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Netero's assertion that he was uninterested in the New World because there are no "enemies" out there but merely "danger" interests me a bit. The whole series so far has been defined by conflict between humans or humanlike ants, so I doubt it'll suddenly switch focus to PVE. I'm guessing that Beyond and his team will be ultimately more important than whatever's out there.
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Saki posted:Ugh I really hate this zodiac storyline. All over the place. The Arc hasn't really started, we are in the prologue of the setup phase, and you already "really hate it"?? lol
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Clarste posted:Netero's assertion that he was uninterested in the New World because there are no "enemies" out there but merely "danger" interests me a bit. The whole series so far has been defined by conflict between humans or humanlike ants, so I doubt it'll suddenly switch focus to PVE. I'm guessing that Beyond and his team will be ultimately more important than whatever's out there. Or it could be full of things like Nanika that kill you not out of hostility but simply out of curiousity, love, or some alien motive we can't even understand. 
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May 29, 2014 16:56
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That final page reminds me of The Night Land. Just totally incomprehensible poo poo waiting patiently to ruin your day.
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May 29, 2014 19:05
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It reminds me of how Toriko described the Gourmet Word: full of life ending monstrosities and utterly uninhabitable by most humans. It will be nice to see some of the more exotic fauna like the shapeshifters from early on in the series. Maybe we'll also see some more Nen using creatures other than the Ants.
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May 30, 2014 01:26
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I was most interested by the curse sort of disease that just twists people into rope. That's some straight up Ito poo poo right there.
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Shugojin posted:I was most interested by the curse sort of disease that just twists people into rope. That's some straight up Ito poo poo right there. Who do you think he has finally found to do the art for him? 
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Xelkelvos posted:It reminds me of how Toriko described the Gourmet Word: full of life ending monstrosities and utterly uninhabitable by most humans. The difference is that in Toriko, danger always leads to rewards. Here, everything they found is horrible and incompatible with human life and there is no indication that there is anything beneficial out there (though we don't know what is in that travel log book yet). They are just working off the assumption that if things are that amazing in a bad way, there must be something amazing in a good way. Well, at least that's what Netero believed. Beyond is likely obsessed with it for other reasons.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The difference is that in Toriko, danger always leads to rewards. Here, everything they found is horrible and incompatible with human life and there is no indication that there is anything beneficial out there (though we don't know what is in that travel log book yet). They are just working off the assumption that if things are that amazing in a bad way, there must be something amazing in a good way. Well, at least that's what Netero believed. Beyond is likely obsessed with it for other reasons. I don't think Netero thought that there was anything good out there, just that danger is its own reward. Like, if you're not seeking out new challenges then how can you call yourself a Hunter?
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May 30, 2014 05:59
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I for one love the new direction HxH is going in, because the exploration of the unknown has always been a major part of the series. However, if they leave us hanging with Kurapika for another five years... Togashi, so help me god, I will strike you down where you stand
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May 30, 2014 08:00
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The twisting disease is like a mix between something out of Uzumaki and the end of The Enigma of Amigara Fault, its awesome (and a bit dark for a Shonen magazine strip).
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May 30, 2014 23:29
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Clarste posted:I don't think Netero thought that there was anything good out there, just that danger is its own reward. Like, if you're not seeking out new challenges then how can you call yourself a Hunter? It seems that Netero basically said "it's not the kind of challenges I'm interested in" and turned around. That said, there are definitely strong as gently caress enemies there, we just had a whole arc because one creature accidentally ended up in the human world. And was defeated by biological weapons and an autistic girl.
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May 31, 2014 00:20
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HxH has always straddled the line between shounen and seinen but it really took a step up in the last few arcs.
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Shugojin posted:It seems that Netero basically said "it's not the kind of challenges I'm interested in" and turned around. That said, there are definitely strong as gently caress enemies there, we just had a whole arc because one creature accidentally ended up in the human world. And was defeated by biological weapons and an autistic girl. The ants only became really strong after entering the human world, though.
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May 31, 2014 01:47
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Yeah, they had a lot of potential I guess but didn't get really strong until they ate nen users. They basically got lucky by being allowed to climb a nen user ladder. They probably would have been screwed if for example Kaito had showed up really early on.
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May 31, 2014 01:52
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I hope all these horrifying diseases provide an excuse to bring Leorio along for whenever Gon and Killua get roped into the new world.
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Deki posted:I hope all these horrifying diseases provide an excuse to bring Leorio along for whenever Gon and Killua get roped into the new world. Gon and Killua separated last arc I think the next one will be Killualess like the last two arcs were Leorio and Kurapikaless.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Gon and Killua separated last arc I think the next one will be Killualess like the last two arcs were Leorio and Kurapikaless. I guess that makes sense, but I figured that Alluka's horrifying powers were tied to the horrifying powers we just saw, and they'd be related.
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Deki posted:I guess that makes sense, but I figured that Alluka's horrifying powers were tied to the horrifying powers we just saw, and they'd be related. The arcs do tend to lead to and connect to each other, I suppose. Hunter exam ends with Killua's departure and forces the group to go get him. After reuniting with Killua he takes Gon to the Heaven's Tower. Learning Nen and meeting Hisoka and Machi sets up for Yorknew, as they need to go there to get Greed Island. After Yorknew they actually get Greed Island and start playing it. Beating Greed Island sends them to Kite, which leads them to the Ants. And Gon's... Drastic measures for beating Pitou necessitate Alluka's assistance. However, Ging sort of pointed Gon in the direction of the Dark Continent/New World/whatever already, and Alluka's powers could be some strange sort of Nen. I mean, Nen was able to make Greed Island, and since Alluka's powers don't actually benefit her at all, and the cost is (at least theoretically) three times the value of the wish, it might not be anything but a really restricted, powerful Nen ability. Anyway, man. First translation of this chapter I read really bungled a few parts, most notably Beyond's lines at the end. The way they translated it made it sound like Beyond was claiming to have captured himself; I briefly wondered if he was possessed, but given that he (probably) hasn't yet been to the Dark Continent or whatever that's rather unlikely. Rereading that part in a different translation, it looks like he's preparing to pull one over on the V5, which makes more sense. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 09:24 on May 31, 2014 |
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May 31, 2014 09:21
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Roland Jones posted:However, Ging sort of pointed Gon in the direction of the Dark Continent/New World/whatever already, and Alluka's powers could be some strange sort of Nen. I mean, Nen was able to make Greed Island, and since Alluka's powers don't actually benefit her at all, and the cost is (at least theoretically) three times the value of the wish, it might not be anything but a really restricted, powerful Nen ability. There is something off about Alluka's powers. Even if nen abilities can be pretty much anything, the user has to be powerful enough and actually want the ability for it to manifest, and Alluka is obviously not someone that fits that bill. Her other personality is probably the one that developed/restricted the nen power and it may indeed be some sort of new world thing/phenomenon.
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I can't wait until the Heaven Tower floor master stuff is revisited. There was suppose to be some huge tournament that Hisoka was gonna be in.
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trucutru posted:There is something off about Alluka's powers. Even if nen abilities can be pretty much anything, the user has to be powerful enough and actually want the ability for it to manifest, and Alluka is obviously not someone that fits that bill. Her other personality is probably the one that developed/restricted the nen power and it may indeed be some sort of new world thing/phenomenon. That's not necessarily true. Neon wasn't particularly powerful either, and her power was another strange one. Obviously not on the scale of Alluka's, but it's another "Specialist" ability that utterly defies all the categories, and likewise belongs to a person who is basically an ordinary person despite their amazing ability. I doubt Neon went to the effort of training her ability either; given how spoiled she was, it seems unlikely that she'd put any effort into such a thing. And another Specialist ability we've seen, Kurapika's "Emperor Time", is also an inborn ability rather than one he developed. The weirder Specialist abilities seem to frequently be ones that just happened, rather than ones the user actively developed, so Alluka's ability could be similar. Though, yeah, the power is really Nanika's rather than Alluka's. Which doesn't necessarily answer this question, as Nanika's origin is still a mystery. Whether she was born of Alluka's ability or otherwise was always a part of her, or if she came from the outside world, is as of yet unknown to us. Kild posted:I can't wait until the Heaven Tower floor master stuff is revisited. There was suppose to be some huge tournament that Hisoka was gonna be in. Honestly, I doubt Hisoka cares about that. Unless he's really impressed by someone there, he's too flighty to bother with schedules and such. Besides that, even if he did go back we wouldn't see it unless it was plot-relevant, I imagine. Even the side-stories (like the Troupe fighting the Ants) are related to what's going on in the main plot, so unless someone there has a connection to where things are going, the most we'd get out of that is "Hisoka won the tournament and probably killed a lot of people doing it". (Or, Hisoka loses, and whoever beat him becomes plot relevant, but the series' most consistent antagonist getting beaten up offscreen would kind of suck.)
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It could be possible that Alluka discovered nen on her own at an extremely young age and accidentally gave herself an utterly nutso limitation which created Nanika. The cliche is that every kid has an imaginary friend, and to someone like Alluka who seems to be like Killua - essentially a good kid who just ended up with the most insane family possible - "in exchange for the power to warp and change reality at will, my power will only be usable by an imaginary self I barely have any control over, will cause catastrophic death and pain when used improperly, and render me powerless all my life" could have been enough. Especially since potential does have an effect on nen limitations (as shown by Gon giving up his to instantly surpass Pitou/Meruem), and all of the Zoldyks are almost superhuman. "Oh nanika is one of the calamities" just seems too easy.
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I just started reading this series and I just gotta say...man, this is hosed up brutal for a shounen. It's like this weird combo of dragonball and bezerk.
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Roland Jones posted:That's not necessarily true. Neon wasn't particularly powerful either, and her power was another strange one. Obviously not on the scale of Alluka's, but it's another "Specialist" ability that utterly defies all the categories, and likewise belongs to a person who is basically an ordinary person despite their amazing ability. I doubt Neon went to the effort of training her ability either; given how spoiled she was, it seems unlikely that she'd put any effort into such a thing. And another Specialist ability we've seen, Kurapika's "Emperor Time", is also an inborn ability rather than one he developed. The weirder Specialist abilities seem to frequently be ones that just happened, rather than ones the user actively developed, so Alluka's ability could be similar. My impression is that that is literally the definition of Specialist. I mean, that's why everyone else has 0% affinity for it. You either have it or you don't, and they're never developed.
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Clarste posted:My impression is that that is literally the definition of Specialist. I mean, that's why everyone else has 0% affinity for it. You either have it or you don't, and they're never developed. While it may seem certain Specialists' abilities aren't developed, it's clear looking at the conditions to active Chrollo's ability, that his Specialist ability is very much developed and the limitations on Pakunoda's ability are also indicative of being worked on rather than ones that seemingly come into being without any effort.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Gon and Killua separated last arc I think the next one will be Killualess like the last two arcs were Leorio and Kurapikaless. The problem is that Kurapika is basically useless in a fight for the rest of his life because of the condition he set on his abilities. I'd still like for him/Leorio to show up more, but neither are really going to be able to participate in fights.
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Ytlaya posted:The problem is that Kurapika is basically useless in a fight for the rest of his life because of the condition he set on his abilities. I'd still like for him/Leorio to show up more, but neither are really going to be able to participate in fights. Kurapkia still has abilities that he can use outside of fighting the Ryodan; for instance he can still use the Dowsing Chain ability (ring finger), which is basic offense/defense manipulation, searching and lie detection abilities. I'm also assuming that whatever the index finger chain can be used normally as well. He can also use the Emperor Time ability, which provides the engine for the enhanced, limited Ryodan chains but still would be pretty awesome regardless. Leorio is probably the most "normal" out of the group in terms of his Nen; he's shown his Emission Warp Punch but he's still very underdeveloped in what Togashi has shown for Nen development so it wouldn't be a far cry to say that he has more useful abilities. Edit: Looks like there are no limitations on his Healing Thumb chain with the exception of having Emperor Time active. Furious Lobster fucked around with this message at 18:38 on May 31, 2014 |
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The only thing Kurapika can't use against anyone other than the Phantom Troupe is his Chain Jail, which makes sense since otherwise he'd be ridiculously broken; once he wraps his chains around someone, that's it.
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Furious Lobster posted:While it may seem certain Specialists' abilities aren't developed, it's clear looking at the conditions to active Chrollo's ability, that his Specialist ability is very much developed and the limitations on Pakunoda's ability are also indicative of being worked on rather than ones that seemingly come into being without any effort. I think it's pretty clear that Pakunoda's basic "mind reading" ability is a straightforward thing without any unusual limitations, while her secondary "put memories into bullets" ability is her just using ordinary Conjuration like other people do. There's no reason a Specialist can't branch out afterward like Kurapica did. Chrollo's a bit more obviously complicated, but I think it suits his philosophical nature. His basic Specialization is "use the abilities of others", but then he uses Conjuration to store them in a book. I suppose it's also worth remembering that Specialization is considered adjacent to Conjuration and Manipulation on the chart.
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Pierson posted:He's also a much-needed voice of moderation on the selfish brat, the amoral assassin, and the impulsive old man. Leorio's like twenty, you rear end. He's not old, you're just young, ya brat. (Actually he's nineteen, according to the wiki.) But yeah, Kurapika's great, and while the Chain Jail (which is more or less insurmountable if you can't avoid it) is limited to the Troupe, hence its absurd power, everything else he has works on anyone, though the Enhancement of his healing chain probably sucks without Emperor Time. He's not as outright destructive as Gon or someone like Genthru, but he's pretty well-rounded for a Conjurer and is by far the smartest of the heroes, possibly of everyone in the series. And for Leorio, meanwhile, while obviously Gon's Enhancement gives him a massive edge Leorio's actually physically stronger than any of the "main characters" except Killua. Also that weird Emission punch he has is pretty neat. Clarste posted:My impression is that that is literally the definition of Specialist. I mean, that's why everyone else has 0% affinity for it. You either have it or you don't, and they're never developed. Sort of; as Lobster already said, some Specialist abilities are clearly developed. Being able to be a Specialist at all definitely relies on being born lucky, but not every Specialist just gets fancy abilities it seems.
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I would love for it to actually matter that Leorio is (at least comparatively) educated and worldly while Gon lived in a fishing village all his life, Killua only really knows how to kill people, and Kurapika has been utterly focused on revenge for at least the past few years.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I would love for it to actually matter that Leorio is (at least comparatively) educated and worldly while Gon lived in a fishing village all his life, Killua only really knows how to kill people, and Kurapika has been utterly focused on revenge for at least the past few years. It mattered briefly at the beginning of the Yorkshin arc. He bought a nice cellphone.
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Leorio is worldly in the sense that he is familiar with the civilized world. A horrible nightmare planet filled with things that want to kill you in ineffable ways is kind of out of his area of expertise. As for Gon and Killua, most of their experience with wild weirdness was on Greed Island, and that was all a game with answers to every puzzle. This is a really interesting premise, but I'm not sure how the original 4 fit into it.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Leorio is worldly in the sense that he is familiar with the civilized world. A horrible nightmare planet filled with things that want to kill you in ineffable ways is kind of out of his area of expertise. As for Gon and Killua, most of their experience with wild weirdness was on Greed Island, and that was all a game with answers to every puzzle. This is a really interesting premise, but I'm not sure how the original 4 fit into it. Well, Gon's the protagonist so if that's where the plot is that's where he'll be. Besides that, Ging did tell him how crazy the place was and that he was planning on going there eventually, and despite what an rear end Ging is Gon looks up to him. That in and of itself is reason enough for Gon to go. Besides that, though, Kurapika's actually the only one I could see going there, unless Leorio gets roped in because of the doctor thing people mentioned earlier. Otherwise, he's busy doing his own thing and is the weakest of the four, so he'll be out of place. Killua, meanwhile, had what would be a great way to write him out of the story with taking care of and protecting Alluka and Nanika, so this might be his post-Yorknew moment. Kurapika, though? Just have the Phantom Troupe go to the new world and bam, that's reason enough for him to go. It would provide some good human villains for an arc that will otherwise probably lack such, too.
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I'm pretty sure the ambiguity as to Beyond's interests and the fact that he is currently 'playing' the V5 clarifies where the human villains are going to be.
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Who is that guy who looks like Pariston but is missing the  ?Anyways, I bet this chapter was also barely understandable in Japanese. Everyone must be feeling like tiger-dude. The sense of scale that the author is going for is interesting. If this were any other manga then they would luckily arrive to the most important part of the dark continent just in time to interfere with some devious plan. But, it's HxH, and with this scale they'll likely have a truly "meaningless" adventure.
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