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Fingers McLongDong posted:So here's my junk midrange list and GP trip report for those who were asking: Thanks, I'm working on Junk too and kind of want to rip most of this list off. Some brain-picking: --No maindeck discard? I feel like most Junk lists I see have a few discard spells in the main (TS or IoK), and in the case of TS you have more than enough ways of mitigating the life loss here. Meta call, or something you just never need by default? --I remember you asking about Thrun vs Sigarda in the main thread and had people telling you to run Sigarda. Why'd you go with Thrun, and were there times you wish you had Sigarda? --How relevant is the Exalted on Noble Hierarch? I have a grip of BoP already and am having trouble working up the nerve to get Hierarchs as they can only produce 2 relevant colors vs. 3 (also price tag). Feels like your deck could go wide pretty well, making Exalted not relevant as often. --Did Westvale Abbey actually do anything for you? Mr.Booger posted:This the right place to discuss "budget" jank Legacy decks I am building? If you want to play mono green in Legacy you might as well play 12Post, but there might be something to this idea. Maybe if you focus the design around quickly ramping into some lockdown effects (City of Solitude), then casting Tooth and Nail for Emrakul + Xenagos, God of Revels to kill in one swing. Which is I guess is akin to what 12Post wants to do, but with the extra step of lockdown effects.
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Trying to stay away from the usual green win-cons, no big stompy things, kill em with insects, squirrels, the odd acidic slime, basically whatever is handy while locking them down and killing their permanents. Here is what I have so far, gonna sleeve it up for a causal FNM and see how she goes: Sorcery (12) 1x Beacon of Creation 1x Biorhythm 2x Green Sun's Zenith 2x Kodama's Reach 2x Plow Under 1x Rude Awakening 3x Thermokarst Artifact (5) 1x Smokestack 2x Tangle Wire 2x Umbilicus Planeswalker (1) 1x Garruk Wildspeaker Creature (12) 2x Acidic Slime 1x Deranged Hermit 1x Dosan the Falling Leaf 3x Elvish Mystic 2x Eternal Witness 3x Sakura-Tribe Elder Enchantment (10) 2x City of Solitude 3x Hidden Herd 4x Root Maze 1x Sylvan Library Land (20) 1x Dryad Arbor 17x Forest 2x Ghost Quarter Sideboard (15) 2x Bind 2x Choke 2x Guttural Response 2x Hidden Gibbons 2x Hidden Guerrillas 2x Lifeforce 2x Null Rod 1x Seedtime Ghost Quarters may become wastelands if I open lucky on ETM packs. Also had to drop a Dryad arbor as I cannot seem to find my playset, just the one.
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C-Euro posted:Thanks, I'm working on Junk too and kind of want to rip most of this list off. Some brain-picking: Nope, no maindeck discard. I wanted a more aggressive route with creatures that spot removal strategies would have a hard time dealing with. Think of it as "junk value aka junk 2-for-1". I'm not using goyfs, Liliana or delving into a tasigur so the maindeck discard seemed less synergistic. I wasn't expecting much combo so I'd rather force people to dump their hand trying to keep the board clean. Ever seen someone 4-for-1 themselves trying to keep spirit tokens off the field? I have. So basically no discard was the compromise I made towards being more aggressive expecting nahiri decks, while also being prepared for zoo decks. I alllmost put Sigarda in and I'm glad I didn't. Ultimately it came down to a conversation with groupmates on the way there, and we agreed that the "can't be countered" text was more relevant, along with supreme verdict not killing Thrun. It was 100% the right call and I'm going to be maindecking thrun for a while. Topdecking Thrun and windmill slamming it against control players knowing they couldn't stop it felt amazing. Liliana decks are terrible against me anyways and 4 mana is the magic sweet spot for the deck. If you don't have hierarchs, just run birds until you get them. They are relevant though. Black is just a splash color in my build and I felt like I got the manabase close to perfect, or it felt that way 98% of the time so getting a black source wasn't hard. You only ever really need 1 black source anyway. Exalted allowing your siege rhino or Thrun to swing into tasigur was relevant quite a few times though. Being able to swing a single souls token in for extra damage and leave the rest back to block affinity's x/1's or infect creatures is also good. You'd be surprised at how often you notice it. Westvale Abbey is fine. Truthfully, I never got to activate it all weekend, but that's partly because people would see it and begin prioritizing keeping me below 5 creatures so it definitely influenced some games in my favor. One grixis player kept having to burn bolts and terminates on souls tokens to keep me under 5 creatures while he was at 9 life, which means it was working. Fingers McLongDong fucked around with this message at 15:08 on May 25, 2016 |
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So with EMA coming out it might be a good idea to have an updated OP w/ some decks for people to try that highlight EMA cards. Could set it up as like, "HERE ARE THE CARDS YOU CAN GET IN EMA", "HERE ARE THE RESERVED LIST CARDS", "HERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES".
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Skyl3lazer posted:So with EMA coming out it might be a good idea to have an updated OP w/ some decks for people to try that highlight EMA cards. Could set it up as like, "HERE ARE THE CARDS YOU CAN GET IN EMA", "HERE ARE THE RESERVED LIST CARDS", "HERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES". everyone should build DnT, it walks all over storm and miracles, and loses to my 4x Gaea's Cradle deck.
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May 25, 2016 17:13
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Skyl3lazer posted:So with EMA coming out it might be a good idea to have an updated OP w/ some decks for people to try that highlight EMA cards. Could set it up as like, "HERE ARE THE CARDS YOU CAN GET IN EMA", "HERE ARE THE RESERVED LIST CARDS", "HERE ARE SOME ALTERNATIVES". no b/c u see breakfast burrito is the only sorry i couldnt finish that thought seriously
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May 25, 2016 17:37
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Tim Raines IRL posted:everyone should build DnT, it walks all over storm and miracles, and loses to my 4x Gaea's Cradle deck. It's not all that bad against Elves. I honestly think it's favored post-board. We get so many haymakers between Jitte, Containment Priest, Canonist, possibly Humility. Of course it can't ever beat Eldrazi so there's that.
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May 25, 2016 18:26
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suicidesteve posted:It's not all that bad against Elves. I honestly think it's favored post-board. We get so many haymakers between Jitte, Containment Priest, Canonist, possibly Humility. Hey you can play Moat and win via flickerwisp and wingmare
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May 25, 2016 19:03
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Skyl3lazer posted:Hey you can play Moat and win via flickerwisp and wingmare I can't wait to have my $350, 4 mana spell resolve through a bunch of Thalias and Thorns and turn 2 Thought-Knots!
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May 25, 2016 19:07
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If you're playing white, have you heard of our lord and savior terminus? Also, playing blue?
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suicidesteve posted:It's not all that bad against Elves. I honestly think it's favored post-board. We get so many haymakers between Jitte, Containment Priest, Canonist, possibly Humility. I've played a ton of D&T vs Eldrazi, and the matchup seems favored for Mono-White People and Ponies. Wasteland and Ports are huge. Elves on the other hand, is way more often than not an awful time.
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My lye is doing modern for modern masters. Should I take my winnings in mm or mm15? I am legit uncertain which has the better money rares.
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May 25, 2016 23:42
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Hm, Humility, Moat, Terminus... If only there was a deck where we could play all of these haymakers that are great against the field... *"The Mighty Quinn" begins playing softly in the background*
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numerrik posted:My lye is doing modern for modern masters. Should I take my winnings in mm or mm15? I am legit uncertain which has the better money rares. mtgstocks has a EV listing for boosters/boxes: http://www.mtgstocks.com/sets/220 http://www.mtgstocks.com/sets/248 MM Booster EV is like $12 TCG Low, and MM15 Booster EV is like $6. Go with MM boosters over MM15, then sell the cards you don't like and buy the MM15 cards you want.
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May 25, 2016 23:53
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AgentSythe posted:Hm, Humility, Moat, Terminus... If only there was a deck where we could play all of these haymakers that are great against the field... Clearly you mean Moat Stompy. Way long ago, I got to borrow all the sol lands and 4 copies of moat and just had a blast. I was at the weekly, playing against the resident goblins player. I cast 2x chrome mox, imprinting 2 moats, played my ancient tomb and cast a third moat. He conceded the match on the spot.
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L0cke17 posted:Clearly you mean Moat Stompy. if I still had my city of traitors i'd do it. well that;s not true, i'd play braids stacks instead also currently having a conversation on if playing a darksteel citadel in Quinn so I have a colorless land I can E. Tutor for to play warping wail is "going too deep." bad decks are great
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AgentSythe posted:if I still had my city of traitors i'd do it. well that;s not true, i'd play braids stacks instead You know, that doesnt actually seem that bad. My favorite bad deck is still solidarity. It was great when dig was legal, but not its back to mediocre. Which means noone expects it!
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L0cke17 posted:You know, that doesnt actually seem that bad. My favorite bad deck is still solidarity. It was great when dig was legal, but not its back to mediocre. Which means noone expects it! Play the deck that you have the most fun with it! If it's not a great deck, then playing with it a lot and learning the nuances will make you better with it. This is how I, when playing Esper Mill, somehow walk away from every event having hit prize payout. Speaking of Mill, this deck posted an 8-0-1 Day 1 at GP LA then bombed out in Day 2. It's a pretty interesting take, utilizing Manic Scribe and Mesmeric Orb for that traditional Millstone feeling (in addition to your staple Mill spells). I just don't like both Ensnaring Bridge and Jace's Phantasm as maindeck defense (and honestly I don't like either in the 75 at all), but it also has Set Adrift which seems pretty funny in a Mill deck. So I came up with this take on the idea- Deck: Triggered Mill   //Lands 2 Darkslick Shores 3 Flooded Strand 3 Ghost Quarter 1 Hallowed Fountain 2 Island 2 Marsh Flats 4 Polluted Delta 2 Shelldock Isle 2 Swamp 2 Watery Grave //Spells 4 Archive Trap 3 Crypt Incursion 4 Glimpse the Unthinkable 4 Mesmeric Orb 3 Mind Funeral 1 Set Adrift 4 Surgical Extraction 4 Visions of Beyond //Creatures 4 Hedron Crab 4 Manic Scribe 2 Snapcaster Mage //Sideboard 1 Echoing Truth 3 Hide // Seek 2 Hurkyl's Recall 3 Pithing Needle 3 Profane Memento 3 Set Adrift  Display deck statisticsThoughts? I want to try this instead of my Esper list next Modern event I get to, it's just too bad that Mesmeric Orb is $12 now and I need two more  But Shelldock Isle is the same price 
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I didn't watch the coverage, but... man, there's no way Manic Scribe works, right? It's not like you have symmetrical mill so you can easily bin an orb or one of your dudes. Is 2 mana for a blocker and mill 3 good enough? I know there are some NoVA goons that lurk around this thread and I'm thinking of playing noted bad format Modern at Curio for the super IQ this weekend. Anyone else thinking of going? I'm trying to decide between Elves and Stompy. i have Ascendancy too but not nearly enough reps to feel comfortable taking it to Curio.
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I'm going to try burn for modern FNM. This is a budget take on it since I'm not going to put money into Goblin Guides and fetches (right now). Deck: W/B Burn   //Creature 4 Keldon Marauders 4 Monastery Swiftspear 4 Eidolon of the Great Revel 2 Grim Lavamancer //Spell 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Lava Spike 4 Rift Bolt 4 Shard Volley 4 Boros Charm 4 Skullcrack 2 Lightning Helix //Land 4 Sacred Foundry 4 Battlefield Forge 12 Mountain //Sideboard 4 Ash Zealot 2 Dragon's Claw 2 Wear // Tear 4 Smash to Smithereens 3 Molten Rain Display deck statistics
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AgentSythe posted:I didn't watch the coverage, but... man, there's no way Manic Scribe works, right? It's not like you have symmetrical mill so you can easily bin an orb or one of your dudes. Is 2 mana for a blocker and mill 3 good enough? With 4 orbs, it cant be that hard? C-Euro posted:Play the deck that you have the most fun with it! If it's not a great deck, then playing with it a lot and learning the nuances will make you better with it. This is how I, when playing Esper Mill, somehow walk away from every event having hit prize payout. Thats what I do in vintage! I play awful 5 color moat control piles every month, and walk away with more than I came in with. Noone seems to figure out how to beat it consistently beat it. In legacy I just play miracles though. I've gotten in so much practice and its the best deck by far so its pretty easy to crush with it. Its all about topping quickly and knowing what matters to even try to counterbalance, and what to let go through so you have time to win.
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If you can't afford fetches then Lavamancer won't do you much good; I'd cut him for something else for right now.
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AgentSythe posted:I didn't watch the coverage, but... man, there's no way Manic Scribe works, right? It's not like you have symmetrical mill so you can easily bin an orb or one of your dudes. Is 2 mana for a blocker and mill 3 good enough? That's the main thing I want to figure out. As pointed out, Mesmeric Orb does mill you as well so that will likely put you into Delerium. It's probably more effective in the GP deck where there's a more even spread of card types, but again I eschewed Bridge and Phantasm in my take. Or if you chump with a Scribe, then that all but guarantees that you'll have Delerium when you cast the next one. I didn't see Scribe really go off for him, his one match that was on camera was against Joe Lossett's Tron (which would eventually make Top 8) and it was over in ~15 minutes. I don't recall seeing Scribe hit play though he did get an Orb both games which would have made Scribe really effective (it also dodges Pyroclasm in that matchup, but Joe was running Bolts anyway).
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TheKingofSprings posted:If you can't afford fetches then Lavamancer won't do you much good; I'd cut him for something else for right now. I remembered I could get Bloodstained Mires and Wooded Foothills.
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C-Euro posted:That's the main thing I want to figure out. As pointed out, Mesmeric Orb does mill you as well so that will likely put you into Delerium. It's probably more effective in the GP deck where there's a more even spread of card types, but again I eschewed Bridge and Phantasm in my take. Or if you chump with a Scribe, then that all but guarantees that you'll have Delerium when you cast the next one. He pretty much won that because he got an Orb both games and Joe milled like, 8 lands in the 9 lands he milled from the Orbs in both games. It's still a bad matchup for Tron but it kinda seems like Joe lost to bad luck more than anything.
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TheKingofSprings posted:If you can't afford fetches then Lavamancer won't do you much good; I'd cut him for something else for right now. Hellspark Elemental may be a better source of consistent damage. suicidesteve posted:He pretty much won that because he got an Orb both games and Joe milled like, 8 lands in the 9 lands he milled from the Orbs in both games. It's still a bad matchup for Tron but it kinda seems like Joe lost to bad luck more than anything. Tron is probably Mill's best matchup after Scapeshift if you are playing maindeck Extirpate/Surgical. And with Eye banned, people are playing Emrakul less, making G1 much better. I think I've only lost a match once to Tron playing Mill, and that was due to not having a Surgical and hitting the Emrakul twice. GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 07:26 on May 26, 2016 |
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GoutPatrol posted:Tron is probably Mill's best matchup after Scapeshift if you are playing maindeck Extirpate/Surgical. And with Eye banned, people are playing Emrakul less, making G1 much better. I think I've only lost a match once to Tron playing Mill, and that was due to not having a Surgical and hitting the Emrakul twice. This guy wasn't running them maindeck, which I thought was kind of risky as they are super-useful in a Mill deck. But yes, the fact that those decks aren't running Emrakul anymore is a huge help, so while it's not a slam-dunk matchup it's gotten a lot better in the last year or so (the only games I've lost to Tron variants have come from severe mana flooding). The card I least want to see Tron cast is probably Karn, as I have no way of dealing with it and it gives me two turns to win before they restart the game with a Wurmcoil or Ulamog in play and 
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AgentSythe posted:I didn't watch the coverage, but... man, there's no way Manic Scribe works, right? It's not like you have symmetrical mill so you can easily bin an orb or one of your dudes. Is 2 mana for a blocker and mill 3 good enough? Go for it! I'm head judging the event 
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Skyl3lazer posted:Go for it! I'm head judging the event if you see a fat nerd casting an Avatar of the Resolute, there's high odds it's me
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AgentSythe posted:if you see a fat nerd casting an Avatar of the Resolute, there's high odds it's me Feel free to come up and say hi, it would probably be easier.
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http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/361505#paper Went to my lgs with this and went 1 and 2. Any suggestions to upgrade the deck?
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Spark Elemental is bad. Don't run it ever. Hellspark at least has the option to get up to 6 damage in, spark elemental isn't guaranteed damage. Honestly, I would replace the spark and hellspark elementals with Goblin guide and Monastery swiftspear for much more explosive draws. If you cant afforde guides, just replace spark elemental with swiftspear and you'll do better already.
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numerrik posted:http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/361505#paper Cut aggressive mining. Add something to the board that kills Kor Firewalkers. Either Pyrite Spellbomb or that devoid card from OGW that deals 2 damage. Honestly though 1-2 is about what I would expect from budget burn. It folds to pretty much any sideboard hate. Goblin Guides and Eidolon of the Great Revel would be non-budget cards to look into.
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mcmagic posted:Who's going to GP Columbus? Thinking about it. Need to try and get some more play time though. Paying that kinda money to only make silly mistakes seems like a bad idea.
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C-Euro posted:That's the main thing I want to figure out. As pointed out, Mesmeric Orb does mill you as well so that will likely put you into Delerium. It's probably more effective in the GP deck where there's a more even spread of card types, but again I eschewed Bridge and Phantasm in my take. Or if you chump with a Scribe, then that all but guarantees that you'll have Delerium when you cast the next one. I feel like if you point scribe at yourself on the ETB, it should get you pretty close to delirium, and then you get to hit them on their upkeep with it (and every subsequent upkeep?) It still seems a bit loose.
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numerrik posted:http://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/361505#paper Like others have said, Goblin Guide and Eidolon of the Great Revel are extremely good but pricy (especially the Guides). Monastery Swiftspears are also really good. Without fetches I wouldn't bother with Searing Blaze, if you need a similar effect then Searing Blood works. Zurgo Bellstriker might be another creature to look at, or Ash Zealot. But to be honest I would stick a second color in the deck. Green gives you Atarka's Command and sideboard Destructive Revelry. White gives you Boros Charm, Lightning Helix, and sideboard Kor FIrewalker, Wear // Tear, Deflecting Palm, and Path to Exile. I've found there's a pretty standard list of cards depending on if you want to go Boros, Gruul, or Naya. Mono-red burn isn't that great since you have to go for cards like Magma Jet.
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http://imgur.com/23ldgXB I love the miracles mirror with the legends build. I guess my opponent doesn't!
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Rogue0071 posted:http://imgur.com/23ldgXB Wait did this idiot think that Monastery Mentor was a one of or was it a different 3? mcmagic posted:Who's going to GP Columbus?
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