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In the alternative universe where the other team advances, who will win the NBA title This poll is closed. |
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10 | 4.55% |
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64 | 29.09% |
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104 | 47.27% |
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Was the early 2000s really that bad for basketball pace? I guess all I remember is Shaq and Vince Carter dunks plus AI crossovers. Was pretty fun for me, anyway. But then, I ignored the Eastern Conference for the most part. I think that was key.
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May 17, 2014 21:58
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If you guys don't see the comedy value in a team that's played as terribly in these playoffs as Indiana winning the whole thing, I don't know what to tell you.
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May 17, 2014 22:04
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I watched the early 2000s Pistons so I sort of get liking to watch a really slow and terrible offense, but the Pacers don't even move the ball. It's the worst possible slow terrible offense.
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May 17, 2014 22:07
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Probably Magic posted:Was the early 2000s really that bad for basketball pace? Yes Also you didn't watch the east but two of the three guys you mentioned played in the east (and Iverson was not actually fun to watch outside of highlight form and I will fight about this)
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May 17, 2014 22:16
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And I remember rooting for Detroit the year they won too, so I must be being disingenuous with myself. And I'll grant you the Iverson thing, when he was in a clunking mood, he was really in a clunking mood, like Westbrook on an off-night but worse.
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May 17, 2014 22:23
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Poor Mark, forced to take yet another part time job to keep his ministry afloat.
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May 17, 2014 22:36
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Do we really need three dang announcers for the games
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May 17, 2014 22:36
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Probably Magic posted:Was the early 2000s really that bad for basketball pace? I guess all I remember is Shaq and Vince Carter dunks plus AI crossovers. Was pretty fun for me, anyway. But then, I ignored the Eastern Conference for the most part. I think that was key. The late 90s and early 2000s were the slowest pace in NBA history since the introduction of the shotclock, and not that much faster than the pre-shotclock era,
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May 17, 2014 22:37
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MourningView posted:Yes Allen Iverson driving to the hoop is not unlike a Werner Herzog film if you think about it Halfling Wizard Bear posted:Poor Mark, forced to take yet another part time job to keep his ministry afloat. Inflation is out of control, as indicated by the rising price of stripper payoffs
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May 17, 2014 22:37
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Sorry for all the idiotic reflections, I just don't like confronting the fact that the basketball era I was introduced to and really enjoyed was some really boring-rear end basketball. 
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May 17, 2014 22:52
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Probably Magic posted:Was the early 2000s really that bad for basketball pace? I guess all I remember is Shaq and Vince Carter dunks plus AI crossovers. Was pretty fun for me, anyway. But then, I ignored the Eastern Conference for the most part. I think that was key. The slowest years: code:Even if you go back in the SA archives you can find many posts espousing this mindset. The other issue is the defense of many of the best teams was aggravating and a far cry from the great offensive teams: 1984-85 LAL 1981-82 DEN 1987-88 BOS 2006-07 PHO 2007-08 PHO 2009-10 PHO 1994-95 UTA 1986-87 LAL 2008-09 PHO 2013-14 MIA JesusSinfulHands posted:Ric loving Bucher stirred up poo poo yesterday by getting quotes from a Warriors player off the record saying the silence from the Dubs players on the Kerr hiring was intentional: Mark Jackson was probably running the team like a religious cult so the team will need some time to be debriefed and acclimate to a non-religious setting after Jackson's abrupt defrocking.
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May 17, 2014 22:53
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Zogo posted:Mark Jackson was probably running the team like a religious cult so the team will need some time to be debriefed and acclimate to a non-religious setting after Jackson's abrupt defrocking. Honestly, everything we've said and debated about up until this point can just be summed up by this. This is absolutely true.
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May 17, 2014 22:58
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I'd never heard anyone say the Spurs or Lakers were teams that were getting Hakeem and Jordan leftovers. This seems like something Chicago Bulls Fan Zogo is making up or remembering from early Bulls blogs or something. That label was attached to some individual guys like Ewing, Barkley, Malone, etc but it wasn't like the Bulls were beating the Spurs and the Lakers team they beat was from another era that the Bulls dethroned.
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May 17, 2014 23:05
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Rick posted:I'd never heard anyone say the Spurs or Lakers were teams that were getting Hakeem and Jordan leftovers. This seems like something Chicago Bulls Fan Zogo is making up or remembering from early Bulls blogs or something. Yeah, the Shaq Lakers were a fun team to watch. Even Kobe, a player I've hated since forever, was enjoyable. But those Spurs teams that won the titles were the worst.
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May 17, 2014 23:12
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Also Phil really needled the Spurs about their '99 Championship; it deserved to have an asterisk next to it because it was in a lockout-shortened season or something like that. I think he wasn't the only one who thought that too.
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May 17, 2014 23:14
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PantsFreeZone posted:Yeah, the Shaq Lakers were a fun team to watch. Even Kobe, a player I've hated since forever, was enjoyable. The Lakers were slow as gently caress and their offense was posting and reposting Shaq over and over again
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May 17, 2014 23:21
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Declan MacManus posted:The Lakers were slow as gently caress and their offense was posting and reposting Shaq over and over again
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May 17, 2014 23:22
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Declan MacManus posted:The Lakers were slow as gently caress and their offense was posting and reposting Shaq over and over again You're never going to make me feel bad for enjoying stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI85iVU3xkE
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May 17, 2014 23:26
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Probably Magic posted:You're never going to make me feel bad for enjoying stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI85iVU3xkE Not nearly as cool once you realize their feet got tangled up and that's why Robinson looks so out of sorts.
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May 17, 2014 23:37
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Probably Magic posted:You're never going to make me feel bad for enjoying stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI85iVU3xkE God I forgot how awful the 90's Spurs colors were.
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May 17, 2014 23:38
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Bashez posted:I wouldn't call it a nightmare, but Ibaka was definitely key in screwing up what the Spurs did. Ibaka is woefully underrated on these forums. Who's been underrating Ibaka? He's one of the best rim-protectors, shot-blockers/changers in the league, rebounds well, and can shoot as well as you could ask of a center/PF. I think the biggest criticism is Scott Brooks sucks at coaching and Ibaka isn't going to thrive trying to create his own shots. Vanilla Mint Ice posted:Well thats because he only gets to play during garbage time. Sometimes.  Here's Cope scoring 18 pts in 17 minutes on 7/8 shooting (no FTs) including the game winner against some amateur team that I believe has since folded https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLZx22L19p0
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May 17, 2014 23:42
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Crazy Ted posted:You say it like that was a bad thing. Kobe was exciting and Shaq was cool to watch in the post before everyone started fouling him all the time buuuuuuut who else on that team was worth watching
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May 17, 2014 23:46
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lmaoquote:
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2014/05/lance-stephenson-wants-dwyane-wade-knee-flare-up/
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May 17, 2014 23:48
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I bet a nice flight of stairs could cause Wade's knee to flare up, get on it Lance.
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May 17, 2014 23:50
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Yes say something like that, surely the refs won't be watching you like a hawk now. Although: Two Tone Shoes posted:I bet a nice flight of stairs could cause Wade's knee to flare up, get on it Lance.
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May 17, 2014 23:51
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Crazy Ted posted:Also Phil really needed the Spurs about their '99 Championship; it deserved to have an asterisk next to it because it was in a lockout-shortened season or something like that. I think he wasn't the only one who thought that too. Phil was totally loving with the Spurs but idiots like Bill Simmons totally bought it. In his article about seasons that deserve asterisks it ranks in at number two. He's mentioned how the Spurs came in to the season still in shape because they work hard or something and everyone else was out of shape and blah blah blah. The Spurs started the year 6-8 and then played at a 70 win pace including the playoffs over the next 50 games and posted the second best playoff mark of all time. Pre back injury David Robinson and pre knee injury Tim Duncan were destroying teams, they swept the second best team that year (Blazers, who beat the third best, Utah). It's really about a convincing championship as you can get. He then goes on to not include 2000 in his asterisk championships despite the team that had just won the title having their best player out with knee surgery. The Asian Oprah posted:Who's been underrating Ibaka? He's one of the best rim-protectors, shot-blockers/changers in the league, rebounds well, and can shoot as well as you could ask of a center/PF. I think the biggest criticism is Scott Brooks sucks at coaching and Ibaka isn't going to thrive trying to create his own shots. People constantly call him overrated despite him being a total game changer defensively and one of the best spot up shooters in the league. People make "weak side" block jokes about him and say he's actually a poor/average defender and just blocks a lot of shots. I'm talking about people on SA.
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May 17, 2014 23:51
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Super excited that the Pacers are already talking a bunch of poo poo. Like Ethan J Skolnick says: The Pacers are like the kids screaming at their parents to watch them in playground. The Heat are checking their cellphones.
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May 17, 2014 23:53
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“I’ll do anything as much as possible.”
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May 17, 2014 23:57
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Really pulling for the Heat to sweep the poo poo out of the Pacers
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May 18, 2014 00:00
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The 2014 Heat have the highest eFG% in NBA/ABA history. When it comes to FG shooting they're the supreme team. When we talk about pace we usually mean the pace measurement on BBR but we can actually look at speed in MPH on the stats.nba.com site. I was curious to see how the two measurements compared. Compare 2014 team pace with team miles traveled: code:code:Bulls were 8th in miles run but 29th in pace. Vertical Lime posted:bob raissman @nydnraiss 4m  already? I was looking forward to seeing the series to see if they let the Pacers absolutely maul the Heat again like last year. Roy Hibbert starring at nine foot tall golem vs. LeBron James.WYA posted:Would a whole league of people who were Lebron James be more interesting than the current league where only one person is Lebron James? D LeBron James would shut down O LeBron James. How about a league of 500 Steve Nash's or 500 Kevin Durant's or 500 Mark Eaton's? I wonder if a defensive KD could stop an offensive KD on that 28 foot 3 point shot he does. Zogo fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 00:01
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Declan MacManus posted:Kobe was exciting and Shaq was cool to watch in the post before everyone started fouling him all the time buuuuuuut who else on that team was worth watching You of all people forgetting about Robert Horry.
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May 18, 2014 00:04
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Rick posted:I'd never heard anyone say the Spurs or Lakers were teams that were getting Hakeem and Jordan leftovers. This seems like something Chicago Bulls Fan Zogo is making up or remembering from early Bulls blogs or something. People still to this very day reminisce about MVP Robinson being defeated by Hakeem in the early 90s (and Shaq being embarrassed in the 95 finals). Then once Hakeem was ancient and Jordan was gone 33 year old Robinson with practically a rookie (Duncan) goes on to win a title. That team was seen as inferior by some. People at the time didn't know that Duncan would end up as one of the best ever. Maybe I am remembering a more local Chicago viewpoint rather than a national feeling (sports was probably more regionally insulated back then). If archives wasn't down it wouldn't be too hard to find SAS threads from ~2003 with lots of people insulting the current state of the NBA and its players. Again I'm not saying any of these views were correct but it's how many were thinking at the time.
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May 18, 2014 00:06
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Probably Magic posted:Sorry for all the idiotic reflections, I just don't like confronting the fact that the basketball era I was introduced to and really enjoyed was some really boring-rear end basketball. It's okay, I spent my formative basketball years going to Pistons games, which probably sounds terrible to outside observers. There's nothing as fun as being there for a team's rise to the top, even if they objectively play boring rear end basketball. I think that's why I like the Pacers and Grizzlies, even though the Pacers teams of that era were my most hated rival. EDIT: That rule also applies to actually fun teams like the Thunder and Warriors.
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May 18, 2014 00:09
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Declan MacManus posted:The Lakers were slow as gently caress and their offense was posting and reposting Shaq over and over again The Lakers posted up Shaq less often than they posted up Dwight Howard (and they certainly weren't slow last season) and played pretty uptempo otherwise. They were always middle of the road of pace and always 1-3 during the playoffs where playoff reffing made going into Shaq less viable.
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May 18, 2014 00:21
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rabidsquid posted:I watched the early 2000s Pistons so I sort of get liking to watch a really slow and terrible offense, but the Pacers don't even move the ball. It's the worst possible slow terrible offense. Detroit's offense was slow, but it wasn't terrible at all. Under Flip Saunders they were actually one of the more efficient offences iirc.
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May 18, 2014 00:26
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My evidence for early 2000s basketball being lovely is that at one point people seriously suggested that the East all star starters should just be the Pistons starting lineup and this idea was not immediately dismissed as idiotic.
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May 18, 2014 00:43
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I just watched the John Spano 30 for 30 and I kind of wonder if George Shinn was able to successfully pull off the scam Spano tried.
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May 18, 2014 00:47
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Rick posted:I just watched the John Spano 30 for 30 and I kind of wonder if George Shinn was able to successfully pull off the scam Spano tried.
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May 18, 2014 00:58
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MourningView posted:My evidence for early 2000s basketball being lovely is that at one point people seriously suggested that the East all star starters should just be the Pistons starting lineup and this idea was not immediately dismissed as idiotic.
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May 18, 2014 00:59
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 A small reminder to get your picks in before tomorrows game at http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3626259
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