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BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
On Monday night at the APRA Music Awards in Brisbane, I was awarded the Ted Albert Award for my contribution to the music industry. I am deeply honoured that my work has been recognised, including my work as an advocate for musicians’ rights.

I have worked for many years to ensure music creators' rights are safeguarded and that they receive an economic reward when their work is used by others. I educate a lot of young musicians. They want to know what it takes to have a career in the industry. I talk about the length of time that it takes to build the skills to create songs and recordings; about the discipline of rehearsal; management skills to keep bands on the road and the hunger and tenacity they will need through the years.

Then I ask them to consider copyright laws and how they affect musicians.

"Make sure you are paid. You need to know what your rights are, how you will be remunerated for the use of those rights. You need to know how the payments are collected and passed on to you. You need to know what you can do if you find your work has been taken without your permission."
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But sadly, it is impossibly hard for musicians in Australia to follow that last piece of advice. The problem is that their work is being used without permission or payment in the online environment. And this has being going on for far too long.

This is not about bagging the internet. I love that musicians find new audiences and fans online. I love it when people first discover the Go-Betweens online. But the problem is that the discovery of a band on the net may not be made through a licensed service which gives back to the musicians.

In Australia, there is very little that a musician can do to stop illegal streaming and downloading sites from using their work. These illegal sites make massive amounts of money from ads and nothing goes back to the artists who provide the content. Not one cent.

Sites such as the Pirate Bay and Kickass Torrents exploit artists in the worst sense of the word. These illegal sites do not support musicians' careers. They deprive musicians of the right to have their work valued in a free and open market.

The success of these sites is predicated on taking without paying on a massive scale. In fact, that is their business model. They don't create anything. I feel infuriated when I see my work and my friends' work being used in this way by people who don't give a drat.

We need effective copyright laws which give artists and those who invest in them, such as publishers and labels, the practical tools to have their work protected online. Then my advice to young musicians would have some meaning.

This is not a theoretical exercise for some academic paper; this is about working musicians making a living from their talent and hard work. The choice about how a work should be used lies with the creator of the work. Artists' choices should be respected and so it follows that it is up to the artist to decide how they make their music available to fans.

It is time that the discussion focus on how our copyright laws can be improved to support the artist's right to choose how their work will be enjoyed by fans. I wish more people would become advocates for musicians' rights because I want to see their rights protected in practical and meaningful ways so every young musician can build and maintain a career for the long haul.

Lindy Morrison is former drummer with the Go-Betweens, a copyright advocate and social worker with Support Act, the music industry charity.

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a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

what

The Taint Reaper
Sep 4, 2012

by Shine
Michael Bay ruined transformers and Ninja turtles and now he's going to ruin Pirates?!

this shall not stand!

JakeP
Apr 27, 2003

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Lipstick Apathy
thanks op

I am Toni Lippi
Aug 16, 2004
Fight, conquer, or die.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

pirates do steal a lot of money from musicians

but nothing compared to what the record companies steal

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012
same

a shiny rock
Nov 13, 2009

pirates suck, when was the last time they even won the world series

Captain Gordon
Jul 22, 2004

:10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux::10bux:
same, op

Blazing Ownager
Jun 2, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Race Realists posted:

Lindy Morrison is former drummer with the Go-Betweens

As I never loving heard of the Go-Betweens I will now assume this is an emergency ego-repair to blame the lack of album sales on pirates rather than just sucking rear end.

Miltank
Dec 27, 2009

by XyloJW
I would think it was really cool if my music had like 500 seeds on pirate bays and I would be sure to seed whenever I went to bed. gently caress leechers though why do they steal bandwith that's hosed

rezatahs
Jun 9, 2001

by Smythe
stealing is cool

that's why gangster and heist movies are popular

obliviums
Oct 2, 2013

The only exercise I get is poopin'

Do you fat-shaming try-hards really know how good ice cream is?
Musicians (and videographers whatever) host brainwashing awarad shows that convince them they deservce the millions. Otherwise they wouldn't have thise complex, guaranteed. They need to be brought down several pegs.

Dubious
Mar 7, 2006

The Heroes the Vikings Deserve
Lipstick Apathy
brb downloadin some albums lol

ilikedirt
Oct 15, 2004

king of posting

Race Realists posted:

On Monday night at the APRA Music Awards in Brisbane, I was awarded the Ted Albert Award for my contribution to the music industry. I am deeply honoured that my work has been recognised, including my work as an advocate for musicians’ rights.

I have worked for many years to ensure music creators' rights are safeguarded and that they receive an economic reward when their work is used by others. I educate a lot of young musicians. They want to know what it takes to have a career in the industry. I talk about the length of time that it takes to build the skills to create songs and recordings; about the discipline of rehearsal; management skills to keep bands on the road and the hunger and tenacity they will need through the years.

Then I ask them to consider copyright laws and how they affect musicians.

"Make sure you are paid. You need to know what your rights are, how you will be remunerated for the use of those rights. You need to know how the payments are collected and passed on to you. You need to know what you can do if you find your work has been taken without your permission."
Advertisement

But sadly, it is impossibly hard for musicians in Australia to follow that last piece of advice. The problem is that their work is being used without permission or payment in the online environment. And this has being going on for far too long.

This is not about bagging the internet. I love that musicians find new audiences and fans online. I love it when people first discover the Go-Betweens online. But the problem is that the discovery of a band on the net may not be made through a licensed service which gives back to the musicians.

In Australia, there is very little that a musician can do to stop illegal streaming and downloading sites from using their work. These illegal sites make massive amounts of money from ads and nothing goes back to the artists who provide the content. Not one cent.

Sites such as the Pirate Bay and Kickass Torrents exploit artists in the worst sense of the word. These illegal sites do not support musicians' careers. They deprive musicians of the right to have their work valued in a free and open market.

The success of these sites is predicated on taking without paying on a massive scale. In fact, that is their business model. They don't create anything. I feel infuriated when I see my work and my friends' work being used in this way by people who don't give a drat.

We need effective copyright laws which give artists and those who invest in them, such as publishers and labels, the practical tools to have their work protected online. Then my advice to young musicians would have some meaning.

This is not a theoretical exercise for some academic paper; this is about working musicians making a living from their talent and hard work. The choice about how a work should be used lies with the creator of the work. Artists' choices should be respected and so it follows that it is up to the artist to decide how they make their music available to fans.

It is time that the discussion focus on how our copyright laws can be improved to support the artist's right to choose how their work will be enjoyed by fans. I wish more people would become advocates for musicians' rights because I want to see their rights protected in practical and meaningful ways so every young musician can build and maintain a career for the long haul.

Lindy Morrison is former drummer with the Go-Betweens, a copyright advocate and social worker with Support Act, the music industry charity.

same
hosed up if true
im gay

B.H. Facials
May 9, 2011

"Getting teased is part of growing up. It's no big deal. Just tell yourself, 'Sticks and stones may break my bones, but a .44 Magnum will tear that bully a new asshole!'"

Blazing Ownager posted:

As I never loving heard of the Go-Betweens I will now assume this is an emergency ego-repair to blame the lack of album sales on pirates rather than just sucking rear end.

I just looked and combining all The Go-Betweens torrents on The Pirates Bay they have a total of 21 seeders and 6 leechers. They're not losing as much money to pirates as they think.

ANIME IS BLOOD
Sep 4, 2008

by zen death robot
I hope copyright advocates are right and piracy destroys the music and/or movie industries

because lol gently caress them

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business
If you dont upload your own punk ep, then you're not really punk.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
DOWNLOAD M P 3
DESTROY THE MUSIC INDUSTRY
TURN OFF YOUR T V
NOW YOUR MIND IS FREE

TEAYCHES
Jun 23, 2002

Bobby Brown posted:

same
hosed up if true
im gay

same

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!
jesus christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuuqJGLgjXw

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot
does this have anything with my penis being tiny? because my penis is totally not tiny, promise.

Monday_
Feb 18, 2006

Worked-up silent dork without sex ability seeks oblivion and demise.
The Great Twist
Or you could be cool and release your music for free like good bands do.

4outof5
Nov 10, 2003

Leader of the ULT Right.
Grabbing pussy since April 2, 1994

who would want to steal this poo poo?

Manchild King
Oct 22, 2010
Misogynistic, self-absorbed, incredibly unfunny asshole. BLOCK ME or I will steal your face for creepy fetish porn!
"Music industry charity" I laughed pretty hard at that bit.

free Trapt CD
Aug 22, 2013

*~:coffeepal:~*
I've got plenty of java
and Chesterfield Kings

*~:h:~*
man, gently caress, their records were out of print until recently so it's not like they were making money from second-hand sales either. wth

a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:
i'm not reading that op

insaneway
Feb 10, 2014

I think when there's enough will and aggression, there's no shortage of talent either.
-Jurgen Klinsmann-
if i stop stealing music
how am i expected to listen to music

Stalins Moustache
Dec 31, 2012

~~**I'm Italian!**~~
if you download stuff illegally you are supporting communism

Macropiper
Feb 11, 2007

Pillbug
If the entertainment industry asked for eternal copyright and the death penalty for copyright infringement, they would get it.

a misanthrope
Jun 21, 2010

:burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug::burgerpug:

Stalins Moustache posted:

if you download stuff illegally you are supporting communism

good

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

4outof5 posted:

who would want to steal this poo poo?

well I mean who would want to pay for it?

Bargearse
Nov 27, 2006

🛑 Don't get your pen🖊️, son, you won't be 👌 needing that 😌. My 🥡 order's 💁 simple😉, a shitload 💩 of dim sims 🌯🀄. And I want a bucket 🪣 of soya sauce☕😋.
Online piracy is cool and good.

Bad Titty Puker
Nov 3, 2007
Soiled Meat
The Go-Betweens are actually quite nice and good

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

I just use Spotify.

Radical 90s Wizard
Aug 5, 2008

~SS-18 burning bright,
Bathe me in your cleansing light~

Oh it's an old person complaining, suddnly it all makes sense.

Poorleg
Feb 8, 2008
I love the Go-Betweens. I bought their Best of about 15 years ago and it holds up.

First heard them on RAGE a long time ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq1s6FCEoZM

Hey Lindy, I've always wanted to know... why Grant is singing in the video but the recording is Robert?

Poorleg fucked around with this message at 08:16 on Jun 27, 2014

Twitch
Apr 15, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
lol if you aren't musically self-sufficiant

wid
Sep 7, 2005
Living in paradise (only bombed once)

Stalins Moustache posted:

if you download stuff illegally you are supporting communism

no gently caress you if they wanted no piracy they should make the music unpiratable i'm just doing what is objectively in my best interest why should i pay if i can get it for free if i like the music i will tip jay z a satoshi

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Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

wid posted:

no gently caress you if they wanted no piracy they should make the music unpiratable i'm just doing what is objectively in my best interest why should i pay if i can get it for free if i like the music i will tip jay z a satoshi

Becuase jayze will go broke and starve if you do that and encourage other people and then eventually there will be no music in the world at all :(

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