (the best one is bugged, unfortunately), and there's an item which makes your sword indestructible for five minutes anyway.
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May 16, 2014 21:13
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RickVoid posted:I think I understand Sun Tzu a bit more. Thinking about it, and how it's written (as though he's communicating these concepts to a child), I wonder how his contemporaries reacted to it? Was he respected enough that other commanders only grumbled a bit but took the lessons to heart; or was he marginalized for his non-traditional approach to warfare? People like that typically aren't appreciated in their own time.
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May 17, 2014 00:08
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My uncle did. He's a really cool guy, works at Nintendo.
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Anime Reference posted:Sun Tzu didn't have contemporaries because he didn't exist; unfortunately, we don't know who actually did write The Art of War or when. Just curious, do you have a source for that? Everything I can find says that we have documents written by Sun Tzu, but we're unable to properly date them.
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May 17, 2014 00:39
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Suspicious Dish posted:Just curious, do you have a source for that? Everything I can find says that we have documents written by Sun Tzu, but we're unable to properly date them. Samuel B. Griffith, in the essays that preface his translation (you have to put a lot of filler in an edition of The Art of War since the actual text is like 60 pages long tops.) To be fair he doesn't actually claim that Sun Tzu didn't exist but he does present some pretty compelling evidence both from history and from the text itself that it was actually written several hundred years after the traditional date.
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May 17, 2014 01:07
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Anime Reference posted:Samuel B. Griffith, in the essays that preface his translation (you have to put a lot of filler in an edition of The Art of War since the actual text is like 60 pages long tops.) To be fair he doesn't actually claim that Sun Tzu didn't exist but he does present some pretty compelling evidence both from history and from the text itself that it was actually written several hundred years after the traditional date. Isn't there a similar thing with Lao-tzu?
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RickVoid posted:Oh absolutely. There's enough real life examples of Military Commanders making incredibly stupid blunders that I see the need for it. I was just saying that I'd heard all these great things about the Art of War, and how it's a celebrated cultural piece, and then I pick it up and discover such great wisdom as "It's totally a bad idea to fight where the enemy wants you to fight, Bro. You should make the enemy fight where you want to fight." and "While we're on the topic of How To Win, we should probably talk about what you do when you lose. Because you might lose, and you should totally have a plan for that. Seriously, don't fight somewhere you don't have a line of retreat." I don't think that we, today, fully appreciate just how much we do know about military tactics and strategy. I remember in one of the threads discussing WWII the story of how a veteran in the UK was alarmed when he read some of his kids' Warhammer 40k rules because they talked about actual tactics. That sounds silly, right? 40k isn't anything like a realistic simulation. But for prior generations, they didn't even necessarily know the terminology and concepts of things like flanking, cover, morale, or artillery support in any codified way. Hell, many conscripts in earlier European/American wars didn't even know how firearms worked unless they had a background that involved hunting - and I'm not talking the technical elements (I've certainly never fired a gun), I'm talking about the basic concept of what they do when you point them and pull the trigger. In the internet age, and particularly with gaming, we're constantly bombarded by concepts that - even if inaccurate! - get the general point across. So yeah, an awful lot of historical writing (and not just about warfare) read as incredibly basic today.
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It is very, very easy if you are in a position of wealth to forget just how utterly and completely internet access revolutionizes human communications and knowledge. Nothing like it has ever existed before in the history of forever.
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It's also worth noting that these seminal works are not necessarily notable for their timeless wisdom, but because they are historically significant. Journey to the West isn't a timeless story that anyone can relate to. It's a good story, but you can read better ones today. What's notable is that Journey to the West is one of the first epic-scale fiction tales that was written down and distributed.
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May 17, 2014 20:33
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And, you know, the history of introducing Buddhism to east Asia. Edit: and it wasn't written down.
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Journey to the West is still a drat good story. What other story has a primal creature announce himself greater than heaven and then piss on the Buddhas hands?
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Anyone who doesn't think the Monkey King was a great character is objectively wrong.
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Coolguye posted:Anyone who doesn't think the Monkey King was a great character is objectively wrong. Sun Wukong remains one of the best characters ever created in fiction.
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May 17, 2014 21:30
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Coolguye posted:Anyone who doesn't think the Monkey King was a great character is objectively wrong. Which is why you should always play him in Warriors Orochi.
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Calax posted:Which is why you should always play him in Warriors Orochi. sure, whenever you're not playing as Nobunaga.
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Calax posted:Which is why you should always play him in Warriors Orochi. Warriors Orochi Sun Wukong was such an rear end in a top hat with his amazing moveset. but Wukong versus Lu Bu versus Yoshitune was kind of amazing.
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If the Akamdama clan wasn't good enough to defeat the government, maybe the Kurou family will be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hd0sjWHiIA
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Thanks everybody for the good discussion so far. Time for me to answer some of your questions.Neruz posted:Oh my god, Kaz please tell me you are playing the entire series I need to see this. So way am I doing the whole series. I'll see how I feel about things and maybe do 2. I'm willing to open up the thread to other submissions if anyone else wants to elpee the later titles. It would be my first megathread and I want to try that out. ProfessorBooty posted:I wanted to do a LP of this game years ago, but had enough of dealing with interlacing. I'm pretty happy to see someone picking it up though. I have a plan for ten recordings, some of those are flexible. If you have something you want to see done in the game, I'm open to suggestions. Mr. Maltose posted:This is kind of a weird question, but is there any particular reason you're using the Victor Harris translation beyond it being easily available on Archive.org? No reason at all! I do not own a physical copy of that book, so I needed to find another source, and why not use the one I can hyperlink people to?
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My Name Is Kaz posted:I have a plan for ten recordings, some of those are flexible. If you have something you want to see done in the game, I'm open to suggestions. Oh, my challenge would be pretty difficult. Hard mode, starting sword (no upgrades or unlocked moves), any ending other than death or leaving the pass. You may upgrade the sword in any way during the game with the exception of using the 'Nothing in Particular' option. I've beaten the game like this before and I found it to be a pretty good challenge, but its extremely difficult as you can imagine. If you only plan on ten videos then I understand if you don't want to try this out.
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Shiretoko is not quite a battle wizard, he has yet to use any lasers. (You owe it to yourself to look up what Battle Wizard is and then open palm slam it into your brain every day) Gnomebitten fucked around with this message at 01:12 on May 19, 2014 |
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ProfessorBooty posted:Oh, my challenge would be pretty difficult. Hard mode, starting sword (no upgrades or unlocked moves), any ending other than death or leaving the pass. You may upgrade the sword in any way during the game with the exception of using the 'Nothing in Particular' option. The last time I attempted this challenge I was after a specific weapon, and almost made it. I should do this just to show how hard it is, methinks. Quest accepted.
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My Name Is Kaz posted:So way am I doing the whole series. I'll see how I feel about things and maybe do 2. I'm willing to open up the thread to other submissions if anyone else wants to elpee the later titles. It would be my first megathread and I want to try that out. Would it be a stricly Samurai megathread or would the Shinobido games be fair game as well?
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Akujiki posted:Would it be a stricly Samurai megathread or would the Shinobido games be fair game as well?
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SelenicMartian posted:The original Shinobido would be massive itself. Would that make this a supermegathread? Or perhaps a gigathread?
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Gnomebitten posted:Shiretoko is not quite a battle wizard, he has yet to use any lasers. Yeah, Shiretoko's pretty strong but he's neither a demi-god or a semi-devil.
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Won't someone please think of the children? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDHwJ1McRDk
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"You have bested my baby boy in battle. Here is 50 yen."
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I just wanted to bring up somehting that Kaz mentioned in the last video that I really liked about this game specifically; enemies (Named enemies, that is, not the generics) all have different fighting inclinations. I'm sorry Kaz hasn't fought Tsubohachi yet, because if you've seen him fight, the difference between him and Shiretoko is night and goddamned day. Shiretoko is pretty composed, often keeping his distance and using longer range moves to whittle you down. When he does move into close range, he's quick to guard and often tries to parry (pull) you. Conversely, Tsubohachi is aggressive (this is compounded by his sword's lack of any really long range attacks), getting in close to use his more powerful close range moves, guarding far less often and almost never parrying, instead trying to overpower your guard (pushing). The other characters are all similarly unique in their approach to combat, but most people probably recognize it in Tsubohachi first, because the game gives you a lot of opportunities to fight him. Keeshhound fucked around with this message at 22:54 on May 20, 2014 |
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Not you, the pieces.
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