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Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Effectronica posted:

i would rank tolkien as somewhat higher up than most fantasy types give him credit for, but that's a good list. i also like tim powers and caitlin kiernan.

caitlin kiernan posted:

"Anyone can come up with the artifice/conceit of a 'good story.' Story bores me. Which is why critics complain it's the weakest aspect of my work. Because that's essentially purposeful. I have no real interest in plot. Atmosphere, mood, language, character, theme, etc., that's the stuff that fascinates me. Ulysses should have freed writers from plot."

discovering new dinosaurs and dunking on narrative, i like her already

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Effectronica
May 31, 2011
Fallen Rib

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

discovering new dinosaurs and dunking on narrative, i like her already

the red tree is about a woman having a breakdown and falling prey to the titular tree because her girlfriend was into online fetish stuff and i had a big smile on my horrible, jaded face for the entire second half of the book

a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:
more like GAYme of thrones amirite?

no one has ever posted or said that before now and i refuse to read the rest of the thread

Cursed Lumberjack
Nov 14, 2006
A rather unfortunate logger indeed.

Effectronica posted:

i would rank tolkien as somewhat higher up than most fantasy types give him credit for, but that's a good list. i also like tim powers and caitlin kiernan.

i mean, fantasy as a whole is really really poo poo. like, really poo poo. one would think that, like all other genres, something would eventually come along with relevant themes and deep meaning important to the human existence, but nope!

the fact that tolkien has no rapes and no incest (elf family trees notwithstanding) and maintains a coherent and logical storyline is all he needed to stand out in fantasy. he was a boring writer but at least he wasnt a total idiot

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Disconnecticus
Oct 21, 2012

Wait, like, actual money?
Like it or not incestuous siblings, naked whore tits and wisecracking dwarfs are live wires in the uncultured zeitgeist and it all tracks back to Dr. Tolkien.

porkchop_express
May 27, 2004
aint no wot thats for sure
rip rj

nomadologique
Mar 9, 2011

DUNK A DILL PICKLE REALDO
sucks so badLY

adverbs op

porkchop_express
May 27, 2004

Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:

You need a weed wizard for it to be high fantasy.
do it

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redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.
Tolkien had incest in the feel good story of Turin and his sister.

Pretty dark stuff too.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

nomadologique posted:

sucks so badLY

adverbs op

sucks so badly implies the sucking is not good

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

gene wolfe if you want command of language, ursula leguin or china mieville if you want political consciousness (mieville is inconsistent because at his worst he's like a marginally less lovely neil gaiman but at his best you get stuff like embassytown or iron council), roger zelazny or michael moorcock if you want to see someone take the basic forms and assumptions of pulp paperback fantasy and do clever things with it

basically if you approach literature as the pursuit of form and technique then yes, fantasy isn't worth your time. there's no intrinsic reason it couldn't do those things but the people who are attracted to writing fantasy have neither the inclination nor the ability and it creates an endless feedback loop.

but if you're a great big nerd like me and would like to see the genre de-ghettoize itself some day the first baby step is making it not retarded on a thematic and sociopolitical level, which is why i recommend stuff like the above whenever i get the chance

i actually really loving dig sandman and anansi boys and american gods are at least entertaining if flawed and accessible works. i could def understand how people would not like him

Butthead
May 31, 2011

redshirt posted:

The Mountain sort of lives.

I'm pretty sure he died too, just a few seconds after the other guy. Even if he didn't immediately die, I don't think they are fixing those wounds with their voodoo medicine.

Hobohemian
Sep 30, 2005

by XyloJW

Butthead posted:

I'm pretty sure he died too, just a few seconds after the other guy. Even if he didn't immediately die, I don't think they are fixing those wounds with their voodoo medicine.

No he becomes like a robot thing later on.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

Butthead posted:

I'm pretty sure he died too, just a few seconds after the other guy. Even if he didn't immediately die, I don't think they are fixing those wounds with their voodoo medicine.

I tell you The Mountain LIVES!

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020
OP, where do whores go?

Pththya-lyi
Nov 8, 2009

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2020

etalian posted:

If you want cheesy entertaining pulp it's tough to beat the Conan the barbarian stories

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
game of thrones has amazing production values and acting. it's too bad the plot is total poo poo the show itself actively fights against you getting invested with any of them except, maybe, daenerys

it's literally the most cynical example of 'what sells' in recent memory - show people tits and violence and grimdark 'maturity' and people will snap it up like sweet crack

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'
i mean they literally hire porn stars to play their female roles jfc

MOOBS!
Dec 10, 2013

a dream of spring: daenerys targaryen develops skin cancer and dies with a loyal eunuch by her side


(bleach her loving eyebrows for gods sake)

hemale in pain
Jun 5, 2010




Milky Moor posted:

game of thrones has amazing production values and acting. it's too bad the plot is total poo poo the show itself actively fights against you getting invested with any of them except, maybe, daenerys

it's literally the most cynical example of 'what sells' in recent memory - show people tits and violence and grimdark 'maturity' and people will snap it up like sweet crack

hahahahaha

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


who cares about cracka kinte, she ain't gonna do poo poo that matters for the next 500 seasons

MOOBS!
Dec 10, 2013

The Brown Menace posted:

who cares about cracka kinte, she ain't gonna do poo poo that matters for the next 500 seasons

no see someone has to be a mother to dra

how can i hate you when you are always on the mark brown menace

i am he
Feb 4, 2014

i stopped watching once daenrays started sucking and loving the dragonspqwn

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

i don't loving know i haven't watched past the first episode of the second season and she seems to be the only one not dead

GlennFinito
Oct 15, 2013
One of the best things about the television version of GoT are the fan meltdowns about character death. Jon Snow's will be particularly delicious

Who Is Paul Blart
Oct 22, 2010
i don't even own a tv :anime:

The Droid
Jun 11, 2012

Professor Tomtom posted:

i don't even own a tv :anime:

I don't see how disliking this poo poo


i am he posted:

i stopped watching once daenrays started sucking and loving the dragonspqwn

is automatically a case of not liking something just because it is popular

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

prezbuluskey posted:

some midget homo jerked off some dude and some homo blonde girl ate out a dragon who cares

NO gently caress YOU OP!

Sancho
Jul 18, 2003

who else is excited for ep 9 tonight???

Germstore
Oct 17, 2012

A Serious Candidate For a Serious Time
I don't like GoT because I'm too cool for school.

Gaunab
Feb 13, 2012
LUFTHANSA YOU FUCKING DICKWEASEL
no you're not

Lumpy the Cook
Feb 4, 2011

Drippy-goo-yay, mother-gunker!
I haven't seen Game of Thrones, but I hear normalfags talk about it a lot so it's probably bland, soulless poo poo. I only watch Thai Game Shows and Portuguese Dramas That Maybe Two Other Americans Total Have Watched.

Elbo
Oct 9, 2012

redshirt posted:

Tolkien had incest in the feel good story of Turin and his sister.

Pretty dark stuff too.

He's the one with the shroud right

Or was that a different fantasy novel

Knight
Dec 23, 2000

SPACE-A-HOLIC
Taco Defender
GoT is popular? I've never heard of it outside of these forums, and it's only complaints when it is brought up. You must be confused because I don't think anyone likes that show. You should stop talking about it.

redshirt
Aug 11, 2007

Reporting for shovel mission Sir.

Elbo posted:

He's the one with the shroud right

Or was that a different fantasy novel

Shroud?


Turin was a dick who dicked around Middle Earth and cucked an elf then hosed his sister then died.

Harime Nui
Apr 15, 2008

The New Insincerity

Disconnecticus posted:

Like it or not incestuous siblings, naked whore tits and wisecracking dwarfs are live wires in the uncultured zeitgeist and it all tracks back to Dr. Tolkien.

Fuck Your Website
Nov 29, 2003
FUCK YOU, AND FUCK YOUR WEBSITE
If you talk about 'production values' seriously you gay

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
can't wait for the mannis

Guildenstern Mother
Mar 31, 2010

Why walk when you can ride?
So I read the first two books, and decided that GRRM was a cock, and that I was done with all that nonsense, but now the bf is into the show, and I'm trying to convince him that its all poo poo. Any tips from the pros?

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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

WanderingMinstrel I posted:

So I read the first two books, and decided that GRRM was a cock, and that I was done with all that nonsense, but now the bf is into the show, and I'm trying to convince him that its all poo poo. Any tips from the pros?

just let him read it and come to his own conclusions

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