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Obliterati posted:Does this mean that if we vote Yes Obama will gently caress us all up with drone strikes? We do have oil Scotland - 51st state?
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Pissflaps posted:State pensions aren't the only pensions. Is that not a problem for private pension companies then? I don't see how private corporations having to follow European laws (if I'm reading the article right, it's late over here) is a problem or an "uncertainty". In any case the Scottish Government seem to have it covered pretty in-depth. http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/0043/00434502.pdf tl;dr version: http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what-would-independence-mean-my-private-pension
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Jun 9, 2014 22:35
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Coohoolin posted:Is that not a problem for private pension companies then? I don't see how private corporations having to follow European laws (if I'm reading the article right, it's late over here) is a problem or an "uncertainty". It's not an uncertainty because the law is known. And yes it would be a problem for the private pension companies and therefore the pension holders who are their customers. As private pensions are just big investment funds, anything that could negatively impact that pension fund may also impact pensions.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:42
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There was a Prospect Union pensions audio Q&A posted on Wings a few weeks ago which ran through most pension things in a 3rd party neutral view: http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/ProspectUnionPensions.mp3 The TLDR on rUK-based private pensions is that any existing are protected by both UK and EU law. If the EU doesn't reform cross-border regulations like they proposed before it got shelved for interfering in the referendum then what will happen is that the providers will have to eat the cost of fully funding them which will probably cause them to close to any new Scots policies.
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Jun 9, 2014 23:05
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Pissflaps posted:State pensions aren't the only pensions. Give it a few more years eh?
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Jun 10, 2014 01:51
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Coohoolin posted:In any case the Scottish Government seem to have it covered pretty in-depth. For a supposedly serious policy document, it's one of the most amazing examples of pure bullshit I've ever read. Every section of the document reads the same. 1/ The UK is broke/broke the pensions scheme/broke immigration/hosed us over (see Chapter 1) 2/ Scotland will do things better after independence 3/ Profit! There's precious few basic examples of exactly _how_ the new Scottish government would improve things, rather than simply keep the existing system, or build a clone of the old system. For example, in the "Savings for a better retirement" section, we have new policy ideas like "launch a Financial Capability Strategy", "improve pension information" and the "development of innovative pension and savings products". Apparently the take away lesson from the Global Financial Crisis is we need more "innovation" in our financial sector, and it's especially appropriate to the pensions sector. An actually, bolded/highlighted, possibly differential policy, "make adjustments to tax relief arrangements", is preceded by the non bolded weasel words, "Future Scottish Governments might wish to". Part 49, on population is typical. "The increase in the Scottish dependency ratio over time is largely driven by slower growth in the working age population" ... I'd be really curious as to whether "slower growth" is negative growth, or a shrinking of the working age population, like it is in most developed countries. The only solution discussed is immigration, and the solution presented is "full control over economic and social policy would allow a future Scottish Government to develop a response to population pressures that squarely reflects Scotland’s demographic circumstances. For example, an independent Scotland would put in place a system of controlled migration to attract the brightest and best students and migrants to live, work and study here." That's unarguable. But it doesn't mean anything. There's no actual policy presented here. It's just, "In the future, we will do things better, because we're independent".
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Jun 10, 2014 03:53
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Does anyone think an England world cup win would be worth it for the massive massive boost it would give the yes campaign?
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Jun 11, 2014 12:00
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SuperHunBastard1690 posted:Does anyone think an England world cup win would be worth it for the massive massive boost it would give the yes campaign?
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Jun 11, 2014 12:08
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Might as well be asking if the yes campaign would get a massive boost from Cameron revealing himself to be a clone of Hitler. I have been told its coming home.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:09
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It's gonna be hilarious how many Scots suddenly remember they have an English great-grandparent if it does Come Home.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:12
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Tortuga posted:It's gonna be hilarious how many Scots suddenly remember they have an English great-grandparent if it does Come Home. I don't think you get how this works.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:13
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Tortuga posted:It's gonna be hilarious how many Scots suddenly remember they have an English great-grandparent if it does Come Home. Mathematicians discover a number that signifies nothing more than zero?
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Jun 11, 2014 12:17
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I don't think the act of winning the competition would have any effect. But the assured to be insufferable levels of media coverage and engerland vs the world gloating might do something.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:18
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twoot posted:I don't think the act of winning the competition would have any effect. But the assured to be insufferable levels of media coverage and engerland vs the world gloating might do something. Well yeah but they need to win for that. Hell, even a strong showing in the knockout rounds (lol, lol) might provide that.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:23
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Stuff happened this week: JK Rowling donated £1m to Better Together. BT have changed their slogan to "No Thanks" for the last 100 days to be a bit more direct in their tone I guess. The campaign is still called Better Together but No Thanks is going to be on all the balloons and poo poo. Gordon Brown said Cameron should debate Salmond. I'll add in links when I'm off my phone, surprised no-one is talking about any of these stories.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:24
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twoot posted:I don't think the act of winning the competition would have any effect. But the assured to be insufferable levels of media coverage and engerland vs the world gloating might do something. Is the media coverage of international football the same north of the border? I hardly ever hear about anything to do with Scotland at the world cup down here.
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Jun 11, 2014 12:36
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Hoops posted:JK Rowling donated £1m to Better Together. And is getting the now standard torrent of vile cybernat misogynist abuse for it:      I'm so glad this campaign is being held in such a positive atmosphere.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:10
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Pasco posted:And is getting the now standard torrent of vile cybernat misogynist abuse for it: This effort from registered charity 'The Dignity Project' is quite something  edit: sorry didnt see youd already posted that one.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:12
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Previously struggling single mum who benefited from welfare spending in Scotland uses newfound riches and fame support the destruction of welfare. No wonder people are bitter, it's FYGM in a nutshell.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:14
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Coohoolin posted:Previously struggling single mum who benefited from welfare spending in Scotland uses newfound riches and fame support the destruction of welfare. No wonder people are bitter, it's FYGM in a nutshell. quote:I chose to remain a domiciled taxpayer for a couple of reasons. The main one was that I wanted my children to grow up where I grew up, to have proper roots in a culture as old and magnificent as Britain’s; to be citizens, with everything that implies, of a real country, not free-floating ex-pats, living in the limbo of some tax haven and associating only with the children of similarly greedy tax exiles. - Joanne "gently caress you, got mine" Rowling LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Jun 11, 2014 13:17
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She's also donated hundreds of millions to charities.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:19
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She can think that, be pals with the Browns and Darling, and being politically ignorant not bother realising that British Labour give zero fucks anymore. Milliband keeps giving lipservice to the idea of welfare and continue promoting policies of its destruction.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:21
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It's cool if a celebrity comes out publically for independance if not ooooooooooh boy Also i'm really, really struggling to see why her donation to BT constitutes an attack on the welfare state
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Jun 11, 2014 13:29
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:It's cool if a celebrity comes out publically for independance if not ooooooooooh boy Right because the Internet unionists don't pile abuse on any prominent Yes supporter, ever. They're also never racist or sectarian. quote:Also i'm really, really struggling to see why her donation to BT constitutes an attack on the welfare state Because staying in the UK will result in the inevitable erosion of the welfare state while leaving is the only chance in hell we'll get of protecting our poor and vulnerable with any degree of sufficiency. Coohoolin fucked around with this message at 13:33 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Jun 11, 2014 13:31
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Pissflaps posted:Is the media coverage of international football the same north of the border?
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Jun 11, 2014 13:34
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Coohoolin posted:They're also never racist or sectarian. Are you claiming racism and sectarianism is a an attribute No supporters share?
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Jun 11, 2014 13:35
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Coohoolin posted:Because staying in the UK will result in the inevitable erosion of the welfare state while leaving is the only chance in hell we'll get of protecting our poor and vulnerable with any degree of sufficiency. Isn't the scottish parliament already sufficiently devolved to make it's own decisions about welfare e.g NHS Scotland being independant also 'we', lol.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:36
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Pissflaps posted:Are you claiming racism and sectarianism is a an attribute No supporters share? I'm not sure I understand the question. Share with someone else? Share amongst themselves?
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Jun 11, 2014 13:36
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Coohoolin posted:I'm not sure I understand the question. Share with someone else? Share amongst themselves? Yes, share amongst themselves. Do you think they're typically racist and sectarian?
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Jun 11, 2014 13:39
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Isn't the scottish parliament already sufficiently devolved to make it's own decisions about welfare e.g NHS Scotland being independant Did you read the Op? No tax powers to affect welfare or the NHS properly when further cuts come. Also, let's not loving do this again. Every single Scottish person ITT and the previous one has repeated, time and time again, that my residency in Scotland, partaking in Scottish culture, and interactions with and contributions to the Scottish political system make me as Scottish as someone born their.
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Jun 11, 2014 13:39
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Pissflaps posted:Yes, share amongst themselves. Do you think they're typically racist and sectarian? In my experience? Yes. British nationalists, imperial nostalgics, orangemen, protestant loyalists, and slavering royalists tend not to be the nicest bunch. The only exceptions are the deluded labourites or socialist entryists giving some kind of lipservice to a vague concept of "fewer borders".
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Jun 11, 2014 13:43
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Coohoolin posted:In my experience? Yes. British nationalists, imperial nostalgics, orangemen, protestant loyalists, and slavering royalists tend not to be the nicest bunch. The only exceptions are the deluded labourites or socialist entryists giving some kind of lipservice to a vague concept of "fewer borders". Given that the majority of polls put No firmly in the lead, do you think most of Scotland is also racist and sectarian?
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Jun 11, 2014 13:47
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Coohoolin posted:Also, let's not loving do this again. Every single Scottish person ITT and the previous one has repeated, time and time again, that my residency in Scotland, partaking in Scottish culture, and interactions with and contributions to the Scottish political system make me as Scottish as someone born their. That's patently absurd. I spent 3 months working in kenya, if i'd started putting on an accent and walked around claiming i was now as kenyan as anyone and had assimilated the complex issues of a nations politics in a short space of time i'd have been ridiculed and probably necklaced. You, having decided independance was your pet topic while at uni, can not possibly posses the same depth of insight into the culture and issues of a nation as someone who was born and grew up there. Edit: It loving winds me up that close family friends who are scottish (they are staunchley pro independance btw) have less influence in the outcome of the nation of their birth then some public school dickhead from switzerland who's playing dress up Loving Africa Chaps fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Jun 11, 2014 13:58
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Also i'm really, really struggling to see why her donation to BT constitutes an attack on the welfare state Suddenly realized BT means Better Together, not British Telecom. This thread makes more sense now. 
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Jun 11, 2014 14:04
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Pissflaps posted:Given that the majority of polls put No firmly in the lead, do you think most of Scotland is also racist and sectarian? Well if thats the case, it seems that the Yes Campaign is full of vile misogynistic people who are totally okay with violence against women.
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Jun 11, 2014 14:21
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Coohoolin posted:In my experience? Yes. British nationalists, imperial nostalgics, orangemen, protestant loyalists, and slavering royalists tend not to be the nicest bunch. The only exceptions are the deluded labourites or socialist entryists giving some kind of lipservice to a vague concept of "fewer borders". Given this whole nationalism stick has been brought up I am actually disgusted by some of the comments I am seeing in regards to Rowling being in favour of No. I have seen it repeated in a few places online that shes not a Scot therefore she shouldn't have a vote anyway; the various sentiments as shown previously calling her a oval office and a bitch. As someone who is completely impartial on this and living in the North of England I am now defiantly in favour of Scottish independence just to be shot of the complete racist bigots that seem to be prevalent in our neighbours. Also this isn't the first time this kind of language has come out in the referendum and its painting a really bad picture of Scotland and the Scottish to all outsiders.
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Jun 11, 2014 14:25
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Coohoolin posted:Previously struggling single mum who benefited from welfare spending in Scotland uses newfound riches and fame support the destruction of welfare. No wonder people are bitter, it's FYGM in a nutshell. Your issue is not with those vile responses, it's with her deciding which campaign to back?
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Jun 11, 2014 14:30
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Edit: It loving winds me up that close family friends who are scottish (they are staunchley pro independance btw) have less influence in the outcome of the nation of their birth then some public school dickhead from switzerland who's playing dress up You know that logic goes the same way for people from England/Wales/NI who live in Scotland because they weren't born in the land of Scotland? "Can't let those drat European people come here and have more rights then us Native-blood people." You also state close family friends who are Scottish implicates they aren't in Scotland as of now and that they should have the right to vote. Now are you stating that people in different parts of the UK who are scottish should have a vote or are you stating the whole of the UK should have the vote Also, Public School Dickhead? The gently caress is that about.
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Jun 11, 2014 14:31
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JK Rowling is legit awesome, end of.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:That's patently absurd. I spent 3 months working in kenya, if i'd started putting on an accent and walked around claiming i was now as kenyan as anyone and had assimilated the complex issues of a nations politics in a short space of time i'd have been ridiculed and probably necklaced. You, having decided independance was your pet topic while at uni, can not possibly posses the same depth of insight into the culture and issues of a nation as someone who was born and grew up there. Well thanks for clearing that up, I'll go tell my Turkish neighbours they're not real Germans.
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