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Pissflaps posted:Is that bad ? It implies a stance around the independence debate, so, yes.
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Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:It implies a stance around the independence debate, so, yes. What's wrong with that?
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Jun 7, 2014 15:11
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Seems odd for a sports team to so thoroughly insert itself into a contentious political debate, doesn't it?
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Jun 7, 2014 15:12
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When it's Rangers? Not really. And I don't really understand the problem with them having or expressing a preference, they wouldn't be the first business to do so. Maybe it's controversial because it's not a Saltire.
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Jun 7, 2014 15:16
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Pissflaps posted:What's wrong with that? They're a sports team. The only opinion they should have is regarding sports. Pissflaps posted:Maybe it's controversial because it's not a Saltire. No? I don't appreciate the implication either. tithin fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Jun 7, 2014 15:18
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Pissflaps posted:When it's Rangers? Not really. There's not necessarily a problem with it but I don't know why you're trying to play dumb when you've already basically admitted in your first line it's not quite the same as some random business doing it.
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Jun 7, 2014 15:33
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Especially since the sectarianism that surrounds Rangers and Celtic, and by extension, the use of that flag in particular.
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Jun 7, 2014 16:07
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The entire MO of Rangers FC is to insert itself unwanted to political debates, I am unsurprised.
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With all that has happened involving the old firm clubs (Celtic fans singing IRA songs at matches, the endless parade of violence) I can't say that surprises me at all. Both clubs seem to make every effort to keep the rivalry going, I assume to keep the popularity and news coverage, and the ensuing profits.
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Jun 7, 2014 17:25
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Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:They're a sports team. The only opinion they should have is regarding sports. It's unrealistic and naive to expect Scottish businesses to not have an opinion on the referendum. Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:No? I don't appreciate the implication either. Thats a shame.
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Scratch Monkey posted:Seems odd for a sports team to so thoroughly insert itself into a contentious political debate, doesn't it? Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:They're a sports team. The only opinion they should have is regarding sports. Sports and politics have been, are, and always will be intrinsically linked. I suppose you don't think various sports should have boycotted South Africa during Apartheid either?
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Jun 7, 2014 19:05
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Pissflaps posted:It's unrealistic and naive to expect Scottish businesses to not have an opinion on the referendum. I don't think anybody expected this not to happen, the Old Firm rivalry shoving its way into the independence question as a way to exploit any possible division for ticket sales is entirely predictable. That doesn't mean it's a good thing or that it constructively adds to the debate, particularly with the connotations of sectarianism inherent in the Old Firm that you seem to be ignoring. Also, it looks like you're treading pretty close to "that's just the Way Things Are, no use in complaining" here.
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Pissflaps posted:And I don't really understand the problem with them having or expressing a preference, they wouldn't be the first business to do so. Majorfucking  at calling Rangers FC a "business".
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Pasco posted:Sports and politics have been, are, and always will be intrinsically linked. 
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Pissflaps posted:It's unrealistic and naive to expect Scottish businesses to not have an opinion on the referendum. Yeah, perhaps it is naive, I won't admit that it's not, but what it is is dissapointing. And to pre-empt your next post "Why is it so disappointing, is it because they're anti-independence?" quote:Thats a shame. No need to be so snide / condescending.
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Sir Rabia Tirnova posted:Yeah, perhaps it is naive, I won't admit that it's not, but what it is is dissapointing. You pre-empted a post, but failed to respond to it. The majority of businesses I have seen (admittedly biased towards the financial sector) who expressed an opinion have been anti-independence, with the usual cited reasons being uncertainty over almost everything with a side order of UK laws may require some work to be done inside the UK. I would find it disappointing if a company was having concerns over the continued viability of an office and did not in any way let their employees know.
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Businesses that require a stable economic climate to operate are worried about the implications of the UK ceasing to exist because of a knee jerk vote during a world wide recession. Weird isn't it.
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Andy Murray has declared his unhappiness with Salmond's saltire waving stunt at Wimbledon last year and described himself as competing for Britain. I'm not sure if this is allowed or not as he is a person, but also a professional sportsman.
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Regarde Aduck posted:a stable economic climate Regarde Aduck posted:the UK Well I guess that's that settled.
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Pretty sure I've heard from somewhere that Murray votes SNP... Why do we still listen to Pissflaps anyway? I don't think he's ever contributed anything to this thread, the indyref thread, or the UKMT.
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Coohoolin posted:Pretty sure I've heard from somewhere that Murray votes SNP... I don't think so, he has lived in England and trained in the US or around the world ever since he joined the professional level. He has kept out of politics ever since the English press tore him apart over the whole "anyone but England" football comment. twoot fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Pissflaps posted:Is that bad ? Nah, not really. Nobody gives a toss about what Rangers think or Scottish football, so it's pretty irrelevant (much like the scottish football league!  )
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WMain00 posted:Nah, not really. Yeah, this. Whatever dreams Rangers had of getting into the English leagues died when the club went bust, staying in the union or not. Their flag-waving has more to do with keeping their mad orange marcher faction happy than anything else.
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Coohoolin posted:Pretty sure I've heard from somewhere that Murray votes SNP... Why would voting for the SNP make any difference ? There are a lot of SNP supporters who are also against independence, as silly as it sounds. Also, just to be clear, you're only allowed to announce your vote if your famous, if it's a yes? That seems to be the general attitude if independence supporters
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Coohoolin posted:Pretty sure I've heard from somewhere that Murray votes SNP... Would you prefer it if I put on a Scottish accent or would that distract you from your ad hominem attacks?
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Coohoolin posted:Pretty sure I've heard from somewhere that Murray votes SNP... I honestly don't know why anyone would listen to Pissflaps. On ether side. Pissflaps posted:Would you prefer it if I put on a Scottish accent or would that distract you from your ad hominem attacks? For Fucks sake, does anyone Scottish care if Cohoolin adopts the Scottish culture? Because all I ever see is the English feel slighted that he hasn't chosen to be part of the British Empire. It's racist and I'd rather it stopped appearing in these threads. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jun 9, 2014 |
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Do you actually have a dog in this fight Pissflaps? Because you sure do post a lot in the thread while not actually contributing much. Top posters for thread (max 100) User Posts Pissflaps 427 twoot 234 Jedit 222 Coohoolin 215 Iohannes 189
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I live in the uk of course I have a 'dog in the fight'. If you people really want to talk to about me then I suggest you do so via pm as this is not the thread for it. It's notable that this seems to be a coordinated attack by confirmed pro-independence posters. I'd rather talk about the issues surrounding the independence referendum.
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Gonzo McFee posted:I honestly don't know why anyone would listen to Pissflaps. On ether side. You are a joke. A borderline racist joke aswell.
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I Feast On Dogshit posted:You are a joke. A borderline racist joke aswell. Get hosed. Racism against the English isn't a thing. Every time Coohoolin posts we get the same usual suspects all piling in to talk the same bollocks about him not being Scottish therefor we all have to ignore him. That wouldn't happen if we had someone saying they loved to be British despite being born in another country. Because that would be seen as racist.
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Maybe we should all stop talking about posters and hurling ridiculous accusations of racism against white people and focus on the independence referendum. Do we have any thoughts on Andy Murray?
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Pissflaps posted:Do we have any thoughts on Andy Murray? My friend was a school with him, she says he's quite dull, not too bright, but a nice guy.
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Pissflaps posted:Maybe we should all stop talking about posters and hurling ridiculous accusations of racism against white people and focus on the independence referendum. He says your a racist too.
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keep punching joe posted:My friend was a school with him, she says he's quite dim, not too bright, but a nice guy. I bet he was good at tennis. Gonzo McFee posted:He says your a racist too. That's fine let's all move on. Were moving into the final 100 days of the campaign it's time to focus on the issues.
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The UK is a democracy and we have freedom of speech and that means sometimes people are free to have speech that we don't agree with  So it's not Pissflaps fault and besides when everyone votes Yes he'll be first against the wall 
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Gonzo McFee posted:He says your a racist too. Rather a racist than a demented troon. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I Feast On Dogshit posted:Rather a racist than a demented troon. What's wrong with a town in South Ayrshire? Also quoting this because loving hell, look at this dork talking about how it's better to be a racist than support independence. Edit: Holy poo poo I just looked it up and it looks like you're being transphobic. Jesus Christ, accurately label something once and look at the filth that crawls out. Gonzo McFee fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jun 8, 2014 |
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Jun 8, 2014 20:31
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Gonzo McFee posted:What's wrong with a town in South Ayrshire? No offence meant mate.
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I Feast On Dogshit posted:Rather a racist than a demented troon. loving HELL man. That is not ok.
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