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UnknownMercenary
Nov 1, 2011

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This isn't an obscure movie but I didn't get around to watching it until last year and it quickly became one of my favourites. Released in 1969 by Warner Brothers and directed by Sam Peckinpah, The Wild Bunch is a violent as hell Western about an aging gang of outlaws working in the Texas-Mexico border and the band of bounty hunters chasing them.

It stars William Holden



and Ernest Borgnine



along with Ben John, Warren Oates, Jaime Sanchez and Edmond O'Brien as the titular Wild Bunch, chased by bounty hunters led by their former comrade in arms, played by Robert Ryan. This movie has a reputation for being extremely violent, and it is, but most of it is concentrated in the opening and closing sequences, which are fantastic. They both have a great suspenseful buildup, and they're relatively short but extremely intense because of Peckinpah's montage shooting style. He filmed the action from a bunch of angles with cameras at different speeds and the results make time feel very elastic as the action cuts back and forth, and it went on to influence directors like John Woo.



The action bookends 2 hours of great character drama and (sometimes very dark) humour that I don't want to spoil for anyone who is new to it. William Holden in particular gives a great performance as the gang's leader Pike, an old man of honor and natural leader but also a terrible hypocrite. I was surprised to find out he was nowhere close to the first choice to play Pike because he seemed to fit the role perfectly. The movie ended up being nominated by the Academy for Best Original Screenplay and Best Original Score but lost both to its direct competitor, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

There are some other versions of the movie floating around but I've only seen the 145 minute "uncut" version, which I've heard is the definitive one. If you haven't seen this movie please seek it out because it is really cool.


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deetron69
Jan 18, 2005
Greatest Western of All Time. Peckinpah is probably my favorite director, and he's really unparalleled in the genre between the likes of this, Major Dundee and Pat Garrett & Billy The Kid.

X-Ray Pecs
May 11, 2008

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The Wild Bunch is a drat great film, especially the brutal opening and closing shootouts. Not just brutal in content, with a level of squibs that gave it an NC-17 rating upon rerelease in 1993, but in style as well. The constant cutting between action beats, with nary an instant to digest what just happened, leads to exhausting, confusing, and exciting scenes that capture just how violent these gunfights are. The film does a great job of showing how the titular bunch are the last of a dying breed, their horses and six-shooters no match for the updated firepower of cars or machine guns. Their way of life is over, but they refuse to go down without dragging as many people with them as possible.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

It's an odd one too. I remember not liking it when I originally watched it. Then I saw it again a couple years ago in a theater and still wasn't feeling it until the halfway point. Suddenly, during the train robbery scene, it felt like the movie just clicked with me.

I have this theory that the extras are more important characters than the main gang. I feel like Peckinpah has a lot of sympathy for these innocent people constantly caught in the crossfire of these ruthless men.

Benny the Snake
Apr 11, 2012

GUM CHEWING INTENSIFIES
The Wild Bunch was one of the more violent westerns I've seen. And it was set in a time period where the west was ending so we see stuff like pump-action shotguns and semi-auto pistols in a genre where normally those items wouldn't be present. So they set in Mexico where, at the time, there was not only a revolution going on led by Pancho Villa but the US Army was present trying to quell the rebellion. I think this movie was a huge influence on the game Red Dead Redemption in terms of setting, themes, and tone.

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nocal
Mar 7, 2007
The violence is one of the best aspects of this movie. Westerns were, mostly, morality plays where a good guy shoots a rapacious injun who at last has the decency to die a bloodless death.

Peckinpah always depicted violence as it exists: it's disgusting and decidedly *not* transformative. The thread that runs through many of his movies is that a protagonist kills to "be a man," but at the end it seems that he's not "good."

I think that that's a refreshing take on *true* violence, even today. It can read as nihilistic, but I'm not sure why we accept that violence is a positive force.

MrBling
Aug 21, 2003

Oozing machismo
The blu-ray release of this real pretty. I highly recommend getting it if you're a fan of the movie.

One of my main motivations for getting a blu-ray player were westerns, and this one didn't disappoint.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

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nocal posted:

The violence is one of the best aspects of this movie. Westerns were, mostly, morality plays where a good guy shoots a rapacious injun who at last has the decency to die a bloodless death.

Peckinpah always depicted violence as it exists: it's disgusting and decidedly *not* transformative. The thread that runs through many of his movies is that a protagonist kills to "be a man," but at the end it seems that he's not "good."

I think that that's a refreshing take on *true* violence, even today. It can read as nihilistic, but I'm not sure why we accept that violence is a positive force.

Because sentiments like "it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun" come from people who watched Westerns as children and internalized them as actual history.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

raditts posted:

Because sentiments like "it takes a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun" come from people who watched Westerns as children and internalized them as actual history.

And also that anyone can be John Wayne or Clint Eastwood with perfect aim who can shoot the gun out of an outlaw's hand from 200 feet away.

Terrifying Effigies
Oct 22, 2008

Problems look mighty small from 150 miles up.

nocal posted:

The violence is one of the best aspects of this movie. Westerns were, mostly, morality plays where a good guy shoots a rapacious injun who at last has the decency to die a bloodless death.

Peckinpah always depicted violence as it exists: it's disgusting and decidedly *not* transformative. The thread that runs through many of his movies is that a protagonist kills to "be a man," but at the end it seems that he's not "good."

I think that that's a refreshing take on *true* violence, even today. It can read as nihilistic, but I'm not sure why we accept that violence is a positive force.

The opening bank robbery is great in that regard - there's this slow build up in tension that feels like the Bunch might get away in the crowd or have some sort of traditional western shootout, but nope, the two sides just start gunning down bystanders and hostages without a second thought, and several characters on either side die before the opening even finishes. It's like a game of cinematic chicken where instead of the expected last minute swerve the heroes and villains end up dead in a head-on collision.

Random thought, it always feels weird that the Wild Bunch is set almost in the exact same year as the start of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, particularly since both start with the protagonists in turn-of-the-century Army/Scout uniforms.

DekeThornton
Sep 2, 2011

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The opening scene, before the robbery, might be my favourite part of the entire movie. There is just this great fealing of unease as you watch the gang make their way through the town and you don't yet know who you are watching and what to think of them and then that all becomes cler with the line "If they move, kill 'em".

I really love that movie.

Dr. Puppykicker
Oct 16, 2012

Meanwhile

This is on Turner Classic Movies tonight along with a number of other Peckinpah westerns worth watching.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


Looks like it's on Sundance this afternoon too, but I don't get either of those channels :(
Guess I'll have to get it on DVD from Netflix. Like a chump.

seymore
Jan 9, 2012

Terrifying Effigies posted:


Random thought, it always feels weird that the Wild Bunch is set almost in the exact same year as the start of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, particularly since both start with the protagonists in turn-of-the-century Army/Scout uniforms.

You are right, around 1912/13. It was obviously not intended but the end of one era, the beginning of another.

Bob Quixote
Jul 7, 2006

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TrixRabbi posted:

And also that anyone can be John Wayne or Clint Eastwood with perfect aim who can shoot the gun out of an outlaw's hand from 200 feet away.

If its Eastwood he'd probably just shoot the guy instead of the gun, at least in the westerns I've seen him in anyway.

CloseFriend
Aug 21, 2002

Un malheur ne vient jamais seul.
I just watched this film for the first time and I have to say that I really liked it.

Personally, I absolutely loved the buildup to the final battle, with the snare drum pounding against the traditional mariachi music. You could feel that the protagonists knew what they planned to walk into.

TrixRabbi posted:

I have this theory that the extras are more important characters than the main gang. I feel like Peckinpah has a lot of sympathy for these innocent people constantly caught in the crossfire of these ruthless men.
The film strikes me as almost pacifistic in its message, since the beginning and ending shootouts have the rapic-fire cuts, but half of them involve the horrified reactions of women and children caught in the crossfire. I've never seen any of Peckinpah's imitators shine a light on the collateral damage like he did.

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Bob Quixote
Jul 7, 2006

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I have to say one of my favorite scenes is at the very end where Deke and the rest of the bounty hunters are strolling through the carnage of the final gunfight and he finds Pike's body, his dead hand still gripping the machine guns handle and his revolver left untouched in its holster.

I kind of wonder what was up with the decision to have the scene of the people in Angels village giving them a musical send-off as they ride away though? The movie telegraphs their deaths throughout the course of the story pretty hard, but that scene was just sort of beating you over the head with the idea that they were riding through their own funeral procession.

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