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Pavlov posted:Wait, even if the old guy was a dick, why would she kill him for being the judge at the trial? If it was a real criminal trial, the judge didn't actually decide if the boys were innocent or not, the jury did. The judge would have a say in sentencing, but that's only if they were found guilty to begin with. Otherwise the old dude probably just spent the whole trial looking stern and occasionally saying "sustained" and "overruled". He might have ruled some evidence inadmissable that the IVS disagreed with. Or it could be that the IVS just has hosed-up aim. Maybe the defense attorney is next.
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Jul 1, 2014 15:31
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Pavlov posted:What is an IVS? Invisible Vigilante Stabber
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Jul 1, 2014 15:39
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Hah! And here I was wracking my brain for legal terminology.
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Slashrat posted:Spot on. So what do you think about the latest supreme court ruling?
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Jul 1, 2014 15:41
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That actually brings up a good point. Why is IVS killing people associated with a small town rape trial? I know "super powers don't solve social problems" is a running theme, but stabbing a bunch of high-profile politicians and lawmakers instead actually might accomplish some of that. Hell, approval ratings for the American congress are so low right now, I think you'd find a lot of people who would be totally fine with it.
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Jul 1, 2014 15:52
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Pavlov posted:That actually brings up a good point. Why is IVS killing people associated with a small town rape trial? I know "super powers don't solve social problems" is a running theme, but stabbing a bunch of high-profile politicians and lawmakers instead actually might accomplish some of that. Hell, approval ratings for the American congress are so low right now, I think you'd find a lot of people who would be totally fine with it. I would assume because IVS is local to the area, so they can more readily make their judgement calls.
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Matlock Birthmark posted:I would assume because IVS is local to the area, so they can more readily make their judgement calls.
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Jul 1, 2014 16:15
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Slashrat posted:Given the implied timeframe for all of this, I don't think IVS knew about those parts, and he or she doesn't strike me as the type go all the way out there without the intent to kill. Even were he a decent husband and father, he'd probably be just as dead. If IVS is from around the area, maybe she knows the daughters that are mentioned, and about why they don't go to visit their parents.
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Jul 1, 2014 16:28
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ashweh posted:If IVS is from around the area, maybe she knows the daughters that are mentioned, and about why they don't go to visit their parents. Or she is their daughter. BAM! Irony stab!
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Pavlov posted:That actually brings up a good point. Why is IVS killing people associated with a small town rape trial? I know "super powers don't solve social problems" is a running theme, but stabbing a bunch of high-profile politicians and lawmakers instead actually might accomplish some of that. Hell, approval ratings for the American congress are so low right now, I think you'd find a lot of people who would be totally fine with it. The first scene of this chapter had the victim come to her about the issue. It seems like she wants to be making sure she's killing for someone, rather than just to satisfy her own sense of justice. Was it said that the boys were found innocent? Could be they were found guilty and that judge just gave them a slap on the wrist. (In fact I'd say from the dialogue in that first scene it's implied that that's exactly what happened)
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Jul 1, 2014 17:26
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If this actually is the judge for the rape trial, making him a Literal Wife-Beater and possible child abuser seems a trifle heavy-handed. Eh.
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Jul 1, 2014 17:30
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One of the boys said that that the trial was all over, and the news report of their deaths said charged not convicted, so I think it's safe to assume they were found innocent. Also, I got the impression that IVS was moreso just asking permission to go about killing, because lets be honest, the backlash from the death of those boys is going to come back around to the victim girl eventually, so it'd be rude not to get her OK first.
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Jul 1, 2014 17:55
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Pavlov posted:One of the boys said that that the trial was all over, and the news report of their deaths said charged not convicted, so I think it's safe to assume they were found innocent. Didn't the newspaper say they were acquitted? edit: it was on Fox News http://strongfemaleprotagonist.com/issue-5/page-10-5/
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Jul 1, 2014 17:57
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Im going to laugh my rear end off if she actually got the black eye for non-DV reasons and the IVS just decided to go gently caress-it murder mode
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A big flaming stink posted:Im going to laugh my rear end off if she actually got the black eye for non-DV reasons and the IVS just decided to go gently caress-it murder mode Well it wouldn't particularly matter because, as has been discussed, his domestic violence isn't the motive for the killing here, most likely. His involvement in the rape trial is.
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"Why don't our daughters visit us, Jim?" "Because of all the blood coming out of my throaaaAAAAAAAUUUGH"
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Jul 1, 2014 18:47
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Pavlov posted:If it was a real criminal trial, the judge didn't actually decide if the boys were innocent or not, the jury did. It's too soon to assume the members of the jury aren't on the list.
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Is it possible that this is a different judge, presiding over some other case? He does say it in the present tense, and the trial from the beginning of the chapter reached an acquittal. Though that may be kind of confusing storytelling, but the character also headed on a bus to New York and is probably not in the same town as the start of the chapter.
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Pavlov posted:Wait, even if the old guy was a dick, why would she kill him for being the judge at the trial? If it was a real criminal trial, the judge didn't actually decide if the boys were innocent or not, the jury did. The judge would have a say in sentencing, but that's only if they were found guilty to begin with. Otherwise the old dude probably just spent the whole trial looking stern and occasionally saying "sustained" and "overruled". I love this thread, two opportunities to link to LawComics in two pages.  Page 1 Page 2 Page 3 There is a reason that Appeals exist, and there's a reason that almost every frikkin trial ever ends up before an appellate panel. Edit: ashweh posted:Though that may be kind of confusing storytelling, but the character also headed on a bus to New York and is probably not in the same town as the start of the chapter. Who knows how far away from New York "Chesterton" is, though? If it's Chesterton Indiana, then sure that makes it a long shot. If it's some town in Pennsylvania, or New Jersey, or even in upstate New York? It makes perfect sense. Remember, biiig felonies go to big courts, you wouldn't try a major rape case in the Podunksville city hall, plus a big case like this would also probably be moved to try and find an unbiased jury. More than likely, the trial was held in or around New York, and had been moved from Chesterton. The reason all four were in a car on a dark road is because they were more than likely driving home. The real key question, is how did Miss Invisible manage to track them down to a specific gas station a few minutes after they pulled in? She doesn't have a car, otherwise why would she get on a bus? Did she stow away in their vehicle, and then for some reason wait until they got out before killing them? Did she just hang around that gas station in the off-chance they stopped at it on the way back? How did she know where they would be!? Captain Bravo fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Tenebrais posted:Was it said that the boys were found innocent? Could be they were found guilty and that judge just gave them a slap on the wrist. Criminal cases in the US are either guilty or not guilty, defendants are not "found innocent". It sounds like a dumb spergy nitpick but it's a pretty crucial distinction.
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Flesh Forge posted:Criminal cases in the US are either guilty or not guilty, defendants are not "found innocent". It sounds like a dumb spergy nitpick but it's a pretty crucial distinction. I stand corrected.
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RickoniX posted:edit: it was on Fox News http://strongfemaleprotagonist.com/issue-5/page-10-5/
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Jackard posted:I didn't notice until now, but IVS is shown here getting on a bus for New York. Yeah, and this looks like the south we are in. Not sure when this is taking place.
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It'll be a while before we find out the details, too, since the strip is on hiatus until the 11th so the creators can fulfill Kickstarter stuff.
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Cat Mattress posted:It's too soon to assume the members of the jury aren't on the list. Or that the slasher knows what their doing.
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Unlucky7 posted:Yeah, and this looks like the south we are in. Not sure when this is taking place. Upstate New York can be a lot like the south believe it or not.
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You know, it's really odd that the essay used as narration earlier was the origin of the gods when this character is such a perfect fit for the story of the Furies. Believing that blood could only be repaid with blood, being relentless and insatiable, avenging a wronged woman...the chapter even starts off with an invocation. In the Eumenides, the Furies eventually became part of the justice system; it would be a left turn, but I wonder if this is going to end with the killer being recruited by Pintsize or the government or something.
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Carrasco posted:You know, it's really odd that the essay used as narration earlier was the origin of the gods when this character is such a perfect fit for the story of the Furies. Believing that blood could only be repaid with blood, being relentless and insatiable, avenging a wronged woman...the chapter even starts off with an invocation. honestly it wouldnt even be unprecedented in the comic. alison has already been shown as literally above the law because of the danger she represents
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Allison is above the law because her actions haven't exceeded her potential value yet. It is absolutely certain that the government has found a way to kill her after all of these years. I'm guessing they frantically started researching how to do so as soon as she went to the camp.
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Probably they could have pintsize knock her out like he theoretically could cleaver if cleaver weren't so big and then suffocate her. I mean pintsize probably WOULDN'T but that's one way and it's not even actually hard.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Allison is above the law because her actions haven't exceeded her potential value yet. It is absolutely certain that the government has found a way to kill her after all of these years. I'm guessing they frantically started researching how to do so as soon as she went to the camp. How is something with no basis in what the story has shown "absolutely certain"?
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Fried Chicken posted:How is something with no basis in what the story has shown "absolutely certain"? Well someone killed all those potentials that had the ability to change the world fundamentally...
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Superstring posted:Well someone killed all those potentials that had the ability to change the world fundamentally... None of those had the ability to change the world by being near-invulnrable however.
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reignonyourparade posted:Probably they could have pintsize knock her out like he theoretically could cleaver if cleaver weren't so big and then suffocate her. If you're paranoid about your superheroes, you probably don't set up contingencies involving your superheroes' close friends to counter each other.
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Fried Chicken posted:How is something with no basis in what the story has shown "absolutely certain"? The mere fact of Allison's existence is enough. You know how the Hulk used to always be on the run from the military because of how dangerous he is? Now imagine that the Hulk is incredibly popular and comes from a very liberal, well-educated background with a marked inclination for becoming politically active. Otherwise powerful men in the US government and military probably have frequent nightmares about Allison.
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Serious Frolicking posted:The mere fact of Allison's existence is enough. No, it isn't. You are making up things based in what you think the story should be, not what it is. Show me the page where it says they have a hard counter to her or shut up.
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There isn't a textual example, but it's not unreasonable to infer from the murders of the "world changing" supers that more than a few people would be interested in working out how to kill Allison and they've had years to work something out.
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It's not unreasonable, so it'll make sense if something like that comes up. It's a little premature to say it's "absolutely certain" though. We don't know enough about the military's feelings about Alison or Alison's powers to know for certain. Speculation is fun, but it is just speculation.
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thatbastardken posted:There isn't a textual example, but it's not unreasonable to infer from the murders of the "world changing" supers that more than a few people would be interested in working out how to kill Allison and they've had years to work something out. Yes, it is unreasonable because it isn't supported by the work. You guys are treating this like every other "realistic" treatment of superheroes like Ennis or Moore wrote it, where it comes down to who has more ultra violence up their sleeve and it isn't. With deliberate and clear intent they are breaking from that type of plotting and those tropes.
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