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Mr. Highway posted:Lastly, I know Susan is supposed to stand up for herself, but I think there is a difference between standing up for yourself and being a jerk. I have to agree with this. The "opposite" of depression is not sociopathy. Just because something "feels" good does not mean it's an answer to depression. The "quality" of the game doesn't bother me so much since I'm not playing it but since this game is made by someone with a background in the mental health profession they really should know better than this. Judging from some of the stuff that's been written by other posters about the creator of this, I can't help but feel a bit of escapism bleeding into this work.
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Update! Episode 7: Miss Mitzi I know how much you guys like talky sections.
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Something happened on your computer around the 8 minute mark. I must know what it is.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Something happened on your computer around the 8 minute mark. I must know what it is. No idea. It binged then nothing happened, so I rolled with it. I didnt think anyone would notice.
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DreamShipWrecked posted:No idea. It binged then nothing happened, so I rolled with it. I didnt think anyone would notice. It just gave me a good chuckle, that's all. That whole bit when they go back into the living room gave me a 7th Guest vibe, right down to the music. Man I need to play that again. I'm not sure what to think about Mitzi though.
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Well that's... quite a jump at the end there. This game handles time so oddly... Aaaaand Mitzy's going to make me cry, isn't she? 
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 : I have this expensive little box of lockpicks... but I just used a bumpkey, your lock is not all that great. Mitzi makes a good introduction. The Queen of Maggots is a bit of a jerk though. Edit: Also, I forgot about that voice acting at the end. It's... special. SystemLogoff fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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So I see 'pacing' is not really this game's forte either.
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I wrote up a whole (longer than I expected) post about how disappointing this game has been so far, especially as a person with actual depression*, but then I realised that this might not be the best place to post it. I don't want to poo poo up the thread when I think DreamShipWrecked is doing an excellent job with this LP. If you guys are interested I'll post it but for now I'll keep my party poopin' ways to myself. I do agree that this last video had a pretty accurate depiction of the day to day realities of depression. Everyone has good days and bad, but a complete inability to deal with little things when you're already down, to the point that bad/"bad" days are completely crippling... yeah, I've been there. More often on medication than not, too.  *I just realised this comes across like I'm saying others aren't actually depressed, woops. I meant compared to the other people who criticised the game, who I don't think mentioned having any mental health issues. I'm not saying people who are depressed shouldn't like this game, that would dumb. Idunn fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 14:41
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You can post it in the thread, that is fine, but please wait until the LP is finished to do so.
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Mercury_Storm posted:So I see 'pacing' is not really this game's forte either. I have not played this game or watched any more of it than has been posted in this thread. Eh, my guess is that it's just a possibly unnecessary use of a jump forward with subsequent flashbacks. We have no reason to suspect that the pest control guy was called immediately after our conversation with the neighbor, Susan would have had to have played the piano again, which we haven't done. Since we know that Susan sees dead people, there's two possibilities for what I think may be going on: 1. Mitzi really is Susan's long-lost dead daughter, who died at the age of 1-5 from some form of cancer, ruining her marriage and her life. Hence why Susan immediately just uncharacteristically shuts the hell up when she sees Mitzi's head. 2. Judging from the "Two Twins" puzzle and pretty transparent characterization of Doctor X "I don't know that I could call myself an artist... not yet anyway", it's entirely possible that they go with the well-trodden "Mitzi's cancer goes into remission, they celebrate with piano jazz, and the serial killer comes and kills Mitzi/abducts Susan" path. Spoiler tag for recent video.
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hello mizzarrrsheworth Mitzi's voice acting is all over the place.
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Update 2! Episode 8: Miss Mitzi's Misfortunate Motivations
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As hit or miss as the voice acting is, I really like Mitzi's. I'm worried about getting attached to her, but I like her quite a bit so far.DreamShipWrecked posted:You can post it in the thread, that is fine, but please wait until the LP is finished to do so. I haven't played ahead or anything, I'm just following this LP. I'll respect your wishes of course, I hope this doesn't seem argumentative.
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Idunn posted:I wrote up a whole (longer than I expected) post about how disappointing this game has been so far, especially as a person with actual depression*, To prevent this ambiguity between the common usage of the word depression and say the DSM/ICD version, you should use "clinical depression" instead as that's understood to mean the mental disorder rather than the mood.
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Not to defend encouraging people to commit suicide at all, but that was a weird way to conclude the suicide forum discussion. "There were warning posters on the car?" "Yeah this guy says to avoid harming bystanders, it's part of his sick ideology" "Jesus the police should go after him" This game really does have a pacing problem at times.
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Aw, man, I do really like Mitzi. Her hesitation about giving information about making poison gas to someone who just comitted suicide is a nice touch. And pacing issues aside, I did enjoy the smash cut to that poster quite a bit.
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Yeah, pacing is definitely an issue so far. But given that when the game gets it right it hits it out of the park, it mostly looks like it needed the touch of an editor. And add me to the Mitzi  , because I really like her so far. Realistic without being obnoxious is rarer than I prefer.
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Geez Susan, how do you keep running into serial murderers!? For that matter, what city is this where everyone's a Batman villain? Are we in the Heavy Rain universe?
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She was essentially told she was going back to take care of what could be assumed to be 5 serial killers.
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:Not to defend encouraging people to commit suicide at all, but that was a weird way to conclude the suicide forum discussion. Eh, I think it's mostly there to show the depth of how much control the Eye of Adam has over his victims. Not only is he controlling them to kill themselves, it's so complete that he's dictating every action they do on the way out. Idunn posted:I haven't played ahead or anything, I'm just following this LP. I'll respect your wishes of course, I hope this doesn't seem argumentative. Oh no, it's fine, I just ask that you wait because I want people to experience the game for what it is, which is more difficult if every update we have Joe Goon posting his thesis about what's wrong with the game. After it's over, poo poo, rail on it all you want. We're already halfway through it anyways. Also, you are all right, Mitzi is the Best Character.
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Don't know if this is deliberate or a neat coincidence, but Mitzi (Miți) means "kitty" in Romanian  .Regardless, fantastic job with the LP so far. You convinced me to play the game myself and I can't help but agree with everyone saying the game has serious flaws but the good parts are, well, incredibly good and make it worth playing/watching.
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Is no one gonna comment on the amazing cat music? Cuz I am. It's drat great.
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The idea of the Eye of Adam being some sort of transformed cult by way of the internet is interesting. It reminds me, and I assume it is unintentional, of the suicidal following of The Sorrows of Young Werther.
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The toilet bleach to which they refer isn't NaClO(aq.) but instead HCl(aq.). Interestingly , the instructions for making deadly H2S(g) have been obscured through the requirement for an ammonia containing compound. HCl + NH3 gives you relatively safe NH4Cl (aq.) as a product. Obviously you can't get H2S because there's no sulfur in the reaction. Unfortunately, if you don't know what toilet bleach is (or you just keep hearing them refer to "bleach" rather than 'acid') , you wind up with a different deadly poisonous gas, Cl2(g). Not sure if it's a mistake or an oversight or a difference between British and American idioms, but I found it interesting.
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Kytrarewn posted:The toilet bleach to which they refer isn't NaClO(aq.) but instead HCl(aq.). Interestingly , the instructions for making deadly H2S(g) have been obscured through the requirement for an ammonia containing compound. That is true, mixing the two ingredients just gets you a solution of chloroamines that will probably give you cancer in the long run but won't instantly kill you. I drew the comparison to SH3 for that reason, they deliberately gently caress up the chemistry (I imagine) in order to prevent some dumbass from trying it himself. There is was generic "bathroom detergent", here it's fertilizer. I assume they are shooting for Cl2(g), just obscured it intentionally. There are bleaches that contain some sulfur, the reducing bleaches that they use in some organic materials industries, that would liberate H2S in the presence of acid (again, not ammonia). However, its pretty obvious that they mean household sodium hypochlorite. E. Video probs up Sunday CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 21, 2014 |
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Now that the forums are slowly unfucking themselves, I can post this update from two days ago! I've been holding onto it until things fixed themsevles and just put it up two hours ago in a "screw it" motion, so I claim responsibility for saving the forums. Episode 9: Lab Safety Failure CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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Holy poo poo.  ...I really don't think "being a stone cold motherfucker" is a normal symptom of clinical depression.But goodness, the gameplay of this part looks tediously un-fun, what with the, um, wife just popping up wherever. Is that supposed to be randomly generated? Yeesh, if so. And of course, the hilariously immersion breaking phone calls were great too. I find it highly unlikely that the police, even the incompetent cops of Not-England here, wouldn't send a cop car to someone who said they'd been kidnapped, regardless of the caller's medical history. Also, Mitzi handled that call considerably smoother than I would, had someone called me up to say, "Hey, I've been kidnapped by cannibals, and I need the recipe to some poison so I can kill them, because I can't just find my way home by following the street in the fog, for some reason."
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Yeah good lord, just about everything the game had to offer in that episode was an embarrassment. I guess I'm only watching this to see how bad it gets now. Was that police call supposed to be some sort of inside joke or something?
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Yeah, the game has its ups and downs and this is certainly a down part. It'll get better, somewhat. I'd say "it's all downhill from here" but it's more of several upwards bumps on a gradual downward incline. Rabbi Raccoon posted:Mitzi's cancer gets cured with the power of friendship, doesn't it? No.... at least not canonically Mercury_Storm posted:Yeah good lord, just about everything the game had to offer in that episode was an embarrassment. I guess I'm only watching this to see how bad it gets now. More of handwaving "why doesn't she just call the loving police"
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DreamShipWrecked posted:More of handwaving "why doesn't she just call the loving police" Susan could have just said "If I call the police I'll never be able to 'properly' deal with the parasites" or something. Seems like the game has given up all pretenses of you not having to kill them now anyways, even going as far as to put mystical fog preventing you from going home (that clears up after you kill all monsters, like in some action-horror game). I guess we can only assume that she's now living in an alternate dimension where the police give even less fucks than normal? Mercury_Storm fucked around with this message at 04:53 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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I think, at least in the United States (I'm unsure if it works this way in England), she would have been able to just call the emergency hotline, and just hang up. And probably pick up the phone and leave it off the hook so they can't call back. From what all I've heard, they would basically send a patrol car to make sure everything was okay. But then that would be sensible, and Adventure Games don't really do 'sensible'. It's a shame that the dialog wasn't tweaked a bit; The cop could have said something that implied he thought Susan was having a psychotic break. If I recall, the 'tell Mitzi to call the police' might say something like that? I remember watching a stream that someone did and they choose that option and it didn't actually matter. Though that theory in the video does bring up an interesting ideas. All the 'parasites' being brought back to life and given powers thing. It would 'explain' some things. But I'm unsure if Remigiusz thought of a reason why the 'zombie' moved like that when writing this section, akin to the whole 'not knowing who the Queen of Maggots' was when Remigiusz started writing it thing. It would be interesting to know how different, if at all, the plot/dialog was from the first draft. Not counting spelling/grammar fixes.
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Mercury_Storm posted:Susan could have just said "If I call the police I'll never be able to 'properly' deal with the parasites" or something. Seems like the game has given up all pretenses of you not having to kill them now anyways, even going as far as to put mystical fog preventing you from going home (that clears up after you kill all monsters, like in some action-horror game). If I wanted to be gracious, I would say that it is showing what a black mark getting mental help can be once it goes on record. No one will believe anything you say anymore because hey, you're clinically insane, right? So gently caress you! Now, if you want to be forgiving, that's an individual thing.
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Just caught up on this LP, and wow, this game is incredibly uneven. If it were only a game about someone fighting the urge to destroy themself, it would work beautifully, since Michalski has done a wonderful job portraying suicidal depression in fiction. A lot of authors get the details wrong, or sensationalize it, but for the most part his treatment is quite genuine. I also kind of like the art style and "animation", and the music getting louder at moments of distress is a nice touch, as well. But then there are elements like the Wacky Dancing Blindfolded Doctor who turns his victims into the works of DaVinci and Vermeer, where you can make a cheesy quip before killing him with a sawblade mace that you took your time building because the woman being tortured in the next room is in no danger of actually being killed. And the British Chainsaw Massacre couple. And the call to the police. And Mitzi going on about  . And the knights and knaves puzzle, et cetera. None of these really work, and only serve to drag the rest of The Cat Lady down.Did the author feel that he had to graft on a lovely horror game, in order to provide more content? Perhaps he did it as a way of broadening the game's appeal? In any case, it's disappointing that the game ended up the way it did. An editor probably could have salvaged much about the horror elements, but the author doesn't seem like the type of person who would ever agree to run his work by someone and have them take a red marker to it. Hedera Helix fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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I can't be the only one that thought that the mansion looked very similar to Dr. Fred's house in Maniac Mansion. The kitchen, dining room, storage room, front hall, parlor, and library had the almost the same layout for background themes and items. azsedcf fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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azsedcf posted:I can't be the only one that thought that the mansion looked very similar to Dr. Fred's house in Maniac Mansion. Yup. This while place is one giant shout-out to MM. As for the police thing, eh, I thought it was kinda funny. Especially since Susan gave that off-handed "bitch" after telling them the woman blinded her with bleach. This part is very clunky though. Veeeeery clunky. I liked Dr. X's level better.
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