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Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I'd be drat proud to clean space junk if it meant paving the way for more space exploration

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monkey
Jan 20, 2004

by zen death robot
Yams Fan

The Protagonist posted:

The more I learn the more I likely I feel that there are no cosmological singularities, but rather a pocket of inverted spacetime within each blackhole, with we ourselves inhabiting one. It just seems to match the repeated symmetry/evolutionary nature of everything else we've just begun to understand.

This in no way explains the origins of anything, ofc, but at least we can do away with the absurdity of infinite density...instead we have possibly infinitely nested, inverted spacetimes either extending outwards forever or possibly wrapping back around upon itself.

:lsd:

I like to think this is the way things are as well. Also, because these dimensions are inside out or whatever, it is conceivable that every particle that ever falls into a black hole anywhere, any time in Universe A ends up in exactly the same point of spacetime in Universe B (ie. their bing bang event.)

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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it just occurred to me that having a natural satellite also might give humans an edge since not all planets have moons and a moon is a great leaping off point to settling other planets

the night dad
Oct 23, 2006

by XyloJW

d3c0y2 posted:

There was a really shitily amazing book series that I forget the name of just now which involved two incredibly peaceful but diametrically opposed civilizations fighting a very low violence war for eons against each other because while they realise war is inevitable between the two of them they both abhor violence to such a degree that they can't bring themselves to just start vapourising each other.

Then one stupid idiot works out their civilisation will eventually lose, discovers humankind and despite being like "well gently caress these guys are all sociopathic violent maniacs" decides to uplift them to an interstellar race. Humankinds only talent is pure, suicidal war and they end up obliterating the other side within like 200 years. Then everyone realises they're probably next and it's too late to put humanity back on the rock they found them.

What I'm trying to say is Aliens are probably idiots ripe for conquering.

Each sci-fi book that tries to have a moral lesson at the end summarizing how evil humans are just makes me even more eager to conquer the the other nerdlinger races of the universe.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Fojar38 posted:

it just occurred to me that having a natural satellite also might give humans an edge since not all planets have moons and a moon is a great leaping off point to settling other planets

not only that, we have a sister planet ripe for colonizing that can conceivably be terraformed after a few hundred years of loving around on the planet. we didn't do so badly in the solar system lottery

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
Somewhere an earthlike planet has a tropical oceanic moon covered by millions of uninhabited archipelagos

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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also as far as star density is concerned arent we in the rear end end of nowhere

which could explain the fermi paradox

the night dad
Oct 23, 2006

by XyloJW
It's just god's way of telling us to go interstellar crusade on some alien infidels (and get a few alien doubloons in the process)

naem
May 29, 2011

This is a good book

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem

The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.
Yeah, but too many stars in the neighborhood could mean increased radiation, comet pitching matches, stellar explosions, and so on... all complex life might only have a good shot at maturing in the boonies

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Fojar38 posted:

also as far as star density is concerned arent we in the rear end end of nowhere

which could explain the fermi paradox

Yup, even our local cluster isn't that dense compared to some others nearby

The Protagonist posted:

Yeah, but too many stars in the neighborhood could mean increased radiation, comet pitching matches, stellar explosions, and so on... all complex life might only have a good shot at maturing in the boonies

Seems likely. It gets really chaotic the closer you get to the center.

the night dad
Oct 23, 2006

by XyloJW

the night dad posted:

It's just god's way of telling us to go interstellar crusade on some alien infidels (and get a few alien doubloons in the process)

Peppercorn:
3 ducats a bag in India
80 ducats a bag in Alexandria
120 ducats a bag in Venice
???? ducats to the people of stankworld-5

Lots of opportunities for cash here, folks.

Ocean Book
Sep 27, 2010

:yum: - hi

redshirt posted:

I think time stops. Time is a function of change in space.

but does vacuum fluctuation happen at thermodynamic equilibrium? and if it does, does it not happen as a function of time? or does time stop until vacuum fluctuation produces thermodynamic disequilibrium? but how could vacuum fluctuation happen if time stops?

maybe time in some senses stops and in other senses doesn't stop.

The Protagonist posted:

Yep! So now the really cool mystery is why does nothing itself seem to result in an inevitable something.

The classic existentialist question is undeservedly the boring 'what is the meaning of life?', but the way awesome and super cool existentialist question is 'Why is there something instead of nothing?' I don't actually know.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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once humans have transformed into beings of pure energy we will probably be able to survive the heat death

the night dad
Oct 23, 2006

by XyloJW

Fojar38 posted:

once humans have transformed into beings of pure energy we will probably be able to survive the heat death

I'm looking forward more to the JO crystal trans-human experience, tbh.

concerned mom
Apr 22, 2003

by Lowtax
Grimey Drawer
guys can someone please explain to me waht the great attractor is. Is it the centre of the universe? If there's a centre is there a boundary and an outside?

onedayholiday
Dec 6, 2013

Grimey Drawer
if we can only grasp our true and divine nature we can ascent to the stars

*stuffs handful of cheetos into mouth*

Cyberball 2072
Feb 17, 2014

by Lowtax
What was before the big bang? Do we know that yet in theory?

I don't know why but the vast universe is my favorite thing, don't care about the ocean or jungles or medicine, just want to read about quasars and dark matter all day.

Cyberball 2072 fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jun 5, 2014

Drunk Driver Dad
Feb 18, 2005

quote:

There was a really shitily amazing book series that I forget the name of just now which involved two incredibly peaceful but diametrically opposed civilizations fighting a very low violence war for eons against each other because while they realise war is inevitable between the two of them they both abhor violence to such a degree that they can't bring themselves to just start vapourising each other.

Then one stupid idiot works out their civilisation will eventually lose, discovers humankind and despite being like "well gently caress these guys are all sociopathic violent maniacs" decides to uplift them to an interstellar race. Humankinds only talent is pure, suicidal war and they end up obliterating the other side within like 200 years. Then everyone realises they're probably next and it's too late to put humanity back on the rock they found them.

What I'm trying to say is Aliens are probably idiots ripe for conquering.

what book is this?

LittleRedShark
May 11, 2014
The star Betelgeuse is so big (and at the end of its life cycle) that when it goes through the final death process (iron being unable to fuse and the whole star exploding) the hypernova would be so bright it would be like a second moon. This could have happened, be happening right now, or happen sometime soon, we don't know because of it being so far away and all that fun stuff.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
is the 'now' of a moment able to propagate faster than the speed of light? or is there no now but the now of my matter??

concerned mom
Apr 22, 2003

by Lowtax
Grimey Drawer

Orkin Mang posted:

is the 'now' of a moment able to propagate faster than the speed of light? or is there no now but the now of my matter??

do you mean like can a particle turn in to another particle faster than the speed of light etc? Probably not.

Source: I am unqualified

baw
Nov 5, 2008

RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY
"now" is relative

Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib

Orkin Mang posted:

is the 'now' of a moment able to propagate faster than the speed of light? or is there no now but the now of my matter??

this doesn't make that much sense, but phenomena may exceed the speed of light in a vacuum- the requirement is that they not transmit information faster than light. Wave a laser fast enough, and the dot will move faster than light. The phase velocity of x-rays in glass is usually faster than light. The relative velocities between two moving objects under general relativity may exceed that of light, and there are galaxies we can observe moving faster than light relative to us. Finally, the synchronicity between entangled particles appears to 'move' at around 10,000 times the speed of light.

Four Score
Feb 27, 2014

by zen death robot
Lipstick Apathy
why are you guys always such faggots about space

I am OK
Mar 9, 2009

LAWL

Cyberball 2072 posted:

What was before the big bang? Do we know that yet in theory?


no. You can rewind time to like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds after the big bang but not before. It's pretty lame.,

a star war betamax
Sep 17, 2011

by Lowtax
Gary’s Answer

baku posted:



Cool how did hey take this picture?

curse of flubber
Mar 12, 2007
I CAN'T HELP BUT DERAIL THREADS WITH MY VERY PRESENCE

I ALSO HAVE A CLOUD OF DEDICATED IDIOTS FOLLOWING ME SHITTING UP EVERY THREAD I POST IN

IGNORE ME AND ANY DINOSAUR THAT FIGHTS WITH ME BECAUSE WE JUST CAN'T SHUT UP
What if we find out the universe is just like the moon and the earth and the rest of that poo poo is just really small.

~makes u think~

Serjeant Snubbin
Feb 1, 2002

Pillbug

PlantRobot posted:

made by dyson i see
Made by Astronomer Neil Degrasse Dyson.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

A good book and worth a read. I read it twice!

Iseeyouseemeseeyou
Jan 3, 2011

Fojar38 posted:

when you think about it the sheer size and quantity of universes combined with the fact that they have no beginning or end means that anything that can happen has happened and will happen again

so when you die dont worry you will come back to life in 100 quadrillion years and will be gay

:okpos:

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

Ocean Book posted:

but does vacuum fluctuation happen at thermodynamic equilibrium? and if it does, does it not happen as a function of time? or does time stop until vacuum fluctuation produces thermodynamic disequilibrium? but how could vacuum fluctuation happen if time stops?


More specifically, like Einstein says, isn't time inseparably linked with matter? Spacetime? Does energy actually experience time, or only matter?

Does time exist for quarks?

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...

Yaos
Feb 22, 2003

She is a cat of significant gravy.
I remember reading a cool short story about FTL travel, I wish I could find it again because it owned. In the story FTL travel was really easy to figure out, and everybody but Earth figured it out when they were in the pre-industrial age. In the story some space craft is coming after Earth and because Earth does not have FTL travel so the aliens assume Earth is some backwards planet full of idiots they can conquer.

The description of the alien spacecraft is cool, they are stuck with 1700's equivilent technology so they light the spacecraft with lanterns and candles, and the whole ship smells like poo poo because they have no way to vent their poops.

So they think Earth is full of idiots, and it will be an easy fight to conquer the planet. As the ship descends they get buzzed by some military planes and they are all like "wtf how can they have this poo poo". They know from experience when they land there will be a huge crowd of idiots, so the first thing they do when they land is start firing their cannons (as in cannon balls) and form ranks to start killing everybody with their superior muzzle loaded guns.

The crowd on the ground consists of a bunch of regular people, and I think the Mayor of the city they were landing in had gotten a band together to welcome the aliens. Unfortunately for the space aliens the military also showed up.

So the aliens get close to landing and they are like "wtf, how did they make all these buildings". They land and form ranks, and before they can even start firing the the Earth military dudes realize what they are doing but they can't start shooting because of their ROE. The alien ship starts shooting buildings with it's cannon balls and the aliens get off one volley before the Earth military opens up with their machine guns.

The commander of the aliens is like "holy poo poo what's that sound" as he watches his alien comrades get mowed down. The alien commander also gets hit but he doesn't die.

We then move to what I think is a military hospital or something. The alien commander expects to be tortured because that's what everybody else does, but is surprised that they are trying to heal him and trying to figure out his language.

In the end he realizes he screwed up by landing on the planet, because now Earth has FTL travel and has technology centuries beyond everybody else.

Edit: It reminds me of Stargate. The aliens have all this advanced technology but still fight in ranks and jaffa waves and light their ships with fire.

Yaos fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Jun 5, 2014

concerned mom
Apr 22, 2003

by Lowtax
Grimey Drawer
cool I read some goosebumps books as a kid too

Yaos
Feb 22, 2003

She is a cat of significant gravy.

concerned mom posted:

cool I read some goosebumps books as a kid too

It wasn't a goosebumps book you baka gajin.

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


whole lotta poo poo goin on ITU (in this universe)

Butthead
May 31, 2011
What's awesome is that the smarter humans get, the more they realize they are forever doomed.

Like 2,000 years ago, we thought everything was made specifically for us and we'd forever exist. The funny part is some of us didn't get smarter and still believe that.

concerned mom
Apr 22, 2003

by Lowtax
Grimey Drawer
one thing that sucks is that going to space will p much start the immortality of humankind as a species but unless we find a planet thats like within 10% the size n stuff of earth your bodies won't be able to handle it. I guess or something.

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Brannock
Feb 9, 2006

by exmarx
Fallen Rib

Robo Reagan posted:

Oh? Last I heard they said that wasn't a very quick way to do it, but I suppose the sand trick isn't all that fast either. The proper solution is to clean that poo poo up before it becomes a problem anyway so look forward to NASA becoming space janitors possibly within our lifetimes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetes

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