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Zanzibar Ham
Mar 17, 2009

You giving me the cold shoulder? How cruel.


Grimey Drawer
Did that one wolf carry a repair kit?

:psyduck:

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Alavaria
Apr 3, 2009
Seeing that fateweaver freaking out about how he couldn't properly see your fate :smugdog:

I take it those fae you killed in front of him won't be coming back...


Also, gotta make a Persona3 Nyx reference before someone else does.

Alavaria fucked around with this message at 12:48 on May 20, 2014

Koorisch
Mar 29, 2009
I can't wait until you get some of the other weapon-types because some of them are quite fun to use!

Zain
Dec 6, 2009

It's only forever, not long at all
One thing I noticed in this video and it might just be the area you came into. It's a lot more chug than anything else. It's hard on the eyes to actually watch it or maybe that's just how the combat now goes.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Alavaria posted:

Seeing that fateweaver freaking out about how he couldn't properly see your fate :smugdog:

I take it those fae you killed in front of him won't be coming back...


Also, gotta make a Persona3 Nyx reference before someone else does.

It's nice to be acknowledged for the fate eating, reanimated-in-a-magically-created golem abomination that you are. It's a bit of a power trip for you to be something completely impossible with people reacting in an appropriate way.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Geostomp posted:

It's nice to be acknowledged for the fate eating, reanimated-in-a-magically-created golem abomination that you are. It's a bit of a power trip for you to be something completely impossible with people reacting in an appropriate way.

This continues throughout the entire game too; characters are constantly flipping the gently caress out over the fact that the PC is unbound by fate. Even the effective Gods of the setting are more than a little perturbed (or in some cases rampantly opportunistic) when they realise what's going on with you.

It's done very well and the whole thing about you being fateless is of course a vital story element.

Koorisch posted:

I can't wait until you get some of the other weapon-types because some of them are quite fun to use!

Giant hammers are the best :fuckoff:

Flytrap
Apr 30, 2013
I really fukken love this game and THIS

Neruz posted:

This continues throughout the entire game too; characters are constantly flipping the gently caress out over the fact that the PC is unbound by fate. Even the effective Gods of the setting are more than a little perturbed (or in some cases rampantly opportunistic) when they realise what's going on with you.

It's done very well and the whole thing about you being fateless is of course a vital story element.

is one of the reasons why. In most other games there's very little recognition that you're essentially Death incarnate. Here? A number of your enemies are going to flip their poo poo at the prospect of facing you.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Flytrap posted:

A number of your enemies are going to flip their poo poo at the prospect of facing you.

That's really what hooked me when I played the demo (after seeing Supergreatfriend's Demo Friend of it). Really glad I found out about it, it got me back into CRPGs after burning out on EA-era Bioware.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness
Especially later on after word about you gets around there are a number of bosses who just completely freak out and break down upon realising you've come for them. And of course there is an endless stream of guys who are all "Haha you can't beat me I am fated to defeat yo- oh gently caress ow that hurts aagh"

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.

Zain posted:

One thing I noticed in this video and it might just be the area you came into. It's a lot more chug than anything else. It's hard on the eyes to actually watch it or maybe that's just how the combat now goes.

I went back through and scanned through the source video really quick, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say you see "more chug." I'd be glad to fix anything wrong with the video, so please let me know what you're seeing and where it is you're seeing it!

jaydee864
Aug 15, 2010

Life is such a drag when the whole world's falling apart

SourceElement posted:

I went back through and scanned through the source video really quick, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say you see "more chug." I'd be glad to fix anything wrong with the video, so please let me know what you're seeing and where it is you're seeing it!

I believe he meant that the framerate seemed to drop noticeably when you left the tutorial cave and weren't in a conversation. At least, that's what I saw when I watched the video. If it wasn't an issue with the source video, then maybe something happened with the encode or when Youtube processed it.

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.
Looking again, the framerate drop is in the source video, but there's not a whole lot I can do about it.

When we transitioned from Allestar Tower to the outside world, the game loaded every zone in Dalentarth. The only discrete load points in the game are for dungeons and between major areas (the forest, the plains, the desert, etc). Otherwise, it's all a gigantic open space.

Alavaria
Apr 3, 2009

Neruz posted:

Especially later on after word about you gets around there are a number of bosses who just completely freak out and break down upon realising you've come for them. And of course there is an endless stream of guys who are all "Haha you can't beat me I am fated to defeat yo- oh gently caress ow that hurts aagh"
Attack bonus vs Plot Armor, no more looking for loopholes in "no man may kill me" etc, just straight up "nope, die"

"You just changed the way the world is supposed to work" indeed :v:

Alavaria fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 21, 2014

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Alavaria posted:

Attack bonus vs Plot Armor, no more looking for loopholes in "no man may kill me" etc, just straight up "nope, die"

"You just changed the way the world is supposed to work" indeed :v:

"Fate doesn't know I exist, what can't I do?"

I don't think the game ever suggests that there is a being weaving the tapestry of fate, but if there is by the end of the game that being has to be seriously pissed off.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

A lot of the sidequests in this game are pretty rote fantasy fare, but in the (hypothetical, non-existent) sequel it'd be interesting if, due to you mucking up fate SO MUCH, that suddenly they hire better writers and all the sidequests get a lot wilder.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Speedball posted:

A lot of the sidequests in this game are pretty rote fantasy fare, but in the (hypothetical, non-existent) sequel it'd be interesting if, due to you mucking up fate SO MUCH, that suddenly they hire better writers and all the sidequests get a lot wilder.

The ultimate effect of the PC on the tapestry of fate by the end of the game can best be summed up as 'setting it on fire'

Putty
Mar 21, 2013

HOOKED ON THE BROTHERS

Speedball posted:

A lot of the sidequests in this game are pretty rote fantasy fare, but in the (hypothetical, non-existent) sequel it'd be interesting if, due to you mucking up fate SO MUCH, that suddenly they hire better writers and all the sidequests get a lot wilder.

i think 30% of all the quests in this game are "find my friend please oh wait he's dead"

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Putty posted:

i think 30% of all the quests in this game are "find my friend please oh wait he's dead"

There are a lot of NPCs in Amalur who wander off into the ovbiously unsafe wilds peppered with groups of omnicidally hostile monstrosities every 15 - 20 meters and expect to survive their journey.

In fact one of the running themes of Amalur seems to be that everyone who isn't the player is an idiot. There are a few exceptions to this but they are mostly notable plot characters so it's not that surprising that they're slightly more competent.

Drachir D Nalem
Aug 14, 2012
Must be their fate to be morons. Another benefit of being disconnected from it all.

Alavaria
Apr 3, 2009

Neruz posted:

I don't think the game ever suggests that there is a being weaving the tapestry of fate, but if there is by the end of the game that being has to be seriously pissed off.
It probably has no idea you're even there.

Just a sense of "why is everything on FIRE :supaburn: This wasn't supposed to happen!!"

Drachir D Nalem posted:

Must be their fate to be morons. Another benefit of being disconnected from it all.
We could've saved them... but we were too late :v:

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

Neruz posted:

Giant hammers are the best :fuckoff:

Keep your hammers, one certain mage weapons does all but force the game to admit you aren't playing fair anymore. I want to see more games with mages using weapons like that instead of just staffs or books.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Alavaria posted:

It probably has no idea you're even there.

Just a sense of "why is everything on FIRE :supaburn: This wasn't supposed to happen!!"

Yeah from the perspective of the tapestry threads are just suddenly being severed for no apparant reason.

Geostomp posted:

Keep your hammers, one certain mage weapons does all but force the game to admit you aren't playing fair anymore. I want to see more games with mages using weapons like that instead of just staffs or books.

If you mean the mage\rogue weapon that is extremely improbable and extremely cool and shows up often in video games as an exotic weapon then yeah those are pretty great. You can pick up a number of super awesome unique ones too, especially one of the DLCs has some amazing ones for you to find.

Sneaky Fast
Apr 24, 2013

How big is the playable area in this game?

Is the density of enemies a remnant of the developers MMO aspirations?

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Sneaky Fast posted:

How big is the playable area in this game?

loving huge.


You could easily just add multiplayer to Amalur and you would just have an MMO. Yahtzee said it best when he reviewed KoA: It's a single player MMORPG. It's a fun single player MMORPG but not everyone enjoys that kind of game.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I made a fascinating discovery! A pure mage build is hella fun! You are REALLY squishy, but if you time everything right, none of your enemies should even get near you. And if they do, you have spells for that! It requires you to game the ability point system, so making one from scratch isn't a good idea.

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007

SSNeoman posted:

I made a fascinating discovery! A pure mage build is hella fun! You are REALLY squishy, but if you time everything right, none of your enemies should even get near you. And if they do, you have spells for that! It requires you to game the ability point system, so making one from scratch isn't a good idea.
I have to agree there. For all it's faults, Kingdom of Amalur really makes playing a Mage fun.

Out of curiosity, around what level do you reallocate your points and what skills are you focusing on as a pure Mage?

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

My OCD-ness keeps making me play as a Generalist when I crack open this game. The extra non-combat skills you get let you do EVERYTHING!

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

SSNeoman posted:

I made a fascinating discovery! A pure mage build is hella fun! You are REALLY squishy, but if you time everything right, none of your enemies should even get near you. And if they do, you have spells for that! It requires you to game the ability point system, so making one from scratch isn't a good idea.

I basically got there by accident on my first play, and meteor strike one-shotting nearly everyone got really useful near the end (and in post-game).

Flytrap
Apr 30, 2013

SSNeoman posted:

I made a fascinating discovery! A pure mage build is hella fun! You are REALLY squishy, but if you time everything right, none of your enemies should even get near you. And if they do, you have spells for that! It requires you to game the ability point system, so making one from scratch isn't a good idea.

God I love magic in this game. I hate mages in just about every game ever but here they feel so badass. Instead of standing across the map and throwing different flavors of magic missile you get an assortment of shotguns.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

Flytrap posted:

God I love magic in this game. I hate mages in just about every game ever but here they feel so badass. Instead of standing across the map and throwing different flavors of magic missile you get an assortment of shotguns.

Hell even their staff is a shotgun.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

This game rules. The combat is fun, the whole reaction to you being fateless is great, it's a shame Schilling is an rear end in a top hat and they shoveled money into a hole

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007

ZenVulgarity posted:

This game rules. The combat is fun, the whole reaction to you being fateless is great, it's a shame Schilling is an rear end in a top hat and they shoveled money into a hole
Indeed, I'm a giant whore for action RPG's so the fact that this game bombed along the developer was a drat shame.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Sylphosaurus posted:

I have to agree there. For all it's faults, Kingdom of Amalur really makes playing a Mage fun.

Out of curiosity, around what level do you reallocate your points and what skills are you focusing on as a pure Mage?

At about level 25.

I mostly go for pure spellcasting and no weapon skills. That means I get the entire thunder line, the entire fire line, mana shield (don't max out the sprites and skills, their physical attack power is iffy and plateaus quickly and their long range moves are a bit naff. I mostly get these for novelty) and healing. The Faer Gota is actually really good cause he has decent attack power and can steal health pretty reliably. One combo from him is enough to get you to full health. The triple-element attack is pretty disappointing. It looks cool, but doesn't do a lot of damage. The ice tree's projectile is pretty alright, but the cyclone has wonky hit detection. Oh and obviously get the thing that reduces mana costs. If you wanna get weapons, I prefer staves and chackrams. Hope you can find a good talisman.

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer
Okay, now I am kinda interested. The game looks bland as hell, but apparently you can use chakrams? And they don't suck? Is a throwing weapon specialist character viable? Because that's one thing I'm missing in just about every RPG since Morrowind.
I might this game is what I'm saying.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

anilEhilated posted:

Okay, now I am kinda interested. The game looks bland as hell, but apparently you can use chakrams? And they don't suck? Is a throwing weapon specialist character viable? Because that's one thing I'm missing in just about every RPG since Morrowind.
I might this game is what I'm saying.

Not only do they not suck, they're one of the best weapons in the entire game.

Neruz
Jul 23, 2012

A paragon of manliness

Speedball posted:

Not only do they not suck, they're one of the best weapons in the entire game.

They're basically a melee weapon with range and it is amazing.

gschmidl
Sep 3, 2011

watch with knife hands

Neruz posted:

They're basically a melee weapon with range and it is amazing.

Especially once you get the combos going. It's slice-and-dice time!

DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.
It's at least three more videos out, but I'm gonna dedicate an entire episode to those things. They are insanely awesome and were what I used for pretty much the entirety of my first playthrough.

New video will be up in the next day or two. But no matter that. If you're in the United States, you don't need to be in today anyway. You need to be outdoors eating grill charred meat! Happy Memorial Day

Glenn_Beckett
Sep 13, 2008

When I see a 9/11 victim family on television I'm just like 'Given the existence as uttered forth in the public works of Puncher and Wattmann of a personal God quaquaqua'
A friend of mine worked on this game. God rest his soul.

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DoubleNegative
Jan 27, 2010

The most virtuous child in the entire world.
New videos are coming Very Soon!

Also while recording commentary for the next video, we decided that because there was so much talking to NPCs, and because all the conversations were so close together, that voiced commentary just wouldn't work. The NPCs wouldn't let us get a word in edgewise!

And so, have a teaser for the next video! Also accidental TweetDeck popup.



The next video will not be done in Comic Sans MS

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