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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

The waste areas can be pretty nasty irregular sand with varying consistency under it, and it's probably going to be even more irregular with more foot traffic. It really depends on where your ball is, a lie to chip out from can be within inches of a lie you can go for it from. It was looking real thick with wiregrass and other stuff, although where I got to take a look at it earlier today was by 13 green and that's always been thick, one of the few places you could really lose a ball in regular conditions.

I wouldn't be surprised if they hit more fairways, they're pretty wide, but the areas where the fairways get tighter make for some interesting decisions.

I kinda can't wait to try and camp out with a view to 5 green, that saddle shaped thing is going to be amazing with longer shots coming in.

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xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Yep. Should be fun. There doesn't seem to be a real agreement on how to play the course, and it looked like the waste was making things interesting for guys coming out of it. They could play from it, but it wasn't looking like they were consistent, especially on longer shots.

Also, got a feeling Colesaerts might impress. He looked real good on Tuesday. He hit some long and accurate drives, and made a birdie on hole 2 look easy.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Taerkar posted:

Oh how I do like low-score majors.

Edit: Bubba fought the course, and the course won.

I'll confess, I might've laughed a bit when I saw Toms put his ball on the green and back off the other side on three and five.

Forgive me but after reading those greens for a year, I'm gonna cackle a bit when the pros mess that stuff up.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Bastard. I wanted that Phil rally.

thebushcommander posted:

I shall be out on the course tomorrow morning at 10am. Will be interesting to see "changes" on the course from the last time I was there (2005 US Open). Now I just have to figure out how to wake up at 7am on a Saturday.

I only got to play there once before the renovation, but it's interesting. Fairways got wider, opened up some nice tricky angles, edges are hardpan for the danger of rolling in, and there's literally no rough, just waste. I personally really like the way it plays after the changes.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

Yeah, I find four nice, but it's generic resort nice. Plus the greens play basically flat. Confused me no end when people took caddies there. Now eight on the other hand is real nice in my opinion. Good variation between holes and some interesting strategy to more than a few of them.

substitute posted:

Heard that the greens are basically turtle shells now. Sounds like no fun.

Now? They've been that way a long time (read I'm pretty sure they've been continually growing since Ross finally got grass on them until relatively recently). Good planning and angles mitigate that a lot. A decent amount of the time this boils down to putting it where it's more likely to be on or roll off to a nice area to chip from rather than a bunker.

In my experience the course is actually playable for even really bad golfers way more than any other US Open venue I've been on (Ocean Course and Bethpage Black) and is still an interesting challenge rather than just brutally hard till you get to the 30s handicaps. A lot of that is the angles and planning to mitigate the unfriendliness of the greens to bad approaches because as long as a player can make good decisions the difficulty of the course is something they can engage with. The majority of the strategy is just about getting on those greens without taking too many strokes. Except for a few greens that I particularly hated reading, it's hard to bleed more than one stroke on the green.

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