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greatn posted:You're being idiotic here. Saying adultery is immoral doesn't mean believing a spouse should control their partner's sexuality and body. That's loving ridiculous. Monogomy is not something to be legislated. Immorality cannot be legislated, especially when it's built on religious principles that are far from universal. In short, a religious minority wants to legislate their beliefs, imposing them on the rest of the country. gently caress anyone who supports this. You seem to support legislating religious principles, so gently caress you, too.
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joeburz posted:Glad I re-read the OP because somehow I missed this last time. #bringbackdog #stillagooddoggy
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JT Jag posted:When Sandy Hook happened I was basically catatonic for an entire day. Psh. I was disillusioned after Columbine. You have some catching up to do.
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...and the gunman/men walk calmly down the center of the hall and kick off the blankets to <God what a horrible image, I can't continue>... Bottom line: these blankets look as useful as a single handwarmer in a blizzard.
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Magres posted:Do you mean AND instead of OR? Cause I'm pretty confident a sweep of public works projects making a bunch of jobs that literally did not exist before would lower unemployment. Look at it this way: labor costs are low; borrowing costs are low; material costs are somewhat low. If not now, then when will we ever have a better chance to build some cool poo poo?
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Jun 12, 2014 22:33
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Paying someone else's parking meters leads to an inefficient allocation of parking spots. If the person who parked valued the spot over letting someone else park there, they would have paid for the limited parking space I don't care about that. I care about whether the meter gets paid.
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Jun 19, 2014 00:17
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:If they're out there filling meters, regardless of whether or not enforcement is out writing tickets, I'm okay with it. There. Is. Money. In. The. Meter.
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Jun 19, 2014 00:27
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Dapper Dan posted:The loops of logic he must go through. Grocery chains love Food Stamps because they get more business. More business equals more profit. More profit equals more money/hours they can pay/give their employees. We seriously need a basic 'critical thinking' course in high schools because Americans seriously cannot do it to save their loving lives. I still chuckle at the outpouring of news articles about store profits dropping after the Food Stamp cuts, because the same jackholes whining about pro-business legislation started pulling their hair out over the mysterious loss of business.
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Jun 20, 2014 23:52
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Zombie Samurai posted:We've reached the point where we all just put Amergin on ignore and move on with our lives, right? Because I'd really like to do that but I want to make sure people aren't going to be quoting him constantly. I've had his ignorant rear end on ignore for well over a month now. I'm happier for it, though every once in a while I feel an intense desire to quote him and reply 'SHUT UP' like I used to. It's the only response that he warrants.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:20
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Furthermore, birth control is a medication, and a prescription drug at that. There is ZERO reason an insurance plan should not cover it.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:25
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evilweasel posted:As a radical environmentalist of some religious persuasion that I can't be bothered to invent right now, I find it abhorrent that I am required to pay you enough for you to not starve and die as the earth would be better off with less people on it. The minimum wage law is an affront to my religion. I could see another company's owners going all Fundie and wanting to forbid antibiotics and vaccines because RELIGION! If Hobby Lobby wins...*shudder*
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Jun 27, 2014 18:43
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VitalSigns posted:And any woman who couldn't afford IUDs if she were paid $2/hr but can when she's paid $7/hr means that the immoral minimum wage law is costing Hobby Lobby money that's going to pay for something they find reprehensible. What I find most disturbing is as someone else put it earlier: corporate entities "finding" Jesus. That frightens me, because it's one step closer to corporations holding public office and being counted as "citizens".
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Jun 27, 2014 18:49
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Yeh but Eisenhower Republicans are totally different from the Reaganites that plague Washington these days. I dare say it's not even the same party.
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Jun 28, 2014 04:58
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Fried Chicken posted:I'd agree. I'm definitely an Eisenhower style Republican though, as the closest analog to anything we have in recent American political history. Congratulations on becoming a Modern Democrat. Your prancing donkey bumper sticker is in the mail. anonumos fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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DeusExMachinima posted:
 "Your honor, we have an army of volunteer escorts because our patients will be insulted, spit on, pushed, punched, doused with water (and even worse substances) and shamed just for seeking low cost healthcare that may not even include abortions. Can we please mandate a clear area around the clinic doors, because these protesters are loving animals." "No. Eat poo poo and die."
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Jun 29, 2014 03:39
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Every person I know who is younger than me works their rear end off. Blanket statements aimed at "lazy millennials" will be met with a swift punch to the throat. Those who have jobs work extra hours (which are largely unpaid). Those who don't hump rear end to scratch the change together to live another day, including helping their families, volunteering, and doing odd-jobs for neighbors and friends. So gently caress off with the generational hate. Millenials know how to work hard.
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Jun 30, 2014 23:20
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Silver Nitrate posted:Can someone point me to a good summary of the immigration speech Obama gave today? "This loving congress...amirite?"
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tbp posted:To be fair I think there is a big aversion against manual labor but it's less about work ethic and more about perceived status. No, there isn't any such aversion. My friends (and both younger brothers) would jump at a manual labor job. My youngest brother is in construction with fewer hours than he'd like and the other travels across town for odd jobs. You need to stop hanging out with privileged rich pricks, but whatever.
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I can't believe this needs to be brought up over and over again on these forums: Canada ran an experiment with guaranteed minimum income; guess who stopped working. Was it grown men with lazy genes? Nope. New mothers and teenage students. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mincome quote:A final report was never issued, but Dr. Evelyn Forget (/fɔrˈʒeɪ/) conducted an analysis of the program in 2009 which was published in 2011.[4][5] She found that only new mothers and teenagers worked substantially less. Mothers with newborns stopped working because they wanted to stay at home longer with their babies, and teenagers worked less because they weren't under as much pressure to support their families, which resulted in more teenagers graduating. In addition, those who continued to work were given more opportunities to choose what type of work they did. Forget found that in the period that Mincome was administered, hospital visits dropped 8.5 percent, with fewer incidents of work-related injuries, and fewer emergency room visits from car accidents and domestic abuse.[6] Additionally, the period saw a reduction in rates of psychiatric hospitalization, and in the number of mental illness-related consultations with health professionals.[7][8] quote:Mothers spent more time rearing newborns, and the educational impacts are regarded as a success. Students in these families showed higher test scores and lower dropout rates. There was also an increase in adults continuing education.[3][4] Nobody wants to work for gruel and a cot. They want Nikes, Audis, and gold jewelry. Why, if having your basic needs met caused widespread laziness, why do wealthy bankers and lawyers continue to work 80hrs/wk long after they have their Nikes, Audis, and gold jewelry? It's almost as if the poor are considered inferior as a category, with their motives and needs placed under an unfair double standard as those who are rich. "We can't provide welfare because it makes poor people lazy, but trust funds don't make rich people lazy because reasons..." anonumos fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Dante Logos posted:What is interesting to me is that the Next Generation Left group is somewhat evenly divided on the issue. What does this mean for the next generation of leftists? http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/typology-comparison/types/next-generation-left/ quote:Young, well-educated and financially comfortable, the Next Generation Left have very liberal attitudes on many issues, including homosexuality and abortion, the environment and foreign policy. They are supportive of an activist government, but wary of expanding the social safety net. They also have relatively positive views of Wall Street’s impact on the economy. While most affiliate with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, few consider themselves strong Democrats. Next Generation Left: Not Very Left. http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/typology-comparison/types/hard-pressed-skeptics/ quote:Deeply financially-stressed and distrustful of government, Hard-Pressed Skeptics lean toward the Democratic Party but have reservations about both political parties. They want government to do more to solve problems, but have doubts about its efficiency. Hard-Pressed Skeptics are dissatisfied with conditions in the country and their communities. They are among the most cynical about the ability of individuals to improve their lot through hard work. These attitudes may reflect their distressed financial conditions: Hard-Pressed Skeptics have the lowest family incomes of any of the typology groups. Hard-Pressed Skeptics: The True Left
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ToxicSlurpee posted:One of the biggest issues relating to jobs and college is that, in the past, drat near all the work that needed done was somehow menial. However, increased automation has absolutely destroyed a lot of jobs that formerly entailed a lot of repetitive work. Part of the reason that a college degree is required to get a job is because the jobs for those with no highly developed skills are a dying variety. Nobody hires 50 guys with shovels to go dig poo poo up any more. Now it's done by a trained guy on an excavator. Keep track of stocks was done by people with pencils and clipboards. Now it's done almost entirely by computer with a few people to check and make sure the numbers didn't get hosed up. Do keep in mind that these days the excavator may be run by one trained guy, but 49 other people are still employed in other ways. (Well, not exactly, it may be more it may be less.) The point is that while we don't need 50 ditch diggers, we do need 50 of something. Edit, you do address this in the next paragraph, sorry. quote:A very, very good argument in favor of making education free and unlimited is that we just flat out don't need everybody to work anymore. Why not just cut them loose in the education system and see what neat innovations they come up with or how much stuff they learn? If nothing else it will give them something to do all day. Instead, however, we're saddling everybody that wants to not live in poverty with a massive debt, lovely job prospects, and a system that loving hates anybody that isn't rich and punishes them for it.
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socialsecurity posted:But we don't there literally are not enough jobs for every single person to have one. Not as the jobs are currently defined, no. But I can point to almost any "increasingly automated" industry and show new jobs created on the 'periphery', so to speak. When building trusses became "engineered" by computers and "manufactured" centrally instead of hand-framed on the job site, jobs moved from the framing crews to the factory manning presses or sitting at a computer. It may not be 1-to-1, but opportunities opened up elsewhere. I guess I object to the undertone that "Maybe we should keep the ditch digger jobs because what else are ditch diggers going to do?" It's a concern troll aimed at processes that are not always destructive. It also completely ignores scaling effects. Those 50 ditch diggers may still be ditch diggers, but there are 50 more projects instead of the one (ie. increased production enabled by automation that still employs the same number of people). Dr. Arbitrary posted:There's plenty of work to be done, just not a lot of jobs. Well said.
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Prosopagnosiac posted:Yeah there's a lot of work that could be done, especially with regard to national infrastructure. We could get people working doing that! After a while, there'd be a good amount of progress made in improving our country. Hmmm. A Works...Progress group? Agency? Administration! Another thing going for a WPA is that all those federal workers returned to private employ with new skills, modern understanding of work processes, Quality Control, etc. Private business benefited enormously from the WPA, for decades after the programs officially ended.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The job ratio is almost never 1:1. If you automate something even if people need to maintain and staff the machinery it ends up taking fewer people, overall. Food is the most obvious place where this happened. Whereas in the past almost everybody was a farmer you have cases like the U.S. where a single digit percentage of people farm. It's mostly mechanized now with fewer and fewer people farming more and more land. Even when you account for maintaining the machinery it, overall, takes far less effort and far fewer people to feed everybody. What, exactly, do we do with the people that no longer have work? I totally agree. I'm just splitting hairs about automation. Really though, part of that "redirecting the lost effort somewhere" is ensuring people are positioned to start businesses, make new products, create artwork, or otherwise innovate and push the economy outward. Right now, a guy in the ghetto isn't going to do all that. He's busy hustling or trying very hard to snag one of the last few defined "jobs" that some rich douche thinks we need. There really needs to be a treatise on the "defense of idleness". I'm all for a guaranteed minimum lifestyle that frees people up to innovate while sustaining general demand. I laugh at the "plight" of retailers that cater to low-income workers...said retailers are now suffering because what low-income worker has any disposable income atm?
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Jarmak posted:No, its a statement that the line has to be drawn somewhere. Maybe in our increasingly high-skill and intellectually based economy college should be the new high school. But that stupid rear end reasoning works both ways, why shouldn't we all be in school until we're 25? 30? I also like the idea of extending state education to a 4 year degree (ie. elementary, middle, and high school are now mandated by the public as well as paid for at a minimum standard, so why not college, too). With increased life expectancy and the incredibly high standard of scientific literacy in our advanced society, a person's 20s are equivalent to the teenage years for previous generations. And, perhaps we should be trying to send everyone we can to college, because the future is not full of ditch diggers and fruit pickers, it's full of machinists and researchers and artists. I think it would benefit us all if college degrees became the new GED.
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Joementum posted:Virginia Del. Joseph Morrissey (D.) is accused of sleeping with a 17 year old girl, let's see how he handles the press conference. I don't understand. Who hacked his phone? I can't find anything more about it other than "he was indicted".
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I saw a comparison of Orwell and Huxley that boiled down to Orwell believing the things we hate will destroy us while Huxley believed the things we love will destroy us. Orwell thought we'd be brutal and oppressive with few bodily pleasures; Huxley thought we'd be oblivious and over-sated by bodily pleasures. It was intriguing to say the least... edit: Found the webcomic people mentioned before: http://biblioklept.org/2013/06/08/huxley-vs-orwell-the-webcomic-2/  Also, the migrant refugee problem is appalling every time I read about it, but nothing upsets me more than hearing Americans protest their country's own mechanisms for dealing with the influx. These people disgust me. anonumos fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Jul 2, 2014 10:44
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:It's basically the Geico effect. Geico inundates the media with commercials claiming that they have the lowest insurance prices. Whether it's true or not it's so pervasive that a lot of people are just going to assume its true without looking into it. The same applies to talking points that go unchallenged in politics. EX: Debt is always bad. Geico is only cheaper if you've been with them forever. They're the only insurer I've used in my entire life and my premiums are lower than any other quote I've ever gotten. Other companies' premiums are higher and higher each time I check.
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Yeh, Carter gets all the hate from the right wing. They think/say he's stupid, backwards, illiterate, bumbling, and basically everything he ain't. It's sickening how revisionist America's memory is.
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computer parts posted:Many Americans don't approve of the ACA because it doesn't go far enough. What are the latest polls regarding UHC?
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ComradeCosmobot posted:He's only half-right. "Too liberal" and "not liberal enough" are bullshit qualifications. The average person doesn't know what would be more "liberal" because "liberal" is a slanderous term now.
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effectual posted:Re: hobby lobby "It is God's Plan, as told to us by that guy, who says that that guy says that God speaks to him."
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Necc0 posted:AFAIK PayPal is regulated the same as any bank now, and have been for a while. PayPal is still ridiculously anti-consumer, and will snap up your wallet in a heartbeat and make you dance a tango in a bonfire to get it back.
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